[Karosis]

My reasoning is that if we lynch Spite, Liosan is guaranteed to die tonight. No ways scum will let him live, even if Spite is inno, he's too much of a threat to them. The only way he lives is if he gets lucky and manages to guard scum correctly again tonight. Considering we dont have much by way of other suspects at this point, that will be more luck than anything else, so the chances of him getting that right are slim. If we don't lynch Spite, there is at least a chance that Lio will live. Given that we have no idea what the setup looks like, there's no way to say what that chance is, but it's still there.

If Lio does die, we can lynch Spite tomorrow and we wouldnt really have lost anything, we're not sitting in do or die just get, at the end of tomorrow we would be where we would have been anyway. If Lio lives though (and there's no kill obviously) then either Spite is guilty and we put him on ignore while we look for his partner, or the killers are withholding, which they obviously can't do forever. Either of those options are good for us, as they buy us more time to search for scum.

[Gamelon]

Alright i have caught up.

I see that there is quite alot going on and also that allot of people are operating under false information.
Im actually torn here as to what to do but ill reveal now as i feel information is quite relevant at this time.

I am Gao Lan, General of Heavenly Might

I am a guard and i guarded liosan on night 2.
Last night i guarded Karatalid.
What i dont get about liosans story though is how he is a guard AND a healer.
While i just got plain old guard?

I think there is the possibility that liosan is a symp and has used his "inno" CF mistake byt the mods to his advantage and has now is recking mayhen.
Ofcourse he could also be telling the truth as well, and the no kills are a result of something else entirely.

But i had to let you guys know that Liosan was NOT blocking shit oin night 2.
So if liosan is a symp...who is he distracting from with his reveal?

[Gamelon]

Liosan, on 21 April 2010 - 04:03 PM, said:

Ok, Reveal and why:

In the first edition of the lynch/night post by PS regarding last night, I died, with my alt/role listed.

I am Chunyu Qiong, and I am Big Pimpen in Ancient China. As far as I am aware, I have no kind of BP, so I assume I got healed last night, thank you. I do have a power which I will not reveal at this time.

Edit: I r gud spellr.

Also his reveal is the only one thats different to every other name we have seen so far.
Everyone else has a proper title so far like General, inspector, commandant or counselor.

But his is different. Seems to me he did not want to perhaps name himself as one of the symps title?




anyways...like i said earlier.
He could still be telling the truth and just have not known any better, and if thats the case i wouldnot lynch him.
Rather look for the person he was potentially trying to symp if he is a symp.
Like Sorrit?...he was up for lynch at the time no? Or was it Alkend?

no wait yea... was alkend

[Gamelon]

oh....

vote Alkend

[Gamelon]

3 anon users


no one have anything to say?

[Hood's Path]

Wow.

Ok, some thoughts on Gam's reveal.

1) I was wondering why Lio wasn't giving a name.

2) I am also wondering, with no kill on Night 2, why Gamelon switched his guard to someone else. Gam?

3) If Gam is the guard, and was switching his guards, why have there been no kills for 2 nights?

4) Alkend becoming active today seems opportunistic, but he claims RL as the reason.

5) Both Spite and Alkend were online rather close to the end of Day 3, so they both had a chance to submit/confirm kills if they were killers.

I dont know, my first instinct is Liosan's stance makes more sense, and this reveal is Gamelon the symp coming on in attempt to save his leader.

[Gamelon]

Another thing is that even though liosan was online right at the end of day 4

It was alkend at L-1 ...with him needing to vote or get no lynch....he refused (well ignored the call) to vote alkend.
Which is another tick against him being a symp for alkend in my opinion.

[Gamelon]

Hood, on 23 April 2010 - 09:00 AM, said:

Wow.

Ok, some thoughts on Gam's reveal.


2) I am also wondering, with no kill on Night 2, why Gamelon switched his guard to someone else. Gam?

Well with the CF messup i thought he is most likely inno and i KNEW he was not killer at the very least....but have changed my mind since then with what he has done and said.



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[Gamelon]

Hood, on 23 April 2010 - 09:00 AM, said:

I dont know, my first instinct is Liosan's stance makes more sense, and this reveal is Gamelon the symp coming on in attempt to save his leader.

I have no problem lynching Spite if we cant get another lynch.

All i know for a fact is....we are lyching spite because of false information. Now why this info is false could be one of two reasons.
Liosan is a lying symp, trying to get alkend off everyones radar.

Or liosan is telling the truth and simply made a case from false information, thinking he did in fact block a kill.

[Hood's Path]

Gamelon, on 23 April 2010 - 09:06 AM, said:

Another thing is that even though liosan was online right at the end of day 4

It was alkend at L-1 ...with him needing to vote or get no lynch....he refused (well ignored the call) to vote alkend.
Which is another tick against him being a symp for alkend in my opinion.

Sorry, that is incorrect. D'riss switched at the last minute to make it 6 votes. Liosan's on top of that would have only made it L-1. That misinformation is a "tick against" you.

Also, your reveal name is not one of the town inno roles. Guard is a major role in an M&P, so I'm wondering why there's a guard in addition to those two names.

I don't know Gam, your reveal seems fishy.

[Karosis]

Hood, on 23 April 2010 - 09:00 AM, said:

Wow.

Ok, some thoughts on Gam's reveal.

1) I was wondering why Lio wasn't giving a name.

2) I am also wondering, with no kill on Night 2, why Gamelon switched his guard to someone else. Gam?

3) If Gam is the guard, and was switching his guards, why have there been no kills for 2 nights?

4) Alkend becoming active today seems opportunistic, but he claims RL as the reason.

5) Both Spite and Alkend were online rather close to the end of Day 3, so they both had a chance to submit/confirm kills if they were killers.

I dont know, my first instinct is Liosan's stance makes more sense, and this reveal is Gamelon the symp coming on in attempt to save his leader.

I'm wondering the same things. The thing about Lio's reveal is it explains why he pulled a Lazarus better than Gam's does. Granted, we can't say for sure he's telling the truth, but it does seem to fit better.

So the only reason Lio would pull something like this is to distract from Alkend, that I get. But it's equally true that Gam could be doing this to distract from/force our hand with regard to Spite. The one thing I dont understand is him going for Alkend, surely he would either want Liosan lynched to prevent any more guards, or Spite lynched to deny Lio a target that seems to be working...

[Gamelon]

Hood, on 23 April 2010 - 09:16 AM, said:

Gamelon, on 23 April 2010 - 09:06 AM, said:

Another thing is that even though liosan was online right at the end of day 4

It was alkend at L-1 ...with him needing to vote or get no lynch....he refused (well ignored the call) to vote alkend.
Which is another tick against him being a symp for alkend in my opinion.

Sorry, that is incorrect. D'riss switched at the last minute to make it 6 votes. Liosan's on top of that would have only made it L-1. That misinformation is a "tick against" you.

Also, your reveal name is not one of the town inno roles. Guard is a major role in an M&P, so I'm wondering why there's a guard in addition to those two names.

I don't know Gam, your reveal seems fishy.

I read it that driss voted called for Alkend to change it for the lynch.
I suppose i could be wrong

Either way he still ignored the call.

[Gamelon]

Karosis, on 23 April 2010 - 09:17 AM, said:

Hood, on 23 April 2010 - 09:00 AM, said:

Wow.

Ok, some thoughts on Gam's reveal.

1) I was wondering why Lio wasn't giving a name.

2) I am also wondering, with no kill on Night 2, why Gamelon switched his guard to someone else. Gam?

3) If Gam is the guard, and was switching his guards, why have there been no kills for 2 nights?

4) Alkend becoming active today seems opportunistic, but he claims RL as the reason.

5) Both Spite and Alkend were online rather close to the end of Day 3, so they both had a chance to submit/confirm kills if they were killers.

I dont know, my first instinct is Liosan's stance makes more sense, and this reveal is Gamelon the symp coming on in attempt to save his leader.

I'm wondering the same things. The thing about Lio's reveal is it explains why he pulled a Lazarus better than Gam's does. Granted, we can't say for sure he's telling the truth, but it does seem to fit better.

So the only reason Lio would pull something like this is to distract from Alkend, that I get. But it's equally true that Gam could be doing this to distract from/force our hand with regard to Spite. The one thing I dont understand is him going for Alkend, surely he would either want Liosan lynched to prevent any more guards, or Spite lynched to deny Lio a target that seems to be working...

im not going for liosan because he could be telling the truth!

He would not know that his night 2 guard got blocked.
So he could be telling us all that he kows...thinking it to be true except its not.
If he is telling the truth his role is worth keeping around.


alkend was the favourite for a lynch the day before.
His CF will give me/us a better understanding of what what side liosan is in my opinion.

[Hood's Path]

crapshit, I have a shit memory.

Liosan's reveal DOES have a name,and it is also not one of the OP names.

Guard/Healer seems equally unbelievable outside that.

Are you BOTH symps who are shoving the game?

You want us to vote Alkend. Liosan wants us to vote Spite. What if both are innocents and we lynch Spite today and then when he comes up inno we lynch Alkend because that's the natural progression. And then we lose.

Game just got complimicatervated.

[D'riss]

Gamelon, on 23 April 2010 - 08:18 AM, said:

Alright i have caught up.

I see that there is quite alot going on and also that allot of people are operating under false information.
Im actually torn here as to what to do but ill reveal now as i feel information is quite relevant at this time.

I am Gao Lan, General of Heavenly Might

I am a guard and i guarded liosan on night 2.
Last night i guarded Karatalid.
What i dont get about liosans story though is how he is a guard AND a healer.
While i just got plain old guard?

I think there is the possibility that liosan is a symp and has used his "inno" CF mistake byt the mods to his advantage and has now is recking mayhen.
Ofcourse he could also be telling the truth as well, and the no kills are a result of something else entirely.

But i had to let you guys know that Liosan was NOT blocking shit oin night 2.
So if liosan is a symp...who is he distracting from with his reveal?

Tulas Shorne -saw- the pre-edited cf that was the result of that night.
Tulas Shorne didn't comment on it, and diddn't alert the rest of us that Liosan is lying.


When Tulas arrives to the thread, he can clear things up, at least I hope he will.

[Gamelon]

D, on 23 April 2010 - 09:26 AM, said:

Gamelon, on 23 April 2010 - 08:18 AM, said:

Alright i have caught up.

I see that there is quite alot going on and also that allot of people are operating under false information.
Im actually torn here as to what to do but ill reveal now as i feel information is quite relevant at this time.

I am Gao Lan, General of Heavenly Might

I am a guard and i guarded liosan on night 2.
Last night i guarded Karatalid.
What i dont get about liosans story though is how he is a guard AND a healer.
While i just got plain old guard?

I think there is the possibility that liosan is a symp and has used his "inno" CF mistake byt the mods to his advantage and has now is recking mayhen.
Ofcourse he could also be telling the truth as well, and the no kills are a result of something else entirely.

But i had to let you guys know that Liosan was NOT blocking shit oin night 2.
So if liosan is a symp...who is he distracting from with his reveal?

Tulas Shorne -saw- the pre-edited cf that was the result of that night.
Tulas Shorne didn't comment on it, and diddn't alert the rest of us that Liosan is lying.


When Tulas arrives to the thread, he can clear things up, at least I hope he will.

cool

then we await Tulas to see if their was a title in the original CF, and if Liosna omitted it or not.

[Gamelon]

The only thing i know for sure is that Liosan WAS guarded on night 2
So he could not have guarded Spite.

Unless there is yet ANOTHER guard who guarded me

[Hood's Path]

And we trust Tulas because.....?


And for the record, Sorrit noted a few pages back that you also left with about 4 hours left without bothering to vote.

[Karosis]

Hood, on 23 April 2010 - 09:16 AM, said:

Also, your reveal name is not one of the town inno roles. Guard is a major role in an M&P, so I'm wondering why there's a guard in addition to those two names.

This is a very good point - Lio could easily have taken the name he revealed as from the OP, but he did still claim a roled name. And noone countered. Obviously a smart roled player wouldnt rise to a symp's bait like that unless it was absolutely necessary, but we haven't had any sort of counter at this point and Lio is pushing for (and has almost gotten) a lynch.

The tricky thing is that it says the two named innos are the 'primary roles', the way that Lui Bei and Jian Yong are the primary scum roles. We know there are more scum in the form of symps, so there is a slightly possibility there is another roled player or two, but the fact that Gam doesn't have a roled name is telling.

Gam's reveal doesnt sit right with me, but at the same time, neither does the fact that Lio pushed so hard to get Spite's CF today...

I'm still more inclined to believe Lio is telling the truth. The unfortunate thing is we are now in a situation where lynching Spite will at least tell us whether or not Lio is lying, but that could be exactly the outcome Gam wants.

[Gamelon]

D, on 23 April 2010 - 09:26 AM, said:

When Tulas arrives to the thread, he can clear things up, at least I hope he will.

what would be a huge fuck up is if tulas is the other symp/killer....hahaha....then we are screwed