[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 17 hours and 26 minutes remaining

17 Players still alive: Alkend, Barghast, D'riss, Eloth, Galain, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Karosis, Kaschan, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Sorrit, Spite, Sukul Ankhadu, Tulas Shorn

9 votes to lynch, 9 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Sorrit ( Tulas Shorn )

Players not voted: Alkend, Barghast, D'riss, Eloth, Galain, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Karosis, Kaschan, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Sorrit, Spite, Sukul Ankhadu

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I'm leaving all timelimit modkill business to D'rek.

-pb

[Alkend]

back
all the semantics make my head hurt, considering we're discussing something that only 3 (or 4) people saw, and basing the game plan around that.

here's a wild curveball for the rest of you: what if D'rek made the symps paired? they wouldn't be able to reveal, since D'rek out lined the inno power roles either in the OP, or in the sign up thread, but they would be able to play more effectively.

[Alkend]

having thrown that out there, ima go crawl into my bed. 2 more days.......

[Hood's Path]

Sorry, my re-read was interrupted and I'll get back to it. But I was up to page 6, which is where the whole Kesso thing went down. I retract my earlier statement, Korbas looks like he was just reacting to it in a normal fashion, whereas Sorrit seemed to jump on it (maybe due to the fact that he was already voting for Kesso because of the Spite/Sorrit name mixup - he saw possible further evidence for what he already suspected about Kesso.) Neither strike me as terribly suspicious tbh.

So....yeah, I don't know what can really be gleaned from all that in the end. So I'll get back to my reread eventually and look for other suspect behavior.

I gotta disappear for a few more hours though - it's been a rotten day here.

[Galain]

I've caught up.

Not going to lay down a vote because I'll be around before day times out tomorrow, but nothing seems overly suspicious to me at this point anyways.

I feel like shit and am going to bed.

[Korbas]

No opinions on my theory?

screw you guys. I'm going to bed.

[Karosis]

I has happened before that symps only know one of their masters. I don't think i've seen paired symps, at least not recently enough that an example comes to mind. It might explain why Kesso would deflect away from Omtose, but I think we're getting too caught up in the whole edited post thing. Not even the people who saw it can accurately recall what it said, and we're using a fair amount of meta play and speculation to try figure out what PB might have said and why he would have deleted it.

[Korvalain]

Not much to go on right now. Like others have said, the fact that Sorrit was so quick to jump on someone who came back as (probably) inno makes it unlikely he is a killer. Maybe a symp.

Korbas seems very self-obsessed but that in itself is not scummy, otherwise most people would be scum

Tulas is very keen on lynching Sorrit, based off what I think is patchy reasoning.


"17 Players still alive: Alkend, Barghast, D'riss, Eloth, Galain, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Karosis, Kaschan, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Sorrit, Spite, Sukul Ankhadu, Tulas Shorn"

I have no real recollection of anything the above have added to the game. Some of that might be due to the K names, but I think more likely that they are either low-posting to the detriment of the game, or there is a killer in there cruising and not having to get involved.

I don't think there is enough to go on to lay a vote now, but will be back on before day times out.

edit to add- of course I know that some of those people up there have posted recently, but they haven't really added anything to the discussion that I can think of.

This post has been edited by Korvalain: 22 April 2010 - 06:38 AM

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 12 hours and 57 minutes remaining

17 Players still alive: Alkend, Barghast, D'riss, Eloth, Galain, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Karosis, Kaschan, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Sorrit, Spite, Sukul Ankhadu, Tulas Shorn

9 votes to lynch, 9 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Sorrit ( Tulas Shorn )

Players not voted: Alkend, Barghast, D'riss, Eloth, Galain, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Karosis, Kaschan, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Sorrit, Spite, Sukul Ankhadu

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Goin to bed.

-pb

[Gamelon]

Korbas, on 21 April 2010 - 06:29 PM, said:

Right, I am off for a while. I'm going to take a shower, followed by something along the line of a ten minute walk to the library. I'm going to stay there for a good number of hours finishing a paper. I'll be back later tonight, time depending on whether I buy dinner or make it myself, and I'll check the thread then. In addition, my girlfriend will be dropping by at approximately 9pm and will most likely bring a movie for us to watch. We might have sex. Afterward I will probably fall asleep and sleep to around 9 am tomorrow morning at which time I'll make breakfast and check the thread before I once again leave the apartment to do my daily stuff.

you dont shower or anything?....terrible!
you filthy bastard

[Gamelon]

D, on 21 April 2010 - 07:16 PM, said:

Eloth, on 21 April 2010 - 06:12 PM, said:

@ D'riss

Yeah I'm talking about Kesso post which he edited.

Now the reason why I say you agree with Sorrit is that you, Sorrit and Korbas read that post.

Sorrit went and said that it implicated Omtose.

Korbas said that Kesso accused him of being a symp.

And you said you read it but you will not reveal what you read.

But you did vote for Omtose.

Which in my mind backs sorrit version.

Cause if you think that Sorrit was lying through his team or you knew that his interpretation of Kesso edited post was false you should have voted for him and not Omtose.

This is a case of if you think a guy is scum you stick a vote on him and keep it on him, you only vote for someone else if you are needed to hammer and the lynch is needed.

You still had time to debate the consequence of the differeing accounts of what Kesso said.

Now can you shed a light on what Kesso did say or not D'riss?

Edit: spelling

Wait, what?
Someone who wanted us to believe that he hasn't read the post, but was caught in his lie and now says he has read the post now asks ME to shed a light to what Kesso said? Sorry, Eloth. It seems you are simply baiting me into saying something here, so you can then later stand up all high and mighty and proclaim that you know what is going on.I won't bite, sorry.

The reasons why I haven't commented on Kessos post, are my own. I am not going to explain, unless I find it absolutely neccessery.

I already said I had other people in my radar. I only voted because we were getting close to night time , and another day passing without any information would be disaster. I fail to understand how me voting for who I believe to be scum would actually HELP so late in the day. It could be very well viewed as symping, as you can actually point out quite conviniently later on.

So you are trying to swift blame on me because I voted Omtose, while you are trying to represent yourself as neutral as possible, distancing from Sorrit and Korbas in case we lynch either of those and find them as scum. Not to mention you didn't vote at all.


Liosan called your cards, Eloth.
I don't know why you are trying to swift the blame or build a case against me.
Like you said, isn't that symping?


PS: Afk cooking andf Champions League has already started.

The bold part makes me feel like driss knows better than anyone else what kessoh's post said.
SO...D'riss not saying what it said means what kessoh said was damaging to D'riss.

[Gamelon]

Korbas, on 22 April 2010 - 01:37 AM, said:

Right. I've been thinking a lot about this -partially because it's a lot more interesting than my books- as it has been bugging me a great deal. I think we all agree that Kessobahn most probably was a symp for him to be able to make a game breaking pm-in-thread post. In that regard neither Sorrit's, nor my own memory of his post really makes sense. Omtose turned up innocent after all.

Now, Kessobahn said that I was probably symping either Omtose or Sorrit. The key here is that he was posting a pm to PS, not a post for the thread. As a regular symp such thoughts makes no sense as he would know whether Omtose or Sorrit was a scum. However, in the past we've had games with multiple symps where none of them know of more than one killer. If Kessobahn was a symp but had information of only one killer, such speculation as we saw makes sense.

Indeed, if I'm right PB's mistake might actually have benefited the scum a great deal.

The only problem I see with this theory is that I cannot for the life of me figure out what in the post was so game breaking.

Korbas, on 22 April 2010 - 04:09 AM, said:

No opinions on my theory?

screw you guys. I'm going to bed.

your theory sounds very plausible, especially with the two different scum "factions".

But the simple answer would be that kessoh, not knowing his other master.
Was deducing who this master could be via the actions of his known master.

Since he mentioned omtose and sorrit. Its fair to say that perhaps he felt one or the other was perhaps his other master?

Amyways this is all pure conjecture really.

[Karosis]

Gamelon, on 22 April 2010 - 08:02 AM, said:

D, on 21 April 2010 - 07:16 PM, said:

Eloth, on 21 April 2010 - 06:12 PM, said:

@ D'riss

Yeah I'm talking about Kesso post which he edited.

Now the reason why I say you agree with Sorrit is that you, Sorrit and Korbas read that post.

Sorrit went and said that it implicated Omtose.

Korbas said that Kesso accused him of being a symp.

And you said you read it but you will not reveal what you read.

But you did vote for Omtose.

Which in my mind backs sorrit version.

Cause if you think that Sorrit was lying through his team or you knew that his interpretation of Kesso edited post was false you should have voted for him and not Omtose.

This is a case of if you think a guy is scum you stick a vote on him and keep it on him, you only vote for someone else if you are needed to hammer and the lynch is needed.

You still had time to debate the consequence of the differeing accounts of what Kesso said.

Now can you shed a light on what Kesso did say or not D'riss?

Edit: spelling

Wait, what?
Someone who wanted us to believe that he hasn't read the post, but was caught in his lie and now says he has read the post now asks ME to shed a light to what Kesso said? Sorry, Eloth. It seems you are simply baiting me into saying something here, so you can then later stand up all high and mighty and proclaim that you know what is going on.I won't bite, sorry.

The reasons why I haven't commented on Kessos post, are my own. I am not going to explain, unless I find it absolutely neccessery.

I already said I had other people in my radar. I only voted because we were getting close to night time , and another day passing without any information would be disaster. I fail to understand how me voting for who I believe to be scum would actually HELP so late in the day. It could be very well viewed as symping, as you can actually point out quite conviniently later on.

So you are trying to swift blame on me because I voted Omtose, while you are trying to represent yourself as neutral as possible, distancing from Sorrit and Korbas in case we lynch either of those and find them as scum. Not to mention you didn't vote at all.


Liosan called your cards, Eloth.
I don't know why you are trying to swift the blame or build a case against me.
Like you said, isn't that symping?


PS: Afk cooking andf Champions League has already started.

The bold part makes me feel like driss knows better than anyone else what kessoh's post said.
SO...D'riss not saying what it said means what kessoh said was damaging to D'riss.

Do you really think so? Why would D'riss reveal that he had seen the post at all then? Niether Korbas or Sorrit mentioned D'riss in their vague recall of what was said and he put the info out there without anyone even asking if he'd seen the post. Better by far to just shut up and hope that noone remembered anythng damaging to him. He has done some wierd things so far, but it's a bit of stretch to assume the reason he isnt talking is to avoid incriminating himself. Unless it's to be able to counter Korbas and Sorrit if either of them start to build a case against him based on what Kesso editted? So that the 'I read the post and know you're lying' thing doesnt come out of the blue, but that's some pretty convoluted play right there.

[Spite]

Back and around for a little bit I hope.

So no kill which is good, sounds like Liosan was healed so thats good work there. Although that CF from Omtose doesn't really clear anything up, to be honest I would also say he was an inno, but thats purely based on meta and knowing JA wouldn't give up without putting up a serious fight if he didn't think it was best for the team.

The problem with this whole Sorrit mess is we don't have the original post to work with, and its hard to make a judgement about whats going on there. With a large post as it has been said, in an initial skim read could easily get difference conclusions. Maybe D'riss can comment on this a little since he seems to have seen the post.

I guess it leaves us with what do we do now?

I had a quick look as to my Liosan was targeted for a kill, but I didn't see anything that stood out there. People have mentioned the low posters and maybe that is a good place to start.


Sukul is a non entity in the game at the moment so I am going to discount them.

However there are a few others, Kaschan, Barghast and Karatallid who definitly posted early on to varying amounts and now seem to have dropped away. Barghast hasn't posted for a day or so now and Kaschan is the same.

Karatallid has been on and around a little.

His last post was during everyone voting Omtose close to the lynch with

Quote

Hola people, catching up.

And for some reason after catching up he didn't make any comments, Omtose had just been lynched and it would have been nice to hear something from him but he just seems to have dropped away.

So in an effort to hear more from him.

Vote Karatallid

[Gamelon]

Karosis, on 22 April 2010 - 08:22 AM, said:

Gamelon, on 22 April 2010 - 08:02 AM, said:

D, on 21 April 2010 - 07:16 PM, said:

Eloth, on 21 April 2010 - 06:12 PM, said:

@ D'riss

Yeah I'm talking about Kesso post which he edited.

Now the reason why I say you agree with Sorrit is that you, Sorrit and Korbas read that post.

Sorrit went and said that it implicated Omtose.

Korbas said that Kesso accused him of being a symp.

And you said you read it but you will not reveal what you read.

But you did vote for Omtose.

Which in my mind backs sorrit version.

Cause if you think that Sorrit was lying through his team or you knew that his interpretation of Kesso edited post was false you should have voted for him and not Omtose.

This is a case of if you think a guy is scum you stick a vote on him and keep it on him, you only vote for someone else if you are needed to hammer and the lynch is needed.

You still had time to debate the consequence of the differeing accounts of what Kesso said.

Now can you shed a light on what Kesso did say or not D'riss?

Edit: spelling

Wait, what?
Someone who wanted us to believe that he hasn't read the post, but was caught in his lie and now says he has read the post now asks ME to shed a light to what Kesso said? Sorry, Eloth. It seems you are simply baiting me into saying something here, so you can then later stand up all high and mighty and proclaim that you know what is going on.I won't bite, sorry.

The reasons why I haven't commented on Kessos post, are my own. I am not going to explain, unless I find it absolutely neccessery.

I already said I had other people in my radar. I only voted because we were getting close to night time , and another day passing without any information would be disaster. I fail to understand how me voting for who I believe to be scum would actually HELP so late in the day. It could be very well viewed as symping, as you can actually point out quite conviniently later on.

So you are trying to swift blame on me because I voted Omtose, while you are trying to represent yourself as neutral as possible, distancing from Sorrit and Korbas in case we lynch either of those and find them as scum. Not to mention you didn't vote at all.


Liosan called your cards, Eloth.
I don't know why you are trying to swift the blame or build a case against me.
Like you said, isn't that symping?


PS: Afk cooking andf Champions League has already started.

The bold part makes me feel like driss knows better than anyone else what kessoh's post said.
SO...D'riss not saying what it said means what kessoh said was damaging to D'riss.

Do you really think so? Why would D'riss reveal that he had seen the post at all then? Niether Korbas or Sorrit mentioned D'riss in their vague recall of what was said and he put the info out there without anyone even asking if he'd seen the post. Better by far to just shut up and hope that noone remembered anythng damaging to him. He has done some wierd things so far, but it's a bit of stretch to assume the reason he isnt talking is to avoid incriminating himself. Unless it's to be able to counter Korbas and Sorrit if either of them start to build a case against him based on what Kesso editted? So that the 'I read the post and know you're lying' thing doesnt come out of the blue, but that's some pretty convoluted play right there.

well because its pretty strange
If i remember correctly, korbas or sorrit says Driss' name was mentioned in the post.
So thats one reason he would not want to elaborate perhaps.

Also...if the post was harmless inno talk, why keep it a secret?...just tell the thread.
Yet he went and voted omtose or at least let everyone vote omtose off without sounding any alarm that sorrit was full of shit.
Would be strange if he read the post and he did not agree with sorrits assesment of it, but then let us blindly lynch omtose wouldnt it?
Unless he just went with the flow for damage control.

If it was a scum slip...well... I dont see why he would keep it quiet unless there just wasnt enough info in that post to make a definitive case and he needs to leave the rope hangin a bit more to make a case later on.
Well if that is the case i hope he does come up with something soon cause he would be a threat to team scum.

My suspcion is that D'riss is not saying anything because it would effect him or his team, weather its the inno team or the scum team, i dont know.
But he is definitely protecting/hiding SOMETHING. I just dont know if its a good something or a bad something.

[D'riss]

I'm around, but I will not vote unless absolutely neccessery, before Liosan arrives - I want to hear what he has to say and what he thinks.

Why? It's obvious.


Until then, I'm going through the Omtose bandwagon and votes on him. Because like I said before, it makes a perfect place for a scum to hide, vote-wise ; since by that time the case seemed so bulletproof that people can make such obvious claims like 'It seemed like the best available option at that time'.

[Gamelon]

Was that liosan pm thing for real?

Kinda looked like a joke to me?

[Gamelon]

D, on 22 April 2010 - 08:51 AM, said:

Until then, I'm going through the Omtose bandwagon and votes on him. Because like I said before, it makes a perfect place for a scum to hide, vote-wise ; since by that time the case seemed so bulletproof that people can make such obvious claims like 'It seemed like the best available option at that time'.

But it was the best option at the time...wasnt it?

[Gamelon]

Liosan, on 21 April 2010 - 04:03 PM, said:

Ok, Reveal and why:

In the first edition of the lynch/night post by PS regarding last night, I died, with my alt/role listed.

I am Chunyu Qiong, and I am Big Pimpen in Ancient China. As far as I am aware, I have no kind of BP, so I assume I got healed last night, thank you. I do have a power which I will not reveal at this time.

Edit: I r gud spellr.

oh...ok...its real

It was "BIG PIMPEN" that had me thinking they were messing around

[Gamelon]

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