[D'riss]

Fener, on 07 May 2010 - 01:52 PM, said:

Is your feeling that I am scum because I have agreed with you so many times. Strangely enough that is the primary reason that you would be scum. I wish that I had the time necessary to be involved in a pissing contest. Alas those days are behind me.

Your right Ampelas doesn't have anything on HP which is why I pushed for his lynch. Your also right about Galain, HP was the one who was against drunken posts.

As for voting for you I haven't done it yet as I immediately saw the flaw in Korbas's reveal.

No i feel you could be scum because you (and galain actually) seem like a scum player who is waiting in the wings watching while us inno's tear each other apart.
Your reasoning for each of your suspects is very pedestrian, run of the mill. No real thought into it pretty much whats expected to be said.
Thats the feeling i get.

and then there is a the matter of korbas...PI'ing you....

[D'riss]

im here for another 30 min max....

then im out till monday

[Fener]

D, on 07 May 2010 - 01:57 PM, said:

Fener, on 07 May 2010 - 01:52 PM, said:

Is your feeling that I am scum because I have agreed with you so many times. Strangely enough that is the primary reason that you would be scum. I wish that I had the time necessary to be involved in a pissing contest. Alas those days are behind me.

Your right Ampelas doesn't have anything on HP which is why I pushed for his lynch. Your also right about Galain, HP was the one who was against drunken posts.

As for voting for you I haven't done it yet as I immediately saw the flaw in Korbas's reveal.

No i feel you could be scum because you (and galain actually) seem like a scum player who is waiting in the wings watching while us inno's tear each other apart.
Your reasoning for each of your suspects is very pedestrian, run of the mill. No real thought into it pretty much whats expected to be said.
Thats the feeling i get.

and then there is a the matter of korbas...PI'ing you....

Yes that seems a bit premature to me too. As for the rest. :shrugg:

[Fener]

I have a tendancy to play like a scum player regardless of whether I am or not. There isn't really very much I can do about that. As for the rest time is a major factor in how I am able to post.

[D'riss]

Well im getting ready to leave...any more questions?

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 3 hours 20 minutes +/- remain.

8 players are alive
Ampelas,D'riss,Fener,Galain,Korbas,Liosan,Mockra,Osseric

5 votes to lynch. 4 votes to go to night.

2 votes D'riss (Korbas,Osseric)
1 vote Liosan (Mockra)
1 vote Korbas (D'riss)


Not voted
Ampelas,Fener,Galain,Liosan

[D'riss]

One thing you all MUST get an answer from korbas is.

How the hell, if he is indeed the guard, he could possibly think that the setup would have a guard that can stop the entire team scum AGAIN after it was such an issue the last game?
I would love to hear him answer that because his reasoning for revealing is already looking like a leaky sieve.




edit - repeated the same word AGAIN...i have a problem

This post has been edited by D'riss: 07 May 2010 - 02:18 PM

[D'riss]

Well thats me for the day.
Im outa here.

Now watch the vultures pounce as soon as im gone, i can see you fuckers coming in and out the thread and not posting for the last hour.!!
watever...wait for me to leave....enjoy...

cheers

[Liosan]

Mockra, on 06 May 2010 - 06:06 PM, said:

Sorry for arriving so late, some internet issues here prevented me from getting online - Looks like we got a lynch, but not a killer apparently. Still clearing the scenery from shadow people is a good way to go.

After shower and dinner, gonna go on a reread of what was said and done.



Btw, Liosan... Day ended, we got a lynch - Hood's Path, night ended there was no kill

This is Day 3.

Unless this setup involves Zombies, then you can't vote for already dead people.

I am well aware of that. When I logged in the day hadn't ended and I was on catch up mode. The day ended before I was done when I placed my vote but I didn't know that at the time. That was why I removed my vote.

[Korbas]

D, on 07 May 2010 - 12:33 PM, said:

oh come now... dont be rediculous.

Dont get me wrong....will drop a vote on liosan if need be, because i am uncertain of his innocence just as much as any other inno is.
But i refuse to vote for anyone YOU say we must, how do you have any better info than anyone else?... even if you are who you say you are?
You're now trying to control the game and attempting to lead everyone by the nose.

Only because I smell chicken.

Anyway, why are you getting so bent out of shape about all of this? What's the need for all the swear words directed towards other people? It's just a game man, chill out. Every time somebody has mentioned you as a suspect you've exploded into chain posts about how there's no way you can be scum. Perhaps I'm wrong here, but it seems to me as if you're trying to say there's no chance at all you could be scum, which is just plain ridiculous.

I disappeared because I have class...just like on the other two days. Oh boy, imagine that.

I don't deny there are flaws on my beliefs or in my reveal, but somebody needed to man up and do something, otherwise there was a good chance today would have been game over. Yes, accusing D'riss does alleviate some pressure from myself; I’ll leave it for you guys to decide whether or not I’m fake revealing because I’m scum, like D’riss believes.



We’re rarely if ever going to be 100% positive somebody is scum; risks are going to be necessary. The risk you all have to take is whether or not to trust me, or lynch me in fear that I’m a killer making an attempt to win the game. I am willing to go with the majority vote today, whoever we do end up voting for - even if it turns out being myself. Anyway, I'm off for an hour or so, peace.

[Liosan]

Mockra, on 07 May 2010 - 08:50 AM, said:

Ok, combo breaker for D'riss, since he dominates posting and words flying everywhere and all around the thread- feel free to continue after this

Liosan, on 07 May 2010 - 05:24 AM, said:

First, this screams to me as someone trying to pass themselves off as a potato so people are much more likely to listen to what you say.

Second, the arguement on D'riss is reasonable so there should be pressure on him. Korbas I'm not sure about especially with his reveal. Either he is telling the truth or he wants a healer to protect him so a kill will more likely go through tonight.

Third, to add to my second point, any attempt to blindly direct attention to someone for no other reason than to take pressure away from someone with some serious fith on them tells me Mockra that you are probably a symp.

So the question is who are you symping.... Most likely D'riss.

Vote D'riss

Lets see if Korbas is right.

So arguements on D'riss are reasonable, but Korbas not? Just because he revealed? Woa, since when did we start believing in reveals but not taken them with a grain of salt?

If Korbas is a symp, he could be fake revealing to push a D'riss lynch and hope for a NK. If D'riss CFs inno, then he's cornered but if there's a NK in there its down to 6 people with all 3 scum potentially alive!Also, Liosan, if Korbas gets discredited, then the only one who gets to benefit the most at the moment, is you, so in my book its in your best intrest at the moment to direct all pressure on D'riss and keep Korbas around.Your vote on D'riss, but then your sudden backpedal makes me believe more and more you are into this.


As far as me symping for D'riss? Seriously? Did you even bother reading the pages back? Because it looks to me you simply skimmed a lot of posts there, and inno aren't the ones who do that, or should be doing that, so to speak.
I actually got into a pissing contest with D'riss simply because I strongly believed we cornered Hood's Path way too early instead of giving him some rope and getting more information out of him. And that's symping? Go back and read the freaking posts, we were almost at each others throat going on for a while.

Liosan you're my current No 1 suspect as a killer.
The fact that you did not bother to read the posts back with me and D'riss going at each other for a while reaks of scum.
The fact that you voted on D'riss, but then you suddenly remove your vote on grounds that you fully intend on 'not missing anything important' while you managed to miss the whole D'riss-Mockra pissing contest reaks of scum.
Your vote removal screams of someone who is almost set on a D'riss lynch train but doesn't want to bloody its hands early.


My vote stays until further notice.

You are right Mockra I did skim. Even when I don't skim I don't have any idea who said what 5 minutes after I read it. I suck at this game and not surprisingly this is the longest I've ever lasted in a game of Mafia. I still have no clue what half of the acronyms that you guys use mean even in the context of a conversation. It's like trying to translate a freaking foreign language without a dictinary.

Though one thing I'm most certain of is that you Mockra are scum. I don't know who you are allied with and I don't have a lot of proof nor the time or desire to find it. I'm busy at work. If you all want to lynch me go right ahead. Meat will probably win. I'm planning on a revel right before the day ends so if the Meat haven't won yet then it will hopefully give the remaining innos the ammo they need to pull out the win.

vote Mockra

[Fener]

Liosan with that you might as well reveal now if you have the time. Day ends in about 3 hours.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 1 hour 47 minutes remain.

8 players are alive
Ampelas,D'riss,Fener,Galain,Korbas,Liosan,Mockra,Osseric

5 votes to lynch. 4 votes to go to night.

2 votes D'riss (Korbas,Osseric)
1 vote Liosan (Mockra)
1 vote Korbas (D'riss)
1 vote Mockra (Liosan)


Not voted
Ampelas,Fener,Galain

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 07 May 2010 - 03:52 PM

[Osseric]

If you guys think that D'riss coming on, insulting everyone, stringing together angry post after angry post, and then leaving for the weekend WITH HIS VOTE ON A NON-CONTESTED REVEAL isn't scummy... well you need to have your head examined. How the hell could he leave his vote on Korbas if he is playing for team inno?

1st why would Korbas reveal under no pressure? Certainly there isn't 2 guards in an 11 person, probable 2 killer game... thats overpowered inno. If Korbas was scum, he could have been called out immediately by the real guard. Maybe there was no guard in this game.... but how would Korbas know that. If you are trying to convince me that scum, with no pressure, would fake reveal, with the possibility of a counter...I ain't buying it.

So then D'riss comes on, spouts his mouth, and says in his own words that Korbas is probably inno, but he doesn't like his play, and then leaves a vote on him anyway... and it's possible D-Day today.... W T F. If D'riss really is inno and we are at D-Day (WCS) then he just lost us the game. Nope.. I still ain't buying it. D'riss is pissed because He got fingered with meta, it turned out to be right, he over reacted, I called him on it. Korbas revealed, and even though his guard did nothing he came to the right conclusion for the wrong reasons...and then D'riss gets more pissed off and leaves his vote on Korbas... a VPI in my book as no one has still yet countered.

Bad play D'riss, you might have been fingered for the wrong reasons, and it might not mesh with how your idea of a M&P game should be played out, but they way you reacted to everything screams scum to me.

My vote Stays

[Fener]

Osseric, on 07 May 2010 - 03:49 PM, said:

If you guys think that D'riss coming on, insulting everyone, stringing together angry post after angry post, and then leaving for the weekend WITH HIS VOTE ON A NON-CONTESTED REVEAL isn't scummy... well you need to have your head examined. How the hell could he leave his vote on Korbas if he is playing for team inno?

1st why would Korbas reveal under no pressure? Certainly there isn't 2 guards in an 11 person, probable 2 killer game... thats overpowered inno. If Korbas was scum, he could have been called out immediately by the real guard. Maybe there was no guard in this game.... but how would Korbas know that. If you are trying to convince me that scum, with no pressure, would fake reveal, with the possibility of a counter...I ain't buying it.

So then D'riss comes on, spouts his mouth, and says in his own words that Korbas is probably inno, but he doesn't like his play, and then leaves a vote on him anyway... and it's possible D-Day today.... W T F. If D'riss really is inno and we are at D-Day (WCS) then he just lost us the game. Nope.. I still ain't buying it. D'riss is pissed because He got fingered with meta, it turned out to be right, he over reacted, I called him on it. Korbas revealed, and even though his guard did nothing he came to the right conclusion for the wrong reasons...and then D'riss gets more pissed off and leaves his vote on Korbas... a VPI in my book as no one has still yet countered.

Bad play D'riss, you might have been fingered for the wrong reasons, and it might not mesh with how your idea of a M&P game should be played out, but they way you reacted to everything screams scum to me.

My vote Stays

The problem with Korbas's reveal is that it could be a gamble by a symp to drive a lynch. Come on and reveal that you are a guard after one night of guarding. Your masters are going to know that you didn't guard them so they will be willing to let the gambit play out while the town doesn't know if there is a guard in the game. I am sorry that you can't see the various levels that this could be playing at. The fun thing about meat and potato games is that fake reveals have a good chance of working.

So yes I am thinking about Korbas's reveal and heming and hawing.

[Korbas]

You guys want to know the truth? This is my first game of Mafia, and as a result I didn't think my accusation through thoroughly enough - I didn't anticipate that the killers might have attacked somebody who was protected. I didn't know how having more than one killer worked - I had thought if there were multiple killers than they'd be targeting different targets, not the same target.

I won't say my reveal was for nothing, though; I hope it proves me as innocent and gets a lynch up on a meat. Now, of course I'm not 100% sure on D'riss, he could just be a worse version of HP (who I don't think was even a symp at this point), but I don't think so. Every time pressure has been applied to him, the cracks have started to show.

Osseric stated some very valid reasons as to why D'riss is meat.

[Osseric]

I see the Levels Fener I am putting them down as "not very likely"

Based on Korbas' knowledge of guard mechanics, I am betting that he is a relatively new player. For a new player to go through with a move of the sophistication you are talking about... I don't see it. Ultimately in mafia you have to make a decision. I made mine. Maybe I am gonna get up to SH and see that Korbas is Venge and he played me for a fool.. if so, well played. But I don't think so.

I see what you are saying though. If this is a 1 killer, multiple symp game, a guard reveal would be fairly safe for a symp scum to reveal as. But as I said before, based on Korbas' knowledge of Guard mechanics, I don't see him making that play. I also think this is a multi killer game as thats what this board tends to lean towards.

[Fener]

Osseric, on 07 May 2010 - 04:08 PM, said:

I see the Levels Fener I am putting them down as "not very likely"

Based on Korbas' knowledge of guard mechanics, I am betting that he is a relatively new player. For a new player to go through with a move of the sophistication you are talking about... I don't see it. Ultimately in mafia you have to make a decision. I made mine. Maybe I am gonna get up to SH and see that Korbas is Venge and he played me for a fool.. if so, well played. But I don't think so.

I see what you are saying though. If this is a 1 killer, multiple symp game, a guard reveal would be fairly safe for a symp scum to reveal as. But as I said before, based on Korbas' knowledge of Guard mechanics, I don't see him making that play. I also think this is a multi killer game as thats what this board tends to lean towards.

Well if this is a multi killer game then we have a problem as D'riss only potentially guarded one of the killers.

[Galain]

Sorry about the late appearance. The GF had forgotten to tell me about a pi phi formal yesterday (or I forgot but that's impossible) so I never got to play with the laptop before now. Man, I enjoy the occasional bouts of porn dancing in clubs and all, but there were seriously girls being finger fucked on the dance floor, not to mention the doggy style dry-humping and improbable amounts of breasts popping out.

I felt so old and conservative

D, on 07 May 2010 - 09:28 AM, said:

Galain, on 06 May 2010 - 08:25 PM, said:

However, I agree with previous posters in that D'riss acted very suspiciously yesterday, and I believe I commented on it then too, so even though your guard most likely didn't affect the outcome of the night that certainly does not exonerate D'riss.

Im not too sure what to make of you galain.
Your play is very smooth and i could easily see you as scum.

Now yesterday, your whole gripe with me was that you thought that myself and mockra were faking a fight to get the attention off of HP!!
Now HP came back inno....
so tell me, how are your "comments" and suspicions about myslef yesterday still valid today, with HP not being a Killer?

This statement you made is for me...really dodgy and rather opportunistic.
You are playing the part of the impartial killer perfectly.

You're mixing two different accusations here. My whole gripe with you was not the distraction from HP thing. Parts of it was that, sure, but I also argued that your seeming explosion on thread was suspicious. As one might've noticed with HP, I get very suspicious of people who pick and chose arguments so that the accusations they answer are only part of what was made, if the same at all. That's what you're doing here.

I struggle deciding what to believe here. For one, I do actually believe Korbas' reveal but I do not think that his guard influenced the night action of the killers. Ergo I do not see him targeting D'riss as any sort of argument for D'riss' guilt. I furthermore identify with D'riss' frustration in the face of a case otherwise purely meta-based. I've been at the receiving end of those too and they're incredibly frustrating not to mention the product of what I would describe as bad form. I find D'riss' reaction that of an innocent, but I have a hard time deciding to what extent I am projecting as my reaction to his situation would be much the same I think. I don't think he's freaking out, I think he is -legitimately- angered by what's going on.

At the same time, I've hardly had a high success rate this game. HP turned out innocent after all.

I'll be around for quite some time now and as such I believe I'll wait for Liosan's fabled reveal. As of now I'm thinking Mockra might be a good candidate after all, but with luck this is not d-day and I wont hold a lynch of D'riss if that is how the day ends.

[Fener]

Well fuck with one hour left in the day, and the chances that I won't be able to get on for the end of day.
Korbas/ Osseric if you guys are playing me well done.
Liosan if you are going to reveal something else then now is the time.
D'riss tough spot.


Vote D'riss