[Eloth]

If the kill is shared between two killers, a guard on one can stop the kill. It has to work that way if there is only one guard in the game.

If both men needed to be guarded then there has to be two guards in the game setup.

[Liosan]

Eloth, on 22 April 2010 - 08:26 PM, said:

Right if you're guard is blocking the kill and you used it on spite then we have a opportunity here.

If spite is one of the killers you only need to keep guarding him and there will be no kill.

With that mod mistake I'm willing to believe you.
Guard Spite and go hunt for the other killer in our lynching attempts.

We take out Spite when we have the other killer dead.

The reason why I suggest this is that LIosan is blocking kills, if we take out Spite then Liosan is going to be attacked again and it going to be luck for him to block the next killer.

He only needs to guard spiite to stop the kills.

Are you suggesting that by blocking one of a pair of killers, I block the kill, or are you suggesting some sort of growth into an empty killer role for the traitors?

[Eloth]

I'm suggesting that if you block one of the killers you block the kill.

[Liosan]

Eloth, on 22 April 2010 - 08:31 PM, said:

If the kill is shared between two killers, a guard on one can stop the kill. It has to work that way if there is only one guard in the game.

If both men needed to be guarded then there has to be two guards in the game setup.

I have played many games where there is 1 guard and a duo of killers and even if one killer is blocked the other one gets the kill through.

You look more and more like a Symp every time you post.

[Eloth]

Look if there is two killers there a few ways it can be set up.

They both can kill seperately, that would leave two kills every night.

Or both killers have to agree on who to kill for the kill to go through.
Some setups I've seen is based on that if one killer is block then the kill doesn't go through.

If your guard saved your life one day three, as you admitted you submitted it close to the line. You were declared dead and then the mod reversed it as if he had re read his everything to be sure and realised his mistake. Your action was on spite. You performed the same action on spite again there was no kill.

That heavily suggests that Spite is one of the killers. And if your guard on him can block a shared kill then why not use that to our advantage.

If my assumption is correct we could guard spite and no one will be killed, we can then hunt for the other killer take him out the game and then remove spite from the game.

If we take out spite now sure we may get a killer but his partner will remove you from the game, as you are a self proclaimed healer/guard. Losing you will be a disadvantage to the town.

Getting the other killer removed while he can't kill because of his guarded partner killer is an advantage that town should not waste.

[Liosan]

Or perhaps there is some mechanic setup we have yet to think of. Perhaps only Liu Bei is the killer, and Jian Yong is a cult leader? The scene last night worries me.

The simple fact is that eliminating the killer as soon as possible is the best possible use of our time. Especially since I want to see his CF.

[Korvalain]

I'm not sure I've ever played in a M/P game where one guard can stop both killers from killing.

The scene was worrying to me as well, but this is like TMDI 2 so I highly doubt that there is recruiting going on.

[Eloth]

Listen Liosan try and suggest from the info we have from the morning scenes what the scum could be doing .

Night 1 there was a kill through
Night 2 you were originallly dead but the mod edited it as he took note of something he missed so no kill.
Night 3 no kill

You said that your action for night 2 and 3 was guard spite.

We have gone with two killers in this game, if they both had kills each night then they are crap scum for not using them.

That why I believe the two killers share the kill and have to agree on who to kill.

The killers should be trying to ensure that they get on long enough to confirm night actions.

My assumptions are based on the idea that they are.

[Eloth]

The reason why I'm assuming two roles that are killers is that there is no mention of cults, so recruitment seem unlikely. And if one killer is taken out there a backup killer.

I have seen a set up like it, ok I admit out of all the games i been in or spectated this was the only time I've seen it.

Edit: spelling

This post has been edited by Eloth: 22 April 2010 - 09:05 PM

[Liosan]

Eloth, on 22 April 2010 - 09:02 PM, said:

Listen Liosan try and suggest from the info we have from the morning scenes what the scum could be doing .

Night 1 there was a kill through
Night 2 you were originallly dead but the mod edited it as he took note of something he missed so no kill.
Night 3 no kill

You said that your action for night 2 and 3 was guard spite.

We have gone with two killers in this game, if they both had kills each night then they are crap scum for not using them.

That why I believe the two killers share the kill and have to agree on who to kill.

The killers should be trying to ensure that they get on long enough to confirm night actions.

My assumptions are based on the idea that they are.

There is no reason not to achieve 50% of our victory conditions with one lynch. Absolutely none. Can you prove there wasn't a heal on me night 2 and this wasn't a ploy by the killers? Can you prove anything at all? No, you are assuming things are how you want them. You don't know how D'rek setup a 21 player game, just like I don't. Unless you are a symp of course, but that dosen't matter at this time.

Spite needs to be lynched. Today. Either we take out one of the big traitors and can look for associations (or lack thereof), or we can realize it is a ploy and I can use my abilities on other people hoping to figure them out as well.

[Eloth]

And you are hoping that there is another healer who will bge using his abilities on you to keep you alive.

Yes I'm taking some big assumptions about set up but I suggested a set up based heavily on the results of the morning reports and how we can use it too our advantage.

[Liosan]

Eloth, on 22 April 2010 - 09:08 PM, said:

And you are hoping that there is another healer who will bge using his abilities on you to keep you alive.

Yes I'm taking some big assumptions about set up but I suggested a set up based heavily on the results of the morning reports and how we can use it too our advantage.

And I think you are a symp attempting to keep your master alive as long as possible, while you try to take the reins and lead the 'search' for the other killers.

[Sorrit]

I'm going to have to agree with Liosan here. it seems really silly to not take out one of the traitors while we can. The addition of the Doctor..does suggest that the traitors are gaining members. Not sure what to make of that. Maybe instead of kills, they can activate symps? ( just spitballin here) doesn't sound likely, but throwin it out there.

[Liosan]

Sorrit, on 22 April 2010 - 09:14 PM, said:

I'm going to have to agree with Liosan here. it seems really silly to not take out one of the traitors while we can. The addition of the Doctor..does suggest that the traitors are gaining members. Not sure what to make of that. Maybe instead of kills, they can activate symps? ( just spitballin here) doesn't sound likely, but throwin it out there.

I am hoping that the doctor is not a member of the court, and so is not one of the 'players', but it may have activated an additional ability for a symp/leader.

Hence my attempt to eliminate the person I believe is a killer, thereby neutering their faction as much as possible.

I am leaving for the day in 15 minutes, my NA is in, so if you guys want to lynch Spite go right ahead, if you would rather wait until tomorrow and talk, I am fine with that as well.

[Eloth]

Liosan I see a possible way to win this game based on what has happened so far, I'm trying to neutralize team scum abilities and maximise ours.

What I see happening is that if we do lynch spite sure we get a killer as all evidence does suggest he is. But you are playing on the assumption that there is an other healer.

Ok there a good possibility that we are both wrong and that my plan is the worst way to go.

If you want spite CF but I think it a tad short term.

Vote Spite

Cause I not going to waste my time arguing what I think is a good possibility for us to exploit if all you guys want is spite's blood.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 5. 26 hours and 9 minutes remaining
15 Players still alive: Alkend, D'riss, Eloth, Galain, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Karosis, Kaschan, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Sorrit, Spite, Tulas Shorn

8 votes to lynch, 8 votes to go to night.

3 Votes for Spite ( Liosan, Karosis, Eloth )

Players not voted: Alkend, D'riss, Galain, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Kaschan, Korbas, Korvalain, Sorrit, Spite, Tulas Shorn

[D'riss]

FFS either I'm brainfucked, or you guys are way too advanced in your thinking here.

What doctor are both of you talking about?
The physicial in the CF?

[Eloth]

Yeah some guys are getting scared with the idea that it means the scum are one killer and one recruiter. Or something of the sort.

[D'riss]

Quote

Liu Bei had just awoken from his dream. Ji Ping, the physician, leaned forward. "So you intend to murder Lord Yuan?" he asked. Liu Bei was too stunned to reply. "Calm yourself, " Ji Ping went on. "Though a mere physician myself, I have never forgotten how much I owe the Han. Day after day I have listened to your deep-drawn sighs but hesitated to question you. Now, by chance, the words you spoke in your dreams have disclosed the actual situation. Please do not keep the truth from me. If there is any way I can help, even if it means clan-wide extermination, I shall do it without regret." Than, as a pledge, Ji Ping bit off the top of his finger.

OMG, thats the prisoner guy that the guards were beating up in the Opening Scene., a pretty much verified scum, and probably locked up securely somewhere inside the Prime Ministers palace, where we are currently in.

Unless scum have abilities to free this guy, and disguise him as someone else, and not notice that their prisoner has escaped.

I can bring a statistical chart of probabilities from something like that occuring to a pretty standard game, but I dont believe you guys will appreciate it (While I'm sure folks in SH would laugh their asses off)

[D'riss]

Path-Shaper, on 19 April 2010 - 02:51 AM, said:

It was two weeks after the beginning of the fifth year of Jian An (A.D. 200). Yuan Shao invited all eminent court officials to a banquet. Liu Bei and the rest felt compelled to attend so as not to arouse Yuan's suspicions. The banquet was laid in Yuan's private apartment. After several rounds of win, Yuan said, "Our feast wants entertainment. We do have one man, though, who may sber you all up." At Yuan's command twenty jailers dragged in Ji Ping, secured in movable stocks. Yuan ordered the jailers to begin alternately beating and reviving the prisoner.

"You officials," Yuan cried, "may not be aware that this fellow is associated with an evil faction that tried to rebel against the court and kill me. But today Heaven has ruined him, and the rest will soon follow. This court will be sequestered here in my palace and investigated by my heads of staff until the conspirators are found and surrendered to me. Any man attempting to flee the premises will be cut down." With a gesture, Yuan Shao turned and left. Elite soldiers began taking positions outside every door and window of the palace, while the chief steward began barring every available exit.

Unless there was a misunderstanding in the CF, this guy is the same guy.