[D'riss]

Sorrit you are allowed to vote now or are you still on probation?

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 6. 25 hours and 50 minutes remaining
10 Players still alive: Alkend, D'riss, Eloth, Galain, Hood's Path, Karosis, Korbas, Korvalain, Sorrit, Tulas Shorn

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.


Players not voted: Alkend, D'riss, Eloth, Galain, Hood's Path, Karosis, Korbas, Korvalain, Sorrit, Tulas Shorn

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My understanding is that the 'probationary' period has ended, FYI.

-pb

[D'riss]

Path-Shaper, on 26 April 2010 - 05:24 PM, said:

My understanding is that the 'probationary' period has ended, FYI.

-pb

My understanding is that you get to dress up as Path-Shaper when D'rek is not around to put you in your place when nobody is around, I like to dress up like a girl and have tea parties and eat cake and ice cream with Princess Rainbow, my invisible unicorn friend!

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 26 April 2010 - 05:43 PM

[Path-Shaper]

D, on 26 April 2010 - 05:38 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 26 April 2010 - 05:24 PM, said:

My understanding is that the 'probationary' period has ended, FYI.

-pb

My understanding is that you get to dress up as Path-Shaper when D'rek is not around to put you in your place when nobody is around, I like to dress up like a girl and have tea parties and eat cake and ice cream with Princess Rainbow, my invisible unicorn friend!

Well that's very interesting, thank you for sharing that with us, D'riss!

[Korbas]

Humph, that lasted much longer than I expected.

Karatallid seemed like a way to kill someone without giving us any information. He'd pretty much been a non-entity after all.

Sadly, because my previous engagement lasted for as long as it did, I won't be able to post anything substantial until later this afternoon. I'm entertaining a suspicion that might turn into a case once I come back though. I have to do a proper reread, but I remembered something that set off several alarm bells if it turns out to be true.

[Korbas]

Path-Shaper, on 26 April 2010 - 05:43 PM, said:

D, on 26 April 2010 - 05:38 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 26 April 2010 - 05:24 PM, said:

My understanding is that the 'probationary' period has ended, FYI.

-pb

My understanding is that you get to dress up as Path-Shaper when D'rek is not around to put you in your place when nobody is around, I like to dress up like a girl and have tea parties and eat cake and ice cream with Princess Rainbow, my invisible unicorn friend!

Well that's very interesting, thank you for sharing that with us, D'riss!

That certainly sound like something D'riss would do.

[Eloth]

How many people popped in saying they are there and they have to get lost due to something they have to do?

Edit: Spelling

This post has been edited by Eloth: 26 April 2010 - 06:48 PM

[D'riss]

Pretty much most of the people poped in, commented on something, then said they'd be back sooner or later.

The only one missing I think is Galain.

[D'riss]

Korbas, on 26 April 2010 - 06:00 PM, said:

That certainly sound like something D'riss would do.

Yea, most people call me D'riss during the day, and I use the alias 'Tiam' when the sun goes down.

[Sorrit]

Man I keep trying to get this post out and damn work keeps interrupting.

Yes Sorrit I am once again a voting member of society.

Eloth, on 24 April 2010 - 01:38 PM, said:

8 Votes for Spite ( Liosan, Eloth, Korbas, Alkend, D'riss, Gamelon, Karatallid, Hood's Path )

Players not voted: Galain, Karosis, Korvalain, Sorrit, Tulas Shorn

Ok this is the Spite train. In retrospect, It's to bad we didn't pull off eloth's plan. Knowing what we know now about the inherited kill... It would have been a great way to hamstring the scum. Also, it's my belief that scum wouldn't be in the begining stages of his train, middle end towards the back are the most probable spots. Perhaps the hammer, it really did look like spite was going down no matter what, so the hammer isn't a sure inno bet.

Also, about the Spite train, Karosis was the second person on, and then dropped off the train around when D'riss voted as he was in favor of the Eloth plan of action. I just have a hard time believing scum would put forward a plan like Eloth was suggesting. It is interesting and more potentially damning that Karosis was on early, and bailed around crunchtime... but I am not ready to pass judgement on that yet.... So here are my thoughts on the Spite train:

Eloth- as stated before, I doubt he would be scum, he was the 3rd person on the train. And put forth a plan that in retrospect would have likely won us the game. I can't see scum doing this.

Korbas- I keep flip flopping here. I started out the game thinking him as scummy, then the whole Kesso thing, with Kesso accusing him of symping (when Kesso was actually a symp himself) made me think inno. Then he just kinda went quiet...this in andof itself isn't scummy... but bears watching. RL is a bitch and I know it affects posting. As of now I am inclined to think he is inno. Also, he was the 4th person on the train.. one of those tipping point votes. He took it from likely to probably a spite lynch.. not sure if a scum would do this to his partner.

Alkend- I think he is being caught up in the Fray. If you believe gamelon is a symp (which I do) then it's hard to find ways for Alkend to be scum. DKT is a crafty bastard.. but throwing the remaining scum under the bus like that is too ballsy, if we had decided to swap votes to Alkend instead of spite..and alkend still came up scum... well we might PI Gamelon.. but we would still be going after Spite based on Losan's info. I don't think Alkend is scum.

D'riss- erratic all game, but seems to be actively looking for scum. He took the spite train from probably to definately. He has low keyed his game since the start. I am not willing to PI him, but he is low on my scumdar atm.

Hoods Path- Had the Spite lynch been up in the air, I wouldhave given him a free pass... but at the point he hammered there was plenty of time left, and we weren't going to lynch anyone else. It's possible this is a distancing vote. He made a convincing case on Korv ( imo), that I think should be reexamined. Also, he went after gamelon and his reveal very hard, not sure if I see scum going after a possible symp like he went after gamelon. If he is scum he is playing real smooth. I don't have enough of a read on him to feel good about a decision. Gut says inno.

~~~~~~~~~~now people off the train~~~~~~~~~

Galain- Cool as a cucumber. says his piece, then kinda just fades away. Not sure on him at this point. He has said multiple times he thinks I am inno, which makes me feel warm and Fuzzy... but only scum know that for sure I am not sure where I stand on him. I really could go either way. There just isn't a lot to go on here.

Karosis- I think he is inno. The only real damning thing he has done, as I said earlier, is jump on spite and then remove. He did have a good reason for removing though, he wanted to test Eloth's plan. Even after the lynch he has stuck by his guns on that. He also went after gamelon pretty hard. I believe he is inno.

Korvalain- He wasn't on the spite train. Early on in the Liosan reveal he says he will vote.. but then, despite being around, never offers up a vote. This coupled with the HP case, make me think he might be our last Killer.

Sorrit- The picture of innocence. The fact that anyone would think he is scum is probably scum themselves. a model chinese citizen and loyal servant of the empire.

Tulas Shorn- Initially I felt he was scum, but that might have been the fact that he attacked me on multiple occasions. It seemed to me ( obviously biased) that he was going after the easy target. Not real sure on him, possible symp, but I don't feel he is playing the Killer.


Regarding the gamelon train.. well I don't feel there is much to learn from it, though it is suspicious that Korv wasn't on that train as well ( iirc.. if I am wrong I apologize, but I need to finish this post and don't have time to go back and look). Any inno would have no problem lynching him as he definately looked scum, and no scum would have a problem lynching him as its about as easy a distancing move as you can do... all in all, not a whole lot to learn from it imo.


Whew- ok i am done typing.

tl:dr

vote Korvalain

with maybe galain, korbas or tulas as symp...

EDIT: changed "peace" to "piece"

This post has been edited by Sorrit: 26 April 2010 - 07:13 PM

[Korvalain]

I'm back and should be around most of the night.

@Sorrit, I think actually there has already been a "Court Counselor" though whether or not this is the same as a "Counselor" I neither know nor care.

Korbas, on 26 April 2010 - 05:59 PM, said:

Humph, that lasted much longer than I expected.

Karatallid seemed like a way to kill someone without giving us any information. He'd pretty much been a non-entity after all.

Sadly, because my previous engagement lasted for as long as it did, I won't be able to post anything substantial until later this afternoon. I'm entertaining a suspicion that might turn into a case once I come back though. I have to do a proper reread, but I remembered something that set off several alarm bells if it turns out to be true.

Korbas, when was the last time you actually contributed to this game? I'm guessing it was Tuesday. Maybe Wednesday. Properly coasting. If this case doesn't turn up I'm voting for you.

[Korvalain]

Right, Sorrit, you've got at least two things wrong there.

Firstly, I was on the Gamelon train. I was second on it and never changed.

Secondly, how come Karosis and Eloth are allowed to have their opinion that we should have kept Spite alive, but when I post the same thing, it's scummy?

So get your facts straight and then sort out your selective reading. I'm thinking you didn't even read my reply to HP's case, you just read his posts.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 6. 23 hours and 55 minutes remaining
10 Players still alive: Alkend, D'riss, Eloth, Galain, Hood's Path, Karosis, Korbas, Korvalain, Sorrit, Tulas Shorn

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Korvalain ( Sorrit )

Players not voted: Alkend, D'riss, Eloth, Galain, Hood's Path, Karosis, Korbas, Korvalain, Tulas Shorn

[Sorrit]

I'm off for at least an hr. back in a bit.

[Korvalain]

Ignore me then.

[Sorrit]

Sorry that was a x-post I'll delay lunch for you Korv!

Ok, you were on the gamelon train. Like I said I wasn't sure. But it doesn't change the fact that you said this:

Korvalain, on 22 April 2010 - 08:15 PM, said:

Weird thing is though that there are likeley two killers, so I wouldn't have thought guarding one of them would work for both of them.

I want to see what Spite says before I vote him.

and then when it was 5/8 people on a spite lynch, you bail. Stating you want to follow through with Eloth's plan. I guess Karosis did the same thing and went so far as to remove his vote... so maybe I am giving him to much credit. But I don't get more than a symp vibe from him.. which might fit, as he removed his vote AFTER you posted this:

Korvalain, on 23 April 2010 - 07:04 AM, said:

I really don't like the theory that the kills are guarded by one guard - it's just not M&P that one guard can block two killers. It could be possible that the killers witheld their kill last night to frame whoever Liosan guarded (and maybe hitting a BP the night before? although why wouldn't that BP character reveal?) I don't know, it's weird and I haven't decided what I think on that really.

I would like to find out the CF on spite but I think I'd prefer to find out if we can keep blocking the NKs. Sooner or later the scum have to kill people, or they can't win, so there's no way they will withold kills indefinitely if that's what they're planning.

So, we keep blocking Spite, we see if kills go through. If we lynch off Spite today and his CF comes back inno you can almost guarantee that Liosan will get NKed tonight (this will probably happen if Spite turns out to be scum as well), and I think we should try and avoid that. I think we have other inno roles so I say we buy time for them to do their thing.

I'm out to work soon. I won't lay a vote, I'm sure there will be enough people on today to go for the Spite vote if that becomes the best option.

Maybe I am reading biased, but it sure looks like you are stalling here.

You are going to bring up the fact that Eloth had the idea in the first place... but the fact that he came up with it and put it forward says something to me. If you are scum, why put that in the inno's head. Knowing the actual mechanics ( which inno's didn't) It would be a silly thing for scum to put forth. But agreeing with it, to perhaps forstall a partner lynch. Thats more in line with what scum would do, imo.

In retrospect, I need to look closer to Karosis as well. I didn't realize he jumped off the train so late.

[Sorrit]

ok, really off to lunch.

[Korvalain]

If you don't believe me, then fine. Same goes for everyone else. That's the only thing there is against me, so either go with it or don't, but I'm not going to keep repeating myself over it.

I went back to do the second half of my re-read which I didn't have time to do yesterday. I concentrated on Spite because, well obviously why. Between page 12 and the Alkend almost-lynch, there were these two posts.

The first one lists a bunch of people who are not contributing. He lists Sukul, Kaschan, Barghast and Karatallid as low posting. Could be that he's telling his partner/inheritor to up his game a bit and start posting more. Ok, we know all of these are not scum because they are now dead.

Spite, on 22 April 2010 - 08:42 AM, said:

I had a quick look as to my Liosan was targeted for a kill, but I didn't see anything that stood out there. People have mentioned the low posters and maybe that is a good place to start.


Sukul is a non entity in the game at the moment so I am going to discount them.

However there are a few others, Kaschan, Barghast and Karatallid who definitly posted early on to varying amounts and now seem to have dropped away. Barghast hasn't posted for a day or so now and Kaschan is the same.

Karatallid has been on and around a little.

His last post was during everyone voting Omtose close to the lynch with

Quote

Hola people, catching up.

And for some reason after catching up he didn't make any comments, Omtose had just been lynched and it would have been nice to hear something from him but he just seems to have dropped away.

So in an effort to hear more from him.

Vote Karatallid

In the next post he brings up the low posting again, but the interesting thing now is that he mentions Alkend as well... "and sorta Alkend".

Spite, on 22 April 2010 - 03:28 PM, said:

Well I need to go to bed in a minute. 4 or 5 hours till the deadline and we have almost nothing to work with at the moment.
I have just found another problem of our non players as I ponder what to do now. We somehow need to scrap 9 votes together to get a lynch, out of 13 people voting at this point instead of 17. And with what little is out there, I don't think we are going to get those numbers.

Karattalid (and the others, Barghast, Kaschan, Sukuul and sorta Alkend), please if you don't have enough time, then post and say so. Everyone understands that real life can intervene and you can't contribute what you want. If you say so then its fine with everyone we all understand.

What I find to be completely unacceptable though, is posting saying your around and catching up on whats going on, and then not saying anything further. If your pressed for time, say it. But when I see someone do that, especially on a controversial issue such as the Omtose lynch and the whole surrounds, I start to wonder what your hiding.

Anyway, at this point its looking to be a non lynch unless a bunch of people start turning up, we're going to have to try and get out act together tomorrow.

Karatallid and the others, please please please, if do manage to catch up, post your thoughts on whats happened so far.
Remove Vote

This was before where the Alkend lynch started (I made a case based on him low-posting). Spite does not come back on again until after the day has ended. And we know that Alkend started posting more after that. Unfortunately the next time Spite came on he was fighting for his life, so he focused on himself and not on trying to make cases or anything else that seems to be of use.

I think that Spite may have been trying to get his partner/inheritor/whatever you call it to up his game. He started by pointing at other low posters, and when Alkend didn't pick up his game, Spite was forced to drop his name as well.

At the risk of retreading old ground...

vote Alkend

[D'riss]

Korvalain,

If you go back to the pages right after Spite is lynched...

Hood's Path comes up with something like that.
I take it a little bit further by adding the quotes and underlining the parts of the post.


And now you're here claiming this theory as well, but surprisingly you don't mention the most recent posts by Hood's Path, Eloth and Me , who stated why we thought Alkend should be a prime canditade for a lynch. No, you simply make it appear above as if you went ALL the way back trying to pick up leads (and perhaps not make it too blatant)


There's something not right.
Something stinks.

If you want to convince us this theory is plausible, you didn't actually have to say that you went back to do a re-read on Spite. Everything is there, two pages ago, by Hood's Path and me. You could have just said why you believe this theory is more sound than the rest.But you can't actually do that, because that's a giveaway.On the other hand, you can't possibly claim that you didn't read others had Alkend high on their radars as well, after all you were answering to the posts of one of these individuals regularly!

#841 post , Hood's Path builds the case on Alkend but mentions YOU as well.
#842 !!! post, there's you defending yourself against the case Hood's Path made (no mention of Alkend from you here, simply defending yourself not wanting to make the distraction obvious)

You guys keep going back and forth, Hood's Path trying to say why he had you on his scum radar, and you trying to defend against it.


#858 Eloth adds his own observations, quite conviniently Alkends name pops up in there in his radar too.
#859 Looney toon D'riss brings up the posts and quotes connecting Spite and Alkend in the thread.


Korvalain, sir, I believe you are lying.
I don't believe you did any kind of re-read on Spite what so ever.
I believe you simply went through the posts after the Spite lynch, deliberetly looking for one name that would actually come up in everyones radar. You found that person in Alkend. Now all you have to do, is find a few other 'leads' in other posts, and try to ride another Alkend train, based on the fact that enough people will actually follow you.

[Korvalain]

Believe what you want, mate. I know what team I'm on, so I'd rather not spend all my time wasted on responding to allegations that I know are wrong, so I'm just trying to find clues to scum.

I've voted for the person I find most likely to be scum, based on the connection to other scum. It has nothing to do with HP or anyone else.

Like I say, shit or get off the pot. I'm not going to argue with any of you over this.