[Karatallid]

Hmm, well Gam's reveal does point to Spite being more inno. I can't see us having more than two guards though, and it seems unlikely that healers have been lucky twice in a row. However, we need a CF to try and make sense out of this shitstorm of WIFOM. I'll probably regret this, but

Vote Spite

[Gamelon]

I just dont see how in a game of 21 players that ONE guard can completely incapacitate all the killers.
Thats would just be crazy.

That coupled with Liosan ignoring the call to get a lynch on alkend, then with his sudden "revelation" that he has somehow managed to block the entire scum faction from killing with a single guard.
All this while i had guarded him on one of those nights, you will have to excuse me for doubting his integrity.
To my eyes everything points to Alkend being protected by liosan.

Im willing to wait a day and lynch spite, but if we are wrong about spite AND Alkend then i fear we are going to be fucked.

[Gamelon]

how much time is left?


i would actually rahter like to hear what liosan has to say before we lynch spite.
my haste to see a CF be damned!!

[Gamelon]

Also Tulas apparently saw the CF post that got changed.
Would also like confirmation from him first.

[Hood's Path]

Aren't we waiting to see what Tulas has to say too?

I'm going to hold my vote - there are at least 8 hours I think.

[Hood's Path]

Perfect crosspost.

[Gamelon]

well maybe one of us should remove a vote before some symp or something hammers "by mistake"

[D'riss]

Karatallid, on 23 April 2010 - 10:01 AM, said:

Alright D'riss, settle down. It seems unlikely to me that in a game with 21 players, there are only 4 people who have powers. That leaves 17 RI + symps, a ludicrous amount. It makes sense for Liosan to be there, as he had a unique ability. Gam's is just a straight up guard, so not really top dog material like Yang Dajang (great name ), therefore not mentioned.

I am calm.

I don't want to speculate the game anymore. I think we need to get some targets instead of still debating how many killers are and what ifs and what nots.


Liosan says he guarded Spite.Twice.
Spite bitches and moans that it was a mod error (can we even deflect on mods? Thats probably a first, isn't it) and then says 'omfg imbalance hax you can't guard a killer in a 2 killer 21 player senario.
Notice:: Spite makes a weak attempt against his case, and dissapears.
Insert Gamelon.
He reveals and says he guarded Liosan on night 2.
He also says that Liosans guard shouldn't work because HE guarded him (Which is the same arguement Spite used I don't know why you want us to believe you)



For all I care, Liosan can be a main townie role and Spite a main killer role - their actions cancel each other = balanced
Secondary townie role (you) nullifying a main townie role night action (Liosan) = a bunch of clusterfuck bullocks, since if someone like you for example has a hardon for someone else like Liosan for example, then you are helping team scum in a way that you possibly don't know.

[Gamelon]

agh ...ill remove for now.

remove vote

[Gamelon]

D, on 23 April 2010 - 10:29 AM, said:

He also says that Liosans guard shouldn't work because HE guarded him (Which is the same arguement Spite used I don't know why you want us to believe you)



For all I care, Liosan can be a main townie role and Spite a main killer role - their actions cancel each other = balanced
Secondary townie role (you) nullifying a main townie role night action (Liosan) = a bunch of clusterfuck bullocks, since if someone like you for example has a hardon for someone else like Liosan for example, then you are helping team scum in a way that you possibly don't know.

@ bold
sorry i dont understand what you are saying here. My guarding of Liosan has no resemblance to Liosan guarding a PAIRED killer.
My guard WILL work. Liosans....well its never really been seen before that one guard can magicaly take out the entire scum factions ability to kill...not in a game of this size.


as for the rest im not sure what the hell you are trying to say either.



you have some seriously weird ideas on how this game works...and its not just recently its the entire game youve been like this.

[Hood's Path]

Meh, despite his weird posts early on, what D'riss said there makes sense to me.

[Gamelon]

ok read it like 5 tomes....he seems to be saying ,in short, that my role would make the game imbalanced?


the bold part i still dont get what he is on about...

[Karosis]

Despite everything that has come up today, I still dont think lynching Spite is the right move here. If what gamelon is saying is true, then Spite is unlikely to be the killer, since Liosan's guard would not have been the reason he came back to life. If gam's lying and Lio is the reason that there haven't been kills, then I think there's a good chance this is a pass-the-kill-on type of game, in which case lynching Spite is still a bad idea.

I'm pretty sure Lio is telling the truth and Tulas will hopefully be able to confirm. We obviously cant take Tulas 100% at face value, but I think if Lio was lying either Tulas or the guy he's claming to be would have blown the lid on it by now.

As Gam says, him telling the truth doesnt neccessarily mean that Lio is lying, it just means that there's a helluva lot more going at night than what we think there is. Like I said earlier, something about his reveal doesnt sit right, mainly because I can't understand the what happened night two then. However, as a symp his play doesnt really make sense. He's not tried to discredit Lio (in fact he's almost done the opposite). The only thing I can think is he's trying to force us to lynch Spite to get some answers (see above why I think this is a bad idea), but he's been pretty adamant he'd rather lynch Alkend. That's quite a bit of reverse psychology right there and a pretty risky play considering people the idea of keeping Spite alive was still being bounced around. Easier by far to just agree Spite must die and push the train closer to the station.

So that makes it pretty difficult to suggest who we should be lynching instead of Spite. My best guess would be Alkend - if Gam's bluffing we call it, and on the outside possibility that Lio is a symp we get the only person who could possibly be his master.

Out of curiousity Gam & Lio - who did you guys guard night 1?

[Gamelon]

I did not guard night 1...my normal strategy as guard in a m&p game is to use it only closer to end game after one killer is dead, as its usually a bum role where i end up guarding finders or healers doing good work.

But after that i started thinking that their is a chance that we have two separate killers with their own symps, that only know their own masters type of setup.
And I thought it best to start guarding in the chance the kills are in fact separate too.
Since then no night kills...i dunno...*shrugg*

LAst night i guarded karat...because he is a low poster.

edit- ill be guarding him tonight again

This post has been edited by Gamelon: 23 April 2010 - 11:32 AM

[Hood's Path]

Gamelon, on 23 April 2010 - 11:29 AM, said:

I did not guard night 1...my normal strategy as guard in a m&p game is to use it only closer to end game after one killer is dead, as its usually a bum role where i end up guarding finders or healers doing good work.

But after that i started thinking that their is a chance that we have two separate killers with their own symps, that only know their own masters type of setup.
And I thought it best to start guarding in the chance the kills are in fact separate too.
Since then no night kills...i dunno...*shrugg*

LAst two nights i guarded karat...because he is a low poster.

edit- ill be guarding him tonight again

Nice catch with the edit to make it a little ambiguous. I was just about to ask how you guarded him the last two nights if you guarded Lio on night 2...

[Gamelon]

yea i already send through my prov got mixed up

[Eloth]

If Gamelon is scum it in his advantage to keep the other scum alive as long as possible even if that scum is getting guarded, I'm assuming the other main scum who isn't killer will inherit the kill from the killer when he passes along.

Why his reveal, with the amount of modkills and people dead for all he could know all his symps may be dead. Then that leaves the two main scum, keeping the killer around at this point even if he can't kill due to the guard, gives a better chance of scum to win, Yes he may be prepared to lose Spite but it would be in his interest to keep spite around longer while we lynch one or two other possible scum.

By the time Spite is killed Gamelon will be hoping there is enough us gone so that when he gets the kill ability he can cut through the rest of us, and just prays that if there is a symp remaining he doesn't take him out instead.

Or it could be my paranoid mind is doing what it does best.

Also I saw the Liosan CF and he isn't lying. If he was I would have called him on it.

Edit: put losing instead of keeping in original version don't know why

This post has been edited by Eloth: 23 April 2010 - 11:59 AM

[Gamelon]

Wow you have this game all worked out dont you Eloth

Vote Spite
since you have confirmed liosan at least is who PS slipped that he was.


I have to go now...wont/cant be on much this weekend if at all.
good luck fellas



edit - liosan...not eloth pffffft mixed up again....laaawdy laawd

This post has been edited by Gamelon: 23 April 2010 - 12:19 PM

[Eloth]

Well I come up with a thousand scenarios so far.

I even went with Sorrit and Korbas as scum due to kesso edited post and their interpretations lol.

But if that a confession Gamelon I'll happily take it.

[D'riss]

Gamelon, on 23 April 2010 - 10:34 AM, said:

D, on 23 April 2010 - 10:29 AM, said:

He also says that Liosans guard shouldn't work because HE guarded him (Which is the same arguement Spite used I don't know why you want us to believe you)



For all I care, Liosan can be a main townie role and Spite a main killer role - their actions cancel each other = balanced
Secondary townie role (you) nullifying a main townie role night action (Liosan) = a bunch of clusterfuck bullocks, since if someone like you for example has a hardon for someone else like Liosan for example, then you are helping team scum in a way that you possibly don't know.

@ bold
sorry i dont understand what you are saying here. My guarding of Liosan has no resemblance to Liosan guarding a PAIRED killer.
My guard WILL work. Liosans....well its never really been seen before that one guard can magicaly take out the entire scum factions ability to kill...not in a game of this size.


as for the rest im not sure what the hell you are trying to say either.



you have some seriously weird ideas on how this game works...and its not just recently its the entire game youve been like this.

Funny, I thought that joke would eventually die down.Perhaps it will take some time, after all I' guilty of starting it.

Now take a deep breath.

All I am saying is that if Liosan is saying the truth then we have a case of Primary roled townie character countering a primary roled killer character. Sounds possible.
If what you are saying is truth, then a secondary roled townie character counters a primary roled townie character.

If both YOU and Liosan are telling the truth, then its possible that you as well could counter a primary roled killer character.Which sounds a bit too much, if you ask me.

Now, we have to wait and see what Tulas Shorne has to say about this.
He can either back up Liosans statement, or he could discredit it.
Then we need to decide if we want to believe Tulas Shorne or not.
And Spite poped in once, tried to come up with some reasoning behind all this, then took off again.This doesn't help either.


If Tulas Shorne backs up Liosans claim, then we can start working from there and decide what to do. But lynching Alkend will not help us clear their names.The only thing that will help us would be to lynch Spite, and look at the CF.
If Tulas Shorne says Liosan is lying, that will give more credit to your statement.Then we need to decide if we want to swift attention to Liosan and pressure him, or we want to try to find out who Liosan was trying to cover for.


Then we need to decide if we want to trust Tulas Shorne or not.I don't know.There are things that need to be answered though.