[Iccarium]

After reading DoD I am confused about just how old and when the Elder Gods appears.

Olar Ethil says that she is half Imass while Knuckle appears to be Forkrul Assail.

Can anyone breakdown the time frame for the different races and when the gods would have rose in power?

[Aptorian]

There's no concrete information or confirmed dates that we can use to pinpoint origins. The only good one we have is the age of the Ritual(s) of Tellan which occurred 300,000 years before the second gathering in MoI. And the approximate age of the First Empire and its colonies. It lasted from some point around 130,000 years before Burns sleep and, if we are to believe the Cedas mussings, to some point around 70,000 years before BS, where the First Empire has well and truly fallen to pieces.

We know that the Tiste Andii Exodus and the Sundering of Emurhlan took place before this event. Probably tens if not hundreds of thousands of years before this.

The Events of the Prologue of Midnight Tides show what appears to have been the deathblow to the KCCM domination of Wu. How long the KCCM were around, we don't know, but presumably their power kept the EGs from having an influence on Wu.

So, the really, really old elemental guys, like Mael, K'rul, Draconus, Osserc, etc. are probably over half a million years old. For all we know they are a billion years old.

The Thel Akai were supposedly created by Burn half a million to a million years ago, so she's pretty old as well. Or she's very young if you want to believe Raest.

The Errant was a human being, who became a master of the Tiles, who then became a god. So he could be anything between 200,000 to 70,000ish years old. Depending upon when you assume Humans evolved from Imass and the Tile system came into play.

Ardatha was around during the time of the Kallorian Empire so she's at least 130,000 years old.

This post has been edited by Aptorian: 29 April 2010 - 10:06 PM

[Illuyankas]

Heh, I always forget the date given for the series is 1600 years after Burn's Sleep.

The First Empire lasted at least 30,000 years, and probably lasted 50,000 years. Kallor's Empire came into existance less than a hundred years after the Human First Empire at the Fall of the Crippled God, which was 120,000 years ago, and Icarium last visited the First Empire city he, Mappo and the others find in DG ninety thousand years ago. If the Ceda's correct then it all went tits up for Dessimbelackis seventy thousand years ago.

Olar is probably stuck in Imass form after joining the Ritual.

Half a million years is about the right age for the Elders, I feel.

[Defiance]

OVER 9000!

[Aptorian]

Illuyankas, on 29 April 2010 - 10:16 PM, said:

... the Fall of the Crippled God, which was 120,000 years ago.

Really, I thought it was around 129,000 something something years.

Defiance, on 30 April 2010 - 12:59 AM, said:

OVER 9000!

QUOTES OR GTFO!

This post has been edited by Aptorian: 30 April 2010 - 08:02 AM

[lobo the wolfman]

The fall of the CG was 119,739 years before Burns sleep to be precise.

Can you really put a age to the first Elder Gods, l mean weren't they around in one form or another at the start of the Malaz universe? maybe even before if some of then could travel to different universes, and you can't really put an age to that.....

This post has been edited by lobo the wolfman: 30 April 2010 - 08:12 AM

[Iccarium]

lobo the wolfman, on 30 April 2010 - 08:11 AM, said:

The fall of the CG was 119,739 years before Burns sleep to be precise.

Can you really put a age to the first Elder Gods, l mean weren't they around in one form or another at the start of the Malaz universe? maybe even before if some of then could travel to different universes, and you can't really put an age to that.....

Thanks for the great reply Apt.

I guess that is my confusion. As Apt said there must have been some primal elders gods that would be the "oldest".

My confusion is that the Errant, Olar Ethil and Knuckles for example are considered Elder Gods but based on the Errant being Letherii, Olar half Imass and Knuckles Forkrul it must mean they are "young" elder gods?

So who would the "new" gods be? Based on what Knuckles said about creating Oponn that is obviously one but who else? Soliel and Poliel I presume.

[Bauchelain the Evil]

Olar Ethil herself admits that her Imass blood is very thin. She's considered the Daughter of Tiam and she appears in every pantheon of every race. She must, thus, be rather old. As the EG can take various shapes it's probable she took the shape of an Imass and then got stuck in the Ritual.

Knuckles, instead, seems to be a true FA. He's Killy's son, so if Killy is truly the Mother of FA he would be the firsrt of his race and still be old enough to be considered an Elder. However, he's probably not as old as Mael, Osserc, and other elemmental forces.

The Errant is the true problem. We know he was a human who then Ascended as Master of the Tiles(just like Paran) yet he's called an Elder God and decided to boss them around and call a meeting. Still, we don't know how much he can really summon the others EG. Some simply ignored him and Mael answered his call only to threaten him.

[M'ichael]

Bauchelain the Evil, on 30 April 2010 - 06:38 PM, said:

Olar Ethil herself admits that her Imass blood is very thin. She's considered the Daughter of Tiam and she appears in every pantheon of every race. She must, thus, be rather old. As the EG can take various shapes it's probable she took the shape of an Imass and then got stuck in the Ritual.

Knuckles, instead, seems to be a true FA. He's Killy's son, so if Killy is truly the Mother of FA he would be the firsrt of his race and still be old enough to be considered an Elder. However, he's probably not as old as Mael, Osserc, and other elemmental forces.

The Errant is the true problem. We know he was a human who then Ascended as Master of the Tiles(just like Paran) yet he's called an Elder God and decided to boss them around and call a meeting. Still, we don't know how much he can really summon the others EG. Some simply ignored him and Mael answered his call only to threaten him.

Maybe, because on Letheri there was no warren magic, a "new" god would still be an "elder" god, or not?

This post has been edited by M'ichael: 03 May 2010 - 11:36 AM