[Path-Shaper]

I've work to do, back in a few.

[Osseric]

no death!!!

[Galain]

Man, I was so sure too..

Well, I've got to go. I've been sitting here way too long as it is.

[Korbas]

Vote D'riss

I'm going with the idea that the killer was offline when the Barghast lynched happened. Killing Barghast could have been an attempt to just confuse us, but I don't think so. He was attended and the killer took no action.

Edit: forgot to bold D'riss

This post has been edited by Korbas: 06 May 2010 - 05:43 PM

[Liosan]

Fener, on 06 May 2010 - 02:29 PM, said:

D, on 06 May 2010 - 02:21 PM, said:

Hood, on 06 May 2010 - 02:13 PM, said:

Good morning. I see we're still talking things over.

I have to rush to a Dr's appointment, so I will not be on for a little while, but the lynch times out at 10:26 my time, which should give me enough time to get back before it expires.

@D'riss, I did definitely consider that someone may just have not changed their action in time, but I think if someone had time to VOTE they had time to change their action. Mockra and Fener were definitely the late-comers, so it's not unheard of that they didn't get a change in (Fener more than Mockra). But if you're going to chastise me for "meta" discussion, then there's really no point in arguing who could have changed their action, huh?

Gotta go now. Be back later.

So you admit to considering it....yet you decided to ignore it?
Thats even worse.

Im not arguing over who could have changed their actions...YOU brought it up..and neglected to mention the other possibilities.
Im not using any meta as an argument...im using your LACK of mentioning other possibilities as an argument.
Wy dont you people get what im saying?

I get what your saying and I think that if we have some smart scum then they made a good move in nking Barghast. Look at how you all are going. This is why people ignore NK and don't talk about why a player was killed that night. The only true way to see any pattern in nk's is after a couple have happened. Till then all it does is create a ton of WIFOM talk. Just like what is happening.

Barghast might have been killed for meta reasons or just because scum is lazy. Seriously at this point in the game, after one nk coming up with a ton of different scenarios just creates WIFOM that scum get to hide behind.

He's right. Until we start eliminating options all there will be is speculation of "which way do we go George? which way do we go?" With all the hands stirring the pot, murkying up the water we will never get a clear picture. Honestly I don't think HP is a killer but I would like to know one way or another. Once that line of reasoning is over we will have something else to focus on. Let's be systematic about eliminating question marks then we have a clearer picture of what is happening.

Vote HP

[Liosan]

Sorry guys. I thought I had some time before the day expired.

remove vote

[Mockra]

Sorry for arriving so late, some internet issues here prevented me from getting online - Looks like we got a lynch, but not a killer apparently. Still clearing the scenery from shadow people is a good way to go.

After shower and dinner, gonna go on a reread of what was said and done.



Btw, Liosan... Day ended, we got a lynch - Hood's Path, night ended there was no kill

This is Day 3.

Unless this setup involves Zombies, then you can't vote for already dead people.

[Fener]

Path-Shaper, on 06 May 2010 - 05:27 PM, said:

........

once again night passes and the potatoes wake. They count their numbers and gasp in shock.

No one died

It is Day 4. 24 hours remain.

8 players are alive
Ampelas,D'riss,Fener,Galain,Korbas,Liosan,Mockra,Osseric

5 votes to lynch. 4 votes to go to night.



Not voted
Ampelas,D'riss,Fener,Galain,Korbas,Liosan,Mockra,Osseric

Now this is a good thing. If the no death is due to a guard please do not reveal. If it was due to a healer please do not reveal.

Thanks

[Fener]

Mockra, on 06 May 2010 - 06:06 PM, said:

Sorry for arriving so late, some internet issues here prevented me from getting online - Looks like we got a lynch, but not a killer apparently. Still clearing the scenery from shadow people is a good way to go.

After shower and dinner, gonna go on a reread of what was said and done.



Btw, Liosan... Day ended, we got a lynch - Hood's Path, night ended there was no kill

This is Day 3.

Unless this setup involves Zombies, then you can't vote for already dead people.

Ohhh what a neat idea. Zombie mafia.

[Path-Shaper]

THERE WILL BE NO ZOMBIE MAFIA. I'm sure we tried that once, anyway.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 4. 23 hours 13 mins remain.

8 players are alive
Ampelas,D'riss,Fener,Galain,Korbas,Liosan,Mockra,Osseric

5 votes to lynch. 4 votes to go to night.

1 vote D'riss (Korbas)

Not voted
Ampelas,D'riss,Fener,Galain,Liosan,Mockra,Osseric

[Mockra]

Before I get in the shower and then dinner- Can I get at least someone with me to try and come up with a possible D-Day?

Before the thread starts turning into finger pointing and heated arguements that is.

We started with 11 players.Gonna go ahead with WCS and say Eloth, Bargast and eventually Hood's Path are innocent , the first two because the timeframe they participated was very small although both of them did make questionable moves - and Hood's Path because I'm only intrested in WCS here.


8 players , gut says we started with either a 4 scum combo team or a 3 scum combo team.No kill night, either due to guard NAs or Healer NAs or the Healer with 1 time BP (Loaded Baked Potato).

Now if we're dealing with 4 scum (1 killer 3 symps, 2 killers 2 symps), today is our DDay.We need to land either a killer or a symp, missing will get us to 7 (if we get another night without a kill) or possibly 6 people with scum majority.
If we are dealing with 3 scum team (1 killer 2 symps, 2 killers 1 symp), DDay will be tomorrow ( again this is WCS , if NAs saved people last night, there's no guarantee they will save them tonight as well) if there's a lynch and a NK. If there's a lynch and no NK, DDay moves one day later.


Any thoughts?


EDIT: Grammar, and clarifications

This post has been edited by Mockra: 06 May 2010 - 06:33 PM

[Osseric]

I don't see us as having 4 scum unless it's 1 Killer 3 Symp... but that makes the guard a really overpowered inno player.. as in if he guards right night one, it's game over. I have been going on the assumption that it's 2 killers 1 symp. Even with that setup, if we haven't hit a symp, with a wrong lynch and a NK today could conceviebly be D-day.

[Osseric]

Is it me or does D'riss seem to be very Melodramatic in his posts? I picture Jim Carrey when I read anything D'riss writes. A whole lot of Sarcasm, a few smileys, a sprinkle of derps, and some lawwwdy lawds for good measure. To me it seems like he is putting on an act and being very defensive. Right now I am leaning towards D'riss being a killer. I am pretty sure Mockra and D'riss arent on the same team or that would be some crazy good distancing. As for a partner... fener, ampleas, are my next suspects. Followed by maybe Liosan.... but really, we have been concentrating so much on HP that I find it hard to get a read on anyone.

D, on 06 May 2010 - 08:59 AM, said:

Wow HP
Not only is your case on myself Meta (bad form), but its also got a huge wallop of WIFOM to boot....and....well... nothing else.
Yet you seem quite sure?
Im thinking to myself...should an inno really be making cases on someone and push lynches based solely on those types of arguments?
I would not. So how are you not questioning yourself HP?
A Wifom/meta case?...well done sir.

Now...Even if you are inno and feel vilified in your stance and you feel a killer was not online etc. etc. You then completely exonerate Korbas?
With seriously shitty reasoning, youve given him the "A OK"?... Just like that?... Not a second glance?
But nooo, D'riss must be looked at HARD.
D'riss...the person who tried to get you lynched yesterday....how convenient.
So now its not only Wifom and meta, its also OMGUS...bloody well done, a trifecta

Never mind that you completely ignore the fact that the lynch was VERY rushed and there is a good chance the killers were not quick enough to even consider sending in an amended PM to PS?
My guess is that this is a 'two killer share a kill' game and that means the killers would have both had to have come to the same conclusion (first discuss it) and then both send in a PM.
Was there enough time?...did they even think about it?
I highly doubt it.
The real heat was only really applied on barghast right after the lynch anyways.
Plus you completely overlook the fact that a few people that where indeed online at the time, didnt even seem to have read the thread and just asked you guys who to vote for *cough* Mockra & fener *cough* because time was so short and they had "RL issues"!!.
Mockra and Fener both admitted they got caught up in RL and Mockra even asked who to vote for!....but lets completely ignore THAT!

HP...im quite convinced however that you are not a killer.
I think that if you are scum...then you are playing classic symp play. And if you are inno you are jumping at shadows and not really thinking things through enough.
Then there is your continuous talk of your own CF coming up inno which stinks to me of someone that really wants to drill that point home. But why?...to what ends?
You are VERY aware of your CF being inno and you REALY want people to pay attention to that fact once you become worm food.
And I dont see why any inno would care to point that out as much as you have.

This post is such a classic!!! especially the underlined part...hahaha

Hood, on 05 May 2010 - 07:46 PM, said:

I once got lynched in a game as a townie and the ENTIRE rest of the game had people trying to debate whether or not I was a member of the town or the scum. The scum theory was so prevalent, the real scum got away with it and won.

I was merely trying to stave that kind of nonsense off, but as usual, my comments get put under an electron microscope.

For the record, I was fully prepared to vote myself off to avoid a stalled lynch if that came to pass.

And the academy goes to...


Anyways....
So, with all this in mind.
Im thinking one or even two of Mockra and fener are the possible killers.
Fener has been very below radar while mockra has been ringin bells for me all game.
The Oh so sharp HP who doesnt miss the slightest thing...completely ignores these two.

And ill throw Korbas in there because you "PI'd" the fucking guy....I mean REALLY?
I am not sure what to make of that as i highly doubt a symp would PI his master.
But then again HP went through great pains to make us very aware of what his CF will be.

Another one is Osseric

Osseric, on 05 May 2010 - 05:34 PM, said:

lol... thanks Killers...

Why in the Hell would they Kill Barghast?

That leads me to believe that he was a predestined kill and that 1 or both of the Killers weren't around at Lynch time.

this makes me think he was well aware that he could not get his kill changed, perhaps a partner was not online.
Perhaps he simply thought about it too late.
But he WAS thinking about it.
It happens allot that a killer will say exaclty what happned behind the scenes as a ploy to look helpfull/innocent and maybe twist it suite his needs.
In this case, make the people who where not online look guilty.


So there it is ...ive caught up

I think we can find the scum in Fener, mockra, Osseric...and perhaps Korbas.
With HP as a possible symp.



IF i had to pick one....i would probably have to go for Mockra.

[Fener]

Osseric I find it strange that you didn't include Galain in your list of suspects. Every one else got a mention.

You also forgot to add Korbas.


Edited to add the last sentence.

This post has been edited by Fener: 06 May 2010 - 07:19 PM

[Osseric]

Well, I had a vote on Korbas yesterday for most of the day, mostly because at the time I was on he was offering no help at all. Then I had to log. He has since stepped up his game. He still could be a killer I suppose as he was one of the 2 people not on during the lynch yesterday ( ya ya ya Meta) but unless HP was a symp, I don't think he is a killer. Too much random crap that could get him in trouble. I have him as possible inno, for the time being.

Galain has really coasted under the guise of being Fixated on HP, then comes back with a "Damn, I was so sure" Don't have a real read on him as all he's really done is fight with HP. Hard to see a scum fixate on someone like that as other than the 4 quick votes which were then dropped, he has been under no pressure. I'd throw him in the category of "unsure but leaning inno"

How about you fener? Who are your top 3 at the moment?

[Fener]

Osseric, on 06 May 2010 - 07:29 PM, said:

Well, I had a vote on Korbas yesterday for most of the day, mostly because at the time I was on he was offering no help at all. Then I had to log. He has since stepped up his game. He still could be a killer I suppose as he was one of the 2 people not on during the lynch yesterday ( ya ya ya Meta) but unless HP was a symp, I don't think he is a killer. Too much random crap that could get him in trouble. I have him as possible inno, for the time being.

Galain has really coasted under the guise of being Fixated on HP, then comes back with a "Damn, I was so sure" Don't have a real read on him as all he's really done is fight with HP. Hard to see a scum fixate on someone like that as other than the 4 quick votes which were then dropped, he has been under no pressure. I'd throw him in the category of "unsure but leaning inno"

How about you fener? Who are your top 3 at the moment?

These three are tied for most suspicious, D'riss, Mockra, Ampelas.

Driss - Even though I have agreed with some of his posts he has continually been mixed in every single pissing contest and has helped to fill the thread with WIFOM

Mockra - A very funny feeling that I get when I read his posts

Ampelas - Another big supplier of a lot of useless WIFOM.


Then I would toss Galain in but that is in part due to his hatred of drunken posting.

[Fener]

I also have a funny feeling about Korbas. But not enough to include him in my top list.


Of course this list isn't set in stone just what I am feeling at this point in time.

[Korbas]

More obvious clarification on why I voted for D'riss:

Unless the killer for whatever reason chose not to kill on night 2, I guarded the correct person (D'riss). Now, there could still be two killers around, but at this point I'm thinking 1 scum and 2 or 3 symps, as we've seen 1 death and 0 deaths. If a healer (baked or loaded baked potato, assuming all the healers haven't been killed) could protect me tonight, in case there are two killers, we can have one scum knocked out and start on the search for the other one.

D'riss was also offline when Barghast was killed. That, coupled with the fact of nothing happening when I guarded him on night 2, makes me 99% sure he is scum.

[Osseric]

Do you agree that if D'riss comes up scum that Mockra is likely not? thats the feeling I get.