[Fener]

Mockra, on 07 May 2010 - 06:40 PM, said:

Fener, on 07 May 2010 - 06:25 PM, said:

Doesn't really give us that much information.

It does.

Every train has either Korbas or Liosan in it, and the last one has both of them on, with Osseric coming in as well.

11 players, 2 killers 1 symp setup. Korbas posts a lot , Liosan not so much, and they even made a fake attempt at each other.I picked up some things, tried to get Liosan cornered, and 'somehow someway' the NKs and their reasoning points at me.Both revealed, somehow both are considered PI'ed in every ones eyes, and their ONLY defence was that each ones defence is based on each others word.

Plus these three TRIED to speed lynch me based on momentum, when we are on a weekend freeze and we could talk things over instead of rushing. Rushing only benefits scum as every information team inno gets is based on posts on this thread.

There is only ONE team that would benefit from a speed lynch, based on everything that is currently going on at the moment, and these are scum.

Here is the thing that I don't get. Lets say just for giggles that both Korbas and Liosan are paired killers. Then they would have had to with hold their night 2 kill and hope that the roled inno's had already been either lynched or wouldn't reveal. That is a very big gamble. If one of them were a symp then he could have been playing off of the real reveal.

Right now I am feeling all kinds of weird from Osseric. In fact, saying I believe that you are innocent and I believe both Korbas and Liosan then the killers are Osseric and Ampelas. Paired killers and no symp is a possibility in this game.

Any way that is what I am thinking right now.

[Mockra]

Osseric, on 07 May 2010 - 06:52 PM, said:

So you are saying that the Town has no roles at all in this game? Better PM ampleas real quick, tell him to Reveal as the healer. I know I am roleless, and I think anyone that had a role these 2 were claiming would have countered by now. It's clear we got the symp already.

So you are sure Eloth or Bargast were NOT rolled? How so, if I may ask?

[Fener]

Osseric, on 07 May 2010 - 06:48 PM, said:

Well here is how I see it and really unless Liosan and Korbas are on the same team, I think I have it right.

I am guessing that Scum didn't target Korbas last night because they thought our healer would Target the Guard. So they targeted the person they failed to kill before. The 2 scum Knew there was a healer running around because the guard wouldn't have worked on both and their Kill didn't go through. They also knew Korbas' reveal was legit..because he wasn't one of them.

So Liosan plays it tricky, and heals Galain. Korbas Guards Liosan. This was all stated on thread POST LYNCH, PRE NA RESULTS.

So Liosan's heal doesn't go through, and Galain gets NK'd.


As I know I am inno, and I believe the 2 reveals, because we still have no counter reveals, I am PI ing Lio and Korbas. That Leaves Fener Mockra and Amp.

There are 2 scum Left and we had Mockra at L-1 and Fener wouldn't vote. He is now CI in my eyes because he could have ended the game and won it for the scum if he would have hammered.

That Leaves Mockra and Ampleas for the scum.



The only real question is, does Fener/Korbas/Lio think I am scum. That will tell the tale. I am the only person that scum can really target at this point for a lynch. Which I expect them to do. Korbas and Lio basically VPI'd eachother and no one can think Fener is scum. ( unless mockra turns out to be scum, but we can re-evaluate then)

Thats just how I see it.

I see things very much the same way. Right now I am unsure on either Mockra or your own innocents. I also have to keep in mind that one of Korbas and Liosan could be telling the truth and the other not. Which would be Liosan not. Or they are both right and then our best bet at this time might be to lynch Ampelas , and have Korbas guard either you or Mockra. While Liosan heals him. That way if the remaining killer will either be blocked or will only be able to kill me, Osseric/Mockra (which he wouldn't do as that would make him a sure lynch) or Liosan. But we would know for sure who was scum. Unless Korbas and Liosan are both scum in which case they have played this thing beautifully.

[Osseric]

Mockra, on 07 May 2010 - 06:55 PM, said:

Osseric, on 07 May 2010 - 06:52 PM, said:

So you are saying that the Town has no roles at all in this game? Better PM ampleas real quick, tell him to Reveal as the healer. I know I am roleless, and I think anyone that had a role these 2 were claiming would have countered by now. It's clear we got the symp already.

So you are sure Eloth or Bargast were NOT rolled? How so, if I may ask?

Thats not the issue, why would the killers take the chance that they would lose one of their numbers with a reveal... thats for a symp to do. Killers wouldn't take that chance.

[Osseric]

Fener, on 07 May 2010 - 06:59 PM, said:

Osseric, on 07 May 2010 - 06:48 PM, said:

Well here is how I see it and really unless Liosan and Korbas are on the same team, I think I have it right.

I am guessing that Scum didn't target Korbas last night because they thought our healer would Target the Guard. So they targeted the person they failed to kill before. The 2 scum Knew there was a healer running around because the guard wouldn't have worked on both and their Kill didn't go through. They also knew Korbas' reveal was legit..because he wasn't one of them.

So Liosan plays it tricky, and heals Galain. Korbas Guards Liosan. This was all stated on thread POST LYNCH, PRE NA RESULTS.

So Liosan's heal doesn't go through, and Galain gets NK'd.


As I know I am inno, and I believe the 2 reveals, because we still have no counter reveals, I am PI ing Lio and Korbas. That Leaves Fener Mockra and Amp.

There are 2 scum Left and we had Mockra at L-1 and Fener wouldn't vote. He is now CI in my eyes because he could have ended the game and won it for the scum if he would have hammered.

That Leaves Mockra and Ampleas for the scum.



The only real question is, does Fener/Korbas/Lio think I am scum. That will tell the tale. I am the only person that scum can really target at this point for a lynch. Which I expect them to do. Korbas and Lio basically VPI'd eachother and no one can think Fener is scum. ( unless mockra turns out to be scum, but we can re-evaluate then)

Thats just how I see it.

I see things very much the same way. Right now I am unsure on either Mockra or your own innocents. I also have to keep in mind that one of Korbas and Liosan could be telling the truth and the other not. Which would be Liosan not. Or they are both right and then our best bet at this time might be to lynch Ampelas , and have Korbas guard either you or Mockra. While Liosan heals him. That way if the remaining killer will either be blocked or will only be able to kill me, Osseric/Mockra (which he wouldn't do as that would make him a sure lynch) or Liosan. But we would know for sure who was scum. Unless Korbas and Liosan are both scum in which case they have played this thing beautifully.

Heh, we are in the same boat as the last 2 Ri.. except, I am much more sure of you, because of your refusal to hammer Mockra.

and like I said in the opening line. The only Flaw in my theory ( as I know i am inno) is if Korbas and Liosan are on the same team and they just happened to guess correctly that their 2 nk's were the 2 roled inno's. Thats just so slight a possibility, that I am willing to discount it.



The ONLY other thing I can see is a Fener/Mockra pairing...and that might explain why Fener wouldn't hammer. But either way I look at it... Mockra is Scum.

[Fener]

Osseric, on 07 May 2010 - 07:04 PM, said:

Fener, on 07 May 2010 - 06:59 PM, said:

Osseric, on 07 May 2010 - 06:48 PM, said:

Well here is how I see it and really unless Liosan and Korbas are on the same team, I think I have it right.

I am guessing that Scum didn't target Korbas last night because they thought our healer would Target the Guard. So they targeted the person they failed to kill before. The 2 scum Knew there was a healer running around because the guard wouldn't have worked on both and their Kill didn't go through. They also knew Korbas' reveal was legit..because he wasn't one of them.

So Liosan plays it tricky, and heals Galain. Korbas Guards Liosan. This was all stated on thread POST LYNCH, PRE NA RESULTS.

So Liosan's heal doesn't go through, and Galain gets NK'd.


As I know I am inno, and I believe the 2 reveals, because we still have no counter reveals, I am PI ing Lio and Korbas. That Leaves Fener Mockra and Amp.

There are 2 scum Left and we had Mockra at L-1 and Fener wouldn't vote. He is now CI in my eyes because he could have ended the game and won it for the scum if he would have hammered.

That Leaves Mockra and Ampleas for the scum.



The only real question is, does Fener/Korbas/Lio think I am scum. That will tell the tale. I am the only person that scum can really target at this point for a lynch. Which I expect them to do. Korbas and Lio basically VPI'd eachother and no one can think Fener is scum. ( unless mockra turns out to be scum, but we can re-evaluate then)

Thats just how I see it.

I see things very much the same way. Right now I am unsure on either Mockra or your own innocents. I also have to keep in mind that one of Korbas and Liosan could be telling the truth and the other not. Which would be Liosan not. Or they are both right and then our best bet at this time might be to lynch Ampelas , and have Korbas guard either you or Mockra. While Liosan heals him. That way if the remaining killer will either be blocked or will only be able to kill me, Osseric/Mockra (which he wouldn't do as that would make him a sure lynch) or Liosan. But we would know for sure who was scum. Unless Korbas and Liosan are both scum in which case they have played this thing beautifully.

Heh, we are in the same boat as the last 2 Ri.. except, I am much more sure of you, because of your refusal to hammer Mockra.

and like I said in the opening line. The only Flaw in my theory ( as I know i am inno) is if Korbas and Liosan are on the same team and they just happened to guess correctly that their 2 nk's were the 2 roled inno's. Thats just so slight a possibility, that I am willing to discount it.



The ONLY other thing I can see is a Fener/Mockra pairing...and that might explain why Fener wouldn't hammer. But either way I look at it... Mockra is Scum.

Well I know that I am inno, and the reason that I didn't hammer is that I am not scum and don't like to speed lynch.

So then a probable lynch on Ampelas after he has a chance to get on and defend himself of course.

[Mockra]

Osseric, since you're so sure about me being a killer, find me a good enough reason why I wouldn't want to take a revealed guard out of the game with a NK.
You can't. It makes no sense at all.Leaving a revealed guard so late in game? What for? Potentially lose it?

And you really believe what ever Liosan says? Liosan who was No 2 suspect of Korbas, and ALREADY revealed guard? Go back to the posts before I started my case against him. See how Korbas voices suspicion on Liosan and places him next to D'riss as his highest canditates for meat.Easy pickings for veteran guys like you.

You lot should be ashamed. You keep proding the new guy around like a toy thing. D'riss had enough of it, and I HAD enough of it. I will not let you walz in here with the flawless framejob plan and then go to spoilers and say 'Ummm, thanks Korbas, but tough luck, this is Mafia'.

[Osseric]

I will vote Ampleas, but I am a little leery, as I said, it could still be a Fener/Mockra Combo.

So if we do that (lynch Ampleas) , have Korbas guard me or Mockra, and have Liosan heal you?

[Osseric]

Mockra, on 07 May 2010 - 07:21 PM, said:

Osseric, since you're so sure about me being a killer, find me a good enough reason why I wouldn't want to take a revealed guard out of the game with a NK.
You can't. It makes no sense at all.Leaving a revealed guard so late in game? What for? Potentially lose it?

And you really believe what ever Liosan says? Liosan who was No 2 suspect of Korbas, and ALREADY revealed guard? Go back to the posts before I started my case against him. See how Korbas voices suspicion on Liosan and places him next to D'riss as his highest canditates for meat.Easy pickings for veteran guys like you.

You lot should be ashamed. You keep proding the new guy around like a toy thing. D'riss had enough of it, and I HAD enough of it. I will not let you walz in here with the flawless framejob plan and then go to spoilers and say 'Ummm, thanks Korbas, but tough luck, this is Mafia'.

You wouldn't want to take out a revealed guard because you KNEW there was a healer running around and that he would Likely heal the guard.

So who do you think is the killer pair? Me and ampleas? amp and Liosan? me and Liosan?

[Fener]

Osseric, on 07 May 2010 - 07:23 PM, said:

I will vote Ampleas, but I am a little leery, as I said, it could still be a Fener/Mockra Combo.

So if we do that (lynch Ampleas) , have Korbas guard me or Mockra, and have Liosan heal you?

God no. I am a potential scum in your eyes. The healer should always heal the guard. The guard is the inno's most powerful player at the end of the game. Everyone else can die.

Based off of everyone who has revealed telling the truth. Then Liosan should heal Korbas and Korbas should guard either Mockra or you Osseric. Which will either block the night kill or force the killer to kill either Liosan or myself. If either one of you two are the killer then you have to keep the other one alive.

The whole thing unravels if Liosan and Korbas aren't telling the truth.

[Mockra]

Osseric, on 07 May 2010 - 07:25 PM, said:

You wouldn't want to take out a revealed guard because you KNEW there was a healer running around and that he would Likely heal the guard.

So who do you think is the killer pair? Me and ampleas? amp and Liosan? me and Liosan?

And you don't find it quite 'convincing' that Liosan reveals 'healer' right at that spot? Since he feels confident that Korbas will be guarding him tonight, since he practically TOLD everyone in the thread he would do it, with his posts?

How is Liosans reveal true? For all I know Eloth or Bargast could have been a healer, and were taken out of the game very very fast.Just because his reveal is not counter-revealed it suddenly makes it more accurate and truthfull?
Liosan played a gamble and decided to reveal, using a framejob plan, and at the same time taking on his side the most inexperienced player in the game.

Who are the paired killers?
I can only be sure of two things here: Fener is PI'ed for not hammering me, and Liosan is a killer and is lying through his teeth. As far as the others, everyone is guilty for something down the road and everyone has a chance to be a killer as well.

[Osseric]

Well, I believe Korbas, Liosan... because of the no kill on night 2.. I believe him too. Thats some pretty heady play if they held a NK night 2 to set this whole thing up.

I'd be down with that plan.

[Osseric]

Anyway, I am out for lunch. back in a while.

[Mockra]

Osseric really?

Why was D'riss lynched? Was it because Korbas revealed guard? No, this is M&P last time I checked, wasnt it? He was lynched because everyone believed his behaviour was scummy. Not because suddenly a guard stoped paired killers.

And I made a pretty solid case on Liosan. Kept pressure on him, demanded explanations, yet anything that has given to this thread as far as counter-arguements has been POOR at best. Go back and read the posts. They are there.

Suddenly you people tried to speed lynch me, based on Liosans reveal? Why didn't you lynch D'riss stating that Korbas is right? Way to contradict yourselves here, playing on both tables.

One reveal proposes a plan, it DOESNT make sense because the setup is M&P but hey, what the hell, lets lynch the guy.
Now another reveal proposes a plan, and you lot jump the bandwagon without question? What the hell?

This is comedy at its best. Liosan is pulling the strings and you lot are dancing to his tune. Well, I refuse to do so. Even if I end up getting lynched because you people believe his lies, I am claiming a moral victory for team inno in this game.

[Fener]

Now Mockra if Liosan is scum then he will have to kill Korbas at night. Which will mean to the rest of us that we lynch him.

Really I don't see any down side to my plan. One way or another a scum killer will be revealed and lynched.

[Liosan]

Fener, on 07 May 2010 - 05:22 PM, said:

Osseric, on 07 May 2010 - 05:16 PM, said:

Fener, if you are scum... I hate you.


vote Ampleas

it's between him Fener and Mockra for scum imo

That isn't what you say to me when I am scum. Luckily for you I am not scum. But I am also not in a rush to speed lynch Mockra and learn nothing. Calm down laddies.

The real question we should be asking ourselves is why wasn't Korbas targetted? I know that if I was scum then I would have targeted a revealed guard.

I was debating on who to use the heal on for day 2. I figured ultimately that either Korbas was a killer and wouldn't kill himself so doesn't need a heal or is an actual guard but with the killer ultimately believing that Korbas was a good target for a heal that his kill would be wasted. So either way I was fairly sure that Korbas wasn't going to be targeted. I also wanted to know for sure if my heal the night before was the reason that the kill didn't go through or if it was a BP that was the cause of it. Hence why I healed Galain for a second night.

[Liosan]

Mockra, on 07 May 2010 - 05:50 PM, said:

Fener, on 07 May 2010 - 05:41 PM, said:

Really now DKT wasn't about Liosan and Ampelas he was about Korbas. So it would just be your finger waving and Dkt's usual happy demeanor.

Fener, its about reveals taken with a grain of salt. People followed on D'riss, and now due to another convenient 'reveal' they follow Liosan, who is trying to ride his momentum and have innos follow him.

Liosan, who had no pressure at all during the game, who simply skimmed the thread, not looking for killers but looking for the BEST lynch-frame canditade out of us all. Which is me at the moment because I got into a pissing contest with D'riss and because I somehow ended up into Galains suspect list which included other people.

This is a classic framejob, and the only one who's PI'ed in my eyes, at the moment, is Fener for not hammering me just of yet.

Actually I was believing Fener was innocent until he didn't hammer you. Now I don't necessary believe that he is scum and that he just wanted to make an informed decision but it did raise a red flag to me that he wanted everyone to think that he isn't scum for not hammering you. That could be an ally distancing themselves from you.

[Mockra]

Fener, on 07 May 2010 - 08:07 PM, said:

Now Mockra if Liosan is scum then he will have to kill Korbas at night. Which will mean to the rest of us that we lynch him.

Really I don't see any down side to my plan. One way or another a scum killer will be revealed and lynched.

Your plan is sound and holds ground if we make the assumption that Ampelas -IS- one of the killers. If he is not, we lose the game.

Fener, this is DDay, however saddly as it looks like. We lynch wrong, and a NK goes through, its down to 4 with 2 scums as WCS. We lose.

[Liosan]

Mockra, on 07 May 2010 - 06:40 PM, said:

Fener, on 07 May 2010 - 06:25 PM, said:

Doesn't really give us that much information.

It does.

Every train has either Korbas or Liosan in it, and the last one has both of them on, with Osseric coming in as well.

11 players, 2 killers 1 symp setup. Korbas posts a lot , Liosan not so much, and they even made a fake attempt at each other.I picked up some things, tried to get Liosan cornered, and 'somehow someway' the NKs and their reasoning points at me.Both revealed, somehow both are considered PI'ed in every ones eyes, and their ONLY defence was that each ones defence is based on each others word.

Plus these three TRIED to speed lynch me based on momentum, when we are on a weekend freeze and we could talk things over instead of rushing. Rushing only benefits scum as every information team inno gets is based on posts on this thread.

There is only ONE team that would benefit from a speed lynch, based on everything that is currently going on at the moment, and these are scum.

I was not on the train to lynch HP. Double check your facts there buddy.

[Mockra]

Liosan, on 07 May 2010 - 08:27 PM, said:

I was not on the train to lynch HP. Double check your facts there buddy.

I said [either - or].

Am I not speaking English, or are you gonna accuse me for weak reading comprehension here as well?