[Fener]

Korbas, on 07 May 2010 - 01:51 AM, said:

I thought about guarding for two nights, but the thing is I wasn't sure if we had that much time. Without people voting for D'riss, there's a good chance I would have been a primary candidate for lynching, which would have severly hurt our chances of winning, especially if another inno got killed on night 3 along with my death.

What's done is done. The thing is if you are the reason that there wasn't a NK last night then there wouldn't have been one tonight because the killer would have been guarded. As for a lynch for you. Well yes you were the topic of a couple of conversations but you weren't at the top of a list. More like the middle. D'riss was much more of a candidate for lynching then you were before your reveal.

It is all about patience and knowing when to make your move. Personally I think that you were a little hasty but a lynch of D'riss and Meat CF will prove you right. Which is really all that matters.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 14 hours remain.

8 players are alive
Ampelas,D'riss,Fener,Galain,Korbas,Liosan,Mockra,Osseric

5 votes to lynch. 4 votes to go to night.

2 votes D'riss (Korbas,Osseric)
1 vote Liosan (Mockra)


Not voted
Ampelas,D'riss,Fener,Galain,Liosan

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 07 May 2010 - 01:10 PM

[Path-Shaper]

Off to bed, until tomorrow

[Korbas]

Off to bed. I'll be on in the morning to check up on any developments. Later guys.

[Liosan]

Sorry everyone. Had a hella busy day. I'm going to do a catchup.

[Liosan]

Ampelas, on 06 May 2010 - 08:24 PM, said:

Wow, that's a pretty big reveal there Korbas. I can't really imagine why you would be lying. But I would like to point out that your guard doesn't guarantee D'riss is a killer. There's still the chance of a healer and I think there was mention of a BP in the OP.

I would like to see what D'riss says in his defense before I put down my vote.

Here are the three potatoes that have ablilies:

Potatoes Au Gratin - You are a cheesy potato. Each night you get to throw your melted goodness on a victim of your choosing. This will stop them from performing any possible night action. In other words you are a gaurd. Dont forget to submit a provisional, as nights are 0 hours and all actions happen simultaneously.

Baked Potato - You are a warm and buttery baked potato. Each night you can inject some of your butter (insert sexual innuendo)into a person of your choosing. This will keep any night actions from being performed on that person. In other words, you are a healer. Dont forget to submit a provisional, as nights are 0 hours and all actions happen simultaneously.

Loaded Baked Potato - You are a warm and buttery (with a couple of pieces of bacon from previous conquests, and some sour cream to taste...) baked potato. Each night you can inject some of your butter (insert sexual innuendo) into a person of your choosing. This will keep any night actions from being performed on that person. IN ADDITION - you have a one time bullet proof that you get from eating the bacon. You will not be made aware of this if you lose it. In other words - you are a Healer with a one time BP.Dont forget to submit a provisional, as nights are 0 hours and all actions happen simultaneously.

Potatoes Au Gratin which is what Korbas has reveled to be but there are two other healers and one of those healers has a BP. So Korbas your night action for all you know neutralized a healer and the killer tried to kill the Loaded Baked Potato.

[Liosan]

A few thought:

Mockra, on 06 May 2010 - 10:20 PM, said:

Ok, back before bedtime, and this is getting intresting.
Korbas revealed.. Don't know how helpfull that will be, if his claims are true.

However, no night kill which is good - yet I can't pinpoint the reasons behind it with 100% accuracy.
I believe this is classic M&P game. There was a reason another M&P started just as the previous one ended.It was advertised as such.I have resonable doubts that a single guard can stop a solo killer or paired killers, as it looks like the scenario we currently have.

There are people that are under some pressure (Korbas, D'riss) , a larger group of people (including Galain, Osseric, Ampelas,Fener) who haven't been under any kind of continuous pressure, and then there is one single person who has not been under ANY pressure at all: Liosan.

I don't know why people do not consider everyone as their suspects.If we don't do that, we miss potential points, and we're simply making things easy for people to fly under the radar.

In my point of view I believe we have at least 1 symp in the first group, and I'm leaning towards Korbas. Why? Because he is trying to pull us on a lynch D'riss-Lynch Liosan plan.I don't like agreeing with such plans, they reak of scum.If D'riss CFs as inno, then Liosan will have an easy ride, as people turn on Korbas on a possible D-Day. On the other hand, D'riss has been jumping in shadows left and right, so in my opinion he has less chances of being a symp and more of an inno or a killer.However if he is symping , he's doing a great job because he's not redirecting anything anywhere basically, so we can't directly connect him with someone.

Now, we potentially have a killer in the larger group. Most of these people have been quick to vocal suspicions of others, and some with good grounds, but neither has been under any reasonable pressure so far. If we HAPPEN to have both killers in that group, then we're sitting ducks and we deserve to lose I guess.Well played.I haven't found anything noteworthy in regards to these four, and if I had to take a wild guess I would say one of Galain-Osseric-Ampelas followed slightly behind by Fener.

And that brings me to the final suspect, Liosan. No notable pressure, no real imput to help our case here.Perfect play and smooth ride so far.

The fact that Korbas mentions him, and D'riss not mentioning him, is starting to make me feel more and more suspicious of him.Both have reasons to do so if they are symps, Korbas for reverse psychology reasons and D'riss for obvious reasons.

So, in the light of putting more pressure on someone who has NONE so far, and demand more explanations of him I will

vote Liosan

First, this screams to me as someone trying to pass themselves off as a potato so people are much more likely to listen to what you say.

Second, the arguement on D'riss is reasonable so there should be pressure on him. Korbas I'm not sure about especially with his reveal. Either he is telling the truth or he wants a healer to protect him so a kill will more likely go through tonight.

Third, to add to my second point, any attempt to blindly direct attention to someone for no other reason than to take pressure away from someone with some serious fith on them tells me Mockra that you are probably a symp.

So the question is who are you symping.... Most likely D'riss.

Vote D'riss

Lets see if Korbas is right.

[Liosan]

remove vote

Actually I won't be back on until a few hours before the day ends. I fully intend to stick with my vote but I want to check in before the end of the day to make sure that I don't miss anything important.

[D'riss]

Hood, on 06 May 2010 - 04:49 PM, said:

As proof that I am not his symp.

Remove Vote
Vote Korbas

doh....


Last game I was a symp and voted for my master putting him at L-2 just as you could be doing here.
Did not work for me in the end because of a reveal, but you will have to excuse me for taking this "proof" with a pinch of salt.

[D'riss]

Korbas, on 06 May 2010 - 04:29 PM, said:

How does me not having access to a computer at the time of the lynch make me suspicious? Your other suspicions are founded, granted this is the second vote I've followed somebody on, but that one has yet to make sense to me.

And what's this about ignoring the fact you have a case? Yes, you do have a case, and I'm not going to deny all my actions have been suspicion free. I'm not going to try and argue something that obviously isn't true.

I guess I just have to hope HP is a meat, otherwise a follow up lynch on me tomorrow looks very likely.

Wow...pot calling the kettle black heh?
by your own words i should be voting for you then...?

Korbas, on 06 May 2010 - 05:43 PM, said:

Vote D'riss

I'm going with the idea that the killer was offline when the Barghast lynched happened. Killing Barghast could have been an attempt to just confuse us, but I don't think so. He was attended and the killer took no action.

Edit: forgot to bold D'riss

still catching up

[D'riss]

Mockra, on 06 May 2010 - 06:30 PM, said:

Before I get in the shower and then dinner- Can I get at least someone with me to try and come up with a possible D-Day?

Before the thread starts turning into finger pointing and heated arguements that is.

We started with 11 players.Gonna go ahead with WCS and say Eloth, Bargast and eventually Hood's Path are innocent , the first two because the timeframe they participated was very small although both of them did make questionable moves - and Hood's Path because I'm only intrested in WCS here.


8 players , gut says we started with either a 4 scum combo team or a 3 scum combo team.No kill night, either due to guard NAs or Healer NAs or the Healer with 1 time BP (Loaded Baked Potato).

Now if we're dealing with 4 scum (1 killer 3 symps, 2 killers 2 symps), today is our DDay.We need to land either a killer or a symp, missing will get us to 7 (if we get another night without a kill) or possibly 6 people with scum majority.
If we are dealing with 3 scum team (1 killer 2 symps, 2 killers 1 symp), DDay will be tomorrow ( again this is WCS , if NAs saved people last night, there's no guarantee they will save them tonight as well) if there's a lynch and a NK. If there's a lynch and no NK, DDay moves one day later.


Any thoughts?


EDIT: Grammar, and clarifications

I cant see there being 4 scum.
That would mean day 2 would potentially be Dday... after night two with 4 innos gone thats 3/4 ....game over

Most likely 3 scum with any number of killer/symp combo's

happy now?

[D'riss]

Osseric, on 06 May 2010 - 06:46 PM, said:

Is it me or does D'riss seem to be very Melodramatic in his posts? I picture Jim Carrey when I read anything D'riss writes. A whole lot of Sarcasm, a few smileys, a sprinkle of derps, and some lawwwdy lawds for good measure. To me it seems like he is putting on an act and being very defensive. Right now I am leaning towards D'riss being a killer. I am pretty sure Mockra and D'riss arent on the same team or that would be some crazy good distancing. As for a partner... fener, ampleas, are my next suspects. Followed by maybe Liosan.... but really, we have been concentrating so much on HP that I find it hard to get a read on anyone.

melodramatic?

yea i tend to get melodramatic when people base cases solely on meta, wifom and omgus to try and get me lynched.
Since you cant find anything suspect in what i actually say...you have to resort to attacking my posting times and my "tone"...great play.

I dont know whats up here anymore, maybe its all the high TMDI games being played where people talk for pages and pages on game setup to get by.
But i see all these bad form tactics being used that would have gotten people lynched in no time back in the day.
People have forgotten how to play M&P i think....sad

[D'riss]

Fener, on 06 May 2010 - 07:52 PM, said:

These three are tied for most suspicious, D'riss, Mockra, Ampelas.

Driss - Even though I have agreed with some of his posts he has continually been mixed in every single pissing contest and has helped to fill the thread with WIFOM


Driss - Even though I have agreed with some of his posts he has continually been mixed in every single pissing contest and has helped to fill the thread with WIFOM

Firstly...if i dont get involved in any arguments (pissing contests) to get info/reacions out of people...then who is going to? ....YOU?
No you are to busy keeping your nose clean.

And i was not the one spreading WIFOM you are not going to turn HP's shit and use that one me...i was the one who condmened HP for using a WIFOM argument.
Yes i gave more wifom argument examples, but that was to simply show HP's arguments to be short sighted and wifom.
I am not sure if you are the one coming up with this shit or if you are just falling for the trap of believing it just because other people SAY it.

Fener, on 06 May 2010 - 07:52 PM, said:

Mockra - A very funny feeling that I get when I read his posts

I get this too.

Fener, on 06 May 2010 - 07:52 PM, said:

Ampelas - Another big supplier of a lot of useless WIFOM.

Yea, but he aint got anything on HP

Fener, on 06 May 2010 - 07:52 PM, said:

Then I would toss Galain in but that is in part due to his hatred of drunken posting.

Galain was the one who drunk posted...i think you've lost the plot a bit mate....


Ive had a feeling about you being scum for a while now.
And your reasoning for you "suspects" are very pedestrian.



edit - tags

This post has been edited by D'riss: 07 May 2010 - 07:50 AM

[D'riss]

Korbas, on 06 May 2010 - 07:54 PM, said:

More obvious clarification on why I voted for D'riss:

Unless the killer for whatever reason chose not to kill on night 2, I guarded the correct person (D'riss). Now, there could still be two killers around, but at this point I'm thinking 1 scum and 2 or 3 symps, as we've seen 1 death and 0 deaths. If a healer (baked or loaded baked potato, assuming all the healers haven't been killed) could protect me tonight, in case there are two killers, we can have one scum knocked out and start on the search for the other one.

D'riss was also offline when Barghast was killed. That, coupled with the fact of nothing happening when I guarded him on night 2, makes me 99% sure he is scum.

well....this is rich

Firstly...i doubt there would be a guard in this game if there was only one killer.
Game could end very quickly.

Secondly...you contradicted yourself.
You say i am scum, yet you seem convinced that the game will continue after i am lynched? How can that be?
If i were the lone killer, it would then be game over with my lynch...so why the begging for a healer?
why the talk of at least getting rid of one killer (me) and then look for the other tomorrow? If thats the case then you could not have guarded me so your whole theory is moot.

I dont know if you are a guard or not...but if you are, you really should have waited another night and tried to block me again before revealing.
Because if i get lynched now, i will turn up inno, and Ill give you one guess who will get lynched next korbas!....you!...most probably game over if we have not hit a symp yet.
So if you are inno and a guard you've just fucked up in a big way.

[D'riss]

Osseric, on 06 May 2010 - 07:58 PM, said:

oh man... you realize if there is 2 scum, that you just outed yourself. and likely your guard had no effect, and the healer in fact saved the kill last night I think we were heading for a D'riss lynch anyway. damn.

On what grounds?...WIFOM AND FUCKING META

People....build a case!! what the fuck is this bullshit.
Just Saying it doesnt makes it true...!!!

Amateur hour!!!

Korbas, on 06 May 2010 - 08:00 PM, said:

I'm not really sure on who the other scum would be if we have 2 killers. I have to go back and reread D'riss' posts and see if there's anyone he never talks about/completely ignores, or for any suspicious behavior regarding anyone in general.I can always throw up a guard on Mockra for night 3, but obviously I'm going to wait until there's only a few hours remaining to make a preliminary decision.

At this point one person that I'm almost certain isn't meat is Osseric, as he's pointing things about D'riss.

jesus guys get a room...

this is ridiculous!! Its like watching a paris hilton movie.



edit - changed tense of sentence, it made no sense

This post has been edited by D'riss: 07 May 2010 - 08:08 AM

[D'riss]

Korbas, on 06 May 2010 - 08:03 PM, said:

Osseric, on 06 May 2010 - 07:58 PM, said:

oh man... you realize if there is 2 scum, that you just outed yourself. and likely your guard had no effect, and the healer in fact saved the kill last night

I think we were heading for a D'riss lynch anyway. damn.

Yes, but it's a risk I'm willing to take. From my standpoint it looked like there was a good chance I was going to be a prime candidate for lynching today, so if I do end up going out tonight I'd rather give potatoes a good chance to win. D'riss was already #2 on my list of suspects, so I'm willing to make whatever sacrifices are necessary to take him down before/if I go.

thats a decent reason to fake reveal aswell!!!

come now!!

[D'riss]

Korbas, on 06 May 2010 - 08:34 PM, said:

Galain, on 06 May 2010 - 08:25 PM, said:

.. Man, you should've withheld this at least until you were properly pressured. For now you cannot know whether there's only one killer or the kill was blocked by a healer or a bp and not your guard. To be honest I doubt that it was your guard as that would mean just one killer which sounds unlikely.

However, I agree with previous posters in that D'riss acted very suspiciously yesterday, and I believe I commented on it then too, so even though your guard most likely didn't affect the outcome of the night that certainly does not exonerate D'riss.

The problem at this point though is that we're 8 players, which means that in a 3 scum (2 killers, 1 symp) game, we're on d-day today unless any of the potatoes so far dead was the symp. It's quite possible that there is no symp and 2 killers alone, but I find the extra symp more likely all in all. Ergo, Korbas' claim could simply be an elaborate ploy to ensure the lynch of a non-scum player. It's hardly unheard of.

Man, these games make me paranoid.

We need to get a scum lynched tonight or it's pretty much game over. I'm hoping one of the healers (if there are 2 and both are still alive) protects me tonight, but if not oh well. A successful D'riss lynch that reveals he's scum will put us in a much better position even with my death, as at this point I'm going to say it's either Liosan and Mockra. Granted, I don't have any concrete evidence against either of them at this point, it's just a gut feeling.

I cant in any good faith believe a word this guy is saying.

I propose, we lynch who ever Korbas does NOT want to get lynched...and he can guard me again tonight.
If he is guarding me and i am the killer then there will be no kill again. the healer can heal him as the healer should still be around.

At least there is a chance we can win.
You lynch me, scum win guaranteed.
I can only pray that HP was indeed Korbas' symp.

Korbas if you are inno guard you have more than likely just cost inno's the game.
cheers



edit: change - chance

This post has been edited by D'riss: 07 May 2010 - 08:57 AM

[D'riss]

Osseric, on 06 May 2010 - 10:11 PM, said:

ok, I am out and might not be back before the lynch. Since we need 5 and my vote has been needed both times I am going to

vote D'riss

Because he's over dramatic, over reacting, and a dirty piece of meat.

sorry thats not good enough... try again.

[D'riss]

Mockra, on 06 May 2010 - 10:20 PM, said:

And that brings me to the final suspect, Liosan. No notable pressure, no real imput to help our case here.Perfect play and smooth ride so far.

The fact that Korbas mentions him, and D'riss not mentioning him, is starting to make me feel more and more suspicious of him.Both have reasons to do so if they are symps, Korbas for reverse psychology reasons and D'riss for obvious reasons.

So, in the light of putting more pressure on someone who has NONE so far, and demand more explanations of him I will

vote Liosan

I could get behind a liosan lynch...
But i would rather go for Osseric, or someone else that korbas has been letting suck his tits since his "reveal"...like fener



edit - sine becomes since

This post has been edited by D'riss: 07 May 2010 - 08:21 AM

[D'riss]

Korbas, on 07 May 2010 - 01:51 AM, said:

I thought about guarding for two nights, but the thing is I wasn't sure if we had that much time. Without people voting for D'riss, there's a good chance I would have been a primary candidate for lynching, which would have severly hurt our chances of winning, especially if another inno got killed on night 3 along with my death.

fucking FAIL!!!!