[Eloth]

Liosan are you jumping at shadows as you read that you may have been dead.

If it two killers with shared kill both killers must come to agreement, is it possible that one killer selected you but the other one wasn't on and never submitted your name also. Yes that possible.

Is it possible for a mod to make a mistake as they are human yes it is possible.

Your jumping instantly that there is a healer, ok that is also possible but the more roles that the inno team has shifts the balnce of the setup. Unless the two referred town roles are also the healer or guard or finder (think of any combo) then that I can see.

What clear Liosan is that Sorrit and Korbas say two different things about what Kesso put in that post he edited.

If one of them is telling the truth then the other is lying.

Also D'riss supports what Sorrit said by claiming he saw the same thing if I remember correctly.

Sorrit suggested that the Kesso post hinted that Omtose was being symped by Kesso. A symp will not symp another symp, he is going to symp his master.
Omtose cf gives us a possible symp at bcs.

The people I would consider Sorrit, D'riss or Korbas. Cause what they say about the Kesso post doesn't add up as their is two conflicting stories.

[Korbas]

All right. I've returned. Seems to me there's a lot of stuff going on, but I feel compelled to comment on this stuff firts.

Tulas Shorn, on 21 April 2010 - 03:09 PM, said:

That is why I voted for sorrit none of it made sense to me. The only pressure on omtose at that point was from sorrit.
The thing that I find interesting is that korbas just disappears. I know that we all have lives and that I am not one to talk about disappearing, but korbas was right there when the whole thing went down. Then he didn't vote for anyone.

Just disappears? What the hell are you talking about? I was on before during and quite some time after Kesso's little thing. Did I disappear because I happened not to be online at a time you would've preferred me to be online? That certainly makes sense.

And I had voted, and confirmed my intention of voting D'riss before I left. I hardly see how that constitutes not voting, but I guess you mean that I didn't vote for Omtose.

Gamelon, on 21 April 2010 - 03:24 PM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 21 April 2010 - 03:09 PM, said:

That is why I voted for sorrit none of it made sense to me. The only pressure on omtose at that point was from sorrit.
The thing that I find interesting is that korbas just disappears. I know that we all have lives and that I am not one to talk about disappearing, but korbas was right there when the whole thing went down. Then he didn't vote for anyone.

i admit to the same feeling of...erm...well... "doubt" when it comes to sorrit.

But at the same time i coulndt ignore what kessoh said himself.
"game breaking"post and his self vote does not to me seem like something an inno would worry about or do.
However as a symp it screams to me as someone who would do exactly what kessoh did..

An inno posting his thoughts by mistake on thread is really not going to break the game.
Most of us would have taken it with a pinch of salt if he had just left it in all its glory.
We would have no way of knowing if it was genuine or not.
So he MUSt have said SOMETHING thats really damning and the only thing i can think of is he was talking about his master or how to help him..etc.

so first things first for me is to test sorrits claim on what he "saw"
I admit to actually missing korbas's post, in fact i didnt miss it as such...i just thought it was sorrit who posted that aswell.
Korbas going missing is also very strange as it was quite a huge thing that had just happened.


all in all very strange, weird and pretty worrying

And I was online through it in it's entirety. Just because I was not here for the aftermath does no more mean that I disappeared than you not being online during Kesso's fluke means that you did.

When that is said, I find it a little surprising that Sorrit and my own interpretations of Kesso's post are so different. Perhaps I would've interpreted it differently if I had read it knowing it was a pm and not a regular post. I don't know. What I wrote is how I read it and that's that.

I was trying to draw attention away from either Sorrit or Omtose by voting D'riss. Now, in lieu of Omtose's cf that would seem less likely. I personally don't get a scum vibe from Sorrit, but though I pride myself on being good at that sort of thing I have been wrong in the past.

Also, if Kesso was a symp I wonder how he could've thought I was symping Omtose as he must surely have known that Omtose wasn't a killer. I'm a little confused by it all I must admit.

[Tulas Shorn]

Grammer guy I don't know if you have noticed that I am not on a lot as such I have to lay down a vote when I am on. On my suspect at the time. Frankely nothing I saw yesterday would have caused me to hve changed my vote. Other then the nesessaty to lynch. If you think outlr grammer I bad you should play with mac. He barely has a grasp of the english language.

[Korvalain]

Right, my thoughts.

Korbas disappeared quicksmart when all the Kess stuff kicked off, without laying a vote on Omtose. I'm not sure the entire Omtose "information" was fully delved into at that time, but Korbas definitely warrants an eye on them for that.

D'riss seemed to be wilfully filling up the thread with gigantic posts of shite just when the Omtose thing was kicking off. Symp? But then who for, since it doesn't look like Omtose was a killer.

Sorrit, could have been scum pushing for a lynch on an inno, but if so that was fucking ballsy.

Tulas, dead set on Sorrit today, as he was yesterday. He didn't want to vote for Omtose at all.

Also, this from the OP:

"In great excitement Liu Bei fetched a length of white silk and wrote his name at the head. Jian Yong added his, and suggested his trusted friend General ______ would surely be willing to make cause with them. Liu Bei also proposed his trusted friends Commandant _______ and Counselor _______. At the moment a servant announced all three officials had arrived in quick succession. "Thus Heavan aids us!" Liu Bei exclaimed and sent for the three. Each eagerly added his own name to the pledge."

Notice that one of the conspirators was a General. Omtose was a general. Circumstantial, but I'm not willing to rule Omtose out as an inno just yet, unless people know more about the character name than I do.

[Karosis]

I dont really see how you can say one way or the other whether Omtose was a symp, but the main thing is that he didnt CF as scum. If Kesso was trying to move attention away from Omtose, the only reason he would be doing so would be because Omtose was scum, which he obviously isn't.

Which makes what happened yesterday pretty confusing. Either Sorrit and Korbas lied, or there was huge misunderstanding as to what Kesso said. I would think lying would be pretty stupid, considering scum would know Omtose would CF inno. Confusion makes a bit more sense, but it doesn't sit right with me. My first instinct would be to throw a vote after Sorrit, but I'm really not sure what's going on.

D'riss said he saw the post too, but didnt see the point of discussing what was in it? I for one would like a bit of a better idea what actually happened, hopefully it would sort this whole mess out.

[Sorrit]

Well, I am here... pretty disappointed in the CF. I thought he would be one of the main 2. As Eloth says, I wasn't pushing that he would be a symp, I was pushing that he would be one of the 2 main baddies. So, either I read PB's post wrong, or interpreted it wrong, or I am bat shit insane. In any case, I placedmy vote on what I saw. I made my bed and now I gotta lay in it.

Got some good banter going though and that is helpful.

If anyone has questions, I am here off and on for 8 hrs or so.

Gonna read over the last few pages.

[Korbas]

Well done healer.


Why are people complaining about the cf? We'll be told if a person is one of the killers (their names are in the OP) or someone else. Do any of you really expect PS to reveal whether the person dead is a symp or a regular inno?

[Korvalain]

It adds confusion. It doesn't come back with inno, it comes back with some name that resembles one of the conspirators (i.e. General ________ ).

[Korbas]

Korvalain, on 21 April 2010 - 04:44 PM, said:

Right, my thoughts.

Korbas disappeared quicksmart when all the Kess stuff kicked off, without laying a vote on Omtose. I'm not sure the entire Omtose "information" was fully delved into at that time, but Korbas definitely warrants an eye on them for that.

D'riss seemed to be wilfully filling up the thread with gigantic posts of shite just when the Omtose thing was kicking off. Symp? But then who for, since it doesn't look like Omtose was a killer.

Sorrit, could have been scum pushing for a lynch on an inno, but if so that was fucking ballsy.

Tulas, dead set on Sorrit today, as he was yesterday. He didn't want to vote for Omtose at all.

Also, this from the OP:

"In great excitement Liu Bei fetched a length of white silk and wrote his name at the head. Jian Yong added his, and suggested his trusted friend General ______ would surely be willing to make cause with them. Liu Bei also proposed his trusted friends Commandant _______ and Counselor _______. At the moment a servant announced all three officials had arrived in quick succession. "Thus Heavan aids us!" Liu Bei exclaimed and sent for the three. Each eagerly added his own name to the pledge."

Notice that one of the conspirators was a General. Omtose was a general. Circumstantial, but I'm not willing to rule Omtose out as an inno just yet, unless people know more about the character name than I do.

Oh for the love of Zombie Jesus. How many hours do you people expect me to spend on this game? When I left yesterday I was one of the top three poster without taking part in your circle wanking through most of day 1. Just because I was gone for about 12 hours I disappeared? Christ.

[Korbas]

Korvalain, on 21 April 2010 - 04:48 PM, said:

It adds confusion. It doesn't come back with inno, it comes back with some name that resembles one of the conspirators (i.e. General ________ ).

It adds no more confusion than you allow it to add. Fancy names are just fancy ways of saying not killer.

[Korbas]

Karosis, on 21 April 2010 - 04:46 PM, said:

I dont really see how you can say one way or the other whether Omtose was a symp, but the main thing is that he didnt CF as scum. If Kesso was trying to move attention away from Omtose, the only reason he would be doing so would be because Omtose was scum, which he obviously isn't.

Which makes what happened yesterday pretty confusing. Either Sorrit and Korbas lied, or there was huge misunderstanding as to what Kesso said. I would think lying would be pretty stupid, considering scum would know Omtose would CF inno. Confusion makes a bit more sense, but it doesn't sit right with me. My first instinct would be to throw a vote after Sorrit, but I'm really not sure what's going on.

D'riss said he saw the post too, but didnt see the point of discussing what was in it? I for one would like a bit of a better idea what actually happened, hopefully it would sort this whole mess out.

I posted my summary of Kessobahn's post 3 minutes after he edited it out. How could I possibly have known how many people had seen it, or even if someone had quoted it? Do you think anyone at all (apart perhaps from Khell) would be stupid enough to try a lie at that point? Even kesso could easily have turned at that point and called me out for all I knew.

[Korvalain]

It wasn't the length of time you disappeared for, Korbas, it was the timing when you left that looks suspicious. Just when some major stuff was kicking off, you left without giving it any real consideration.

Got a pickle up your arse, haven't you?

[Korbas]

Korvalain, on 21 April 2010 - 04:55 PM, said:

It wasn't the length of time you disappeared for, Korbas, it was the timing when you left that looks suspicious. Just when some major stuff was kicking off, you left without giving it any real consideration.

Got a pickle up your arse, haven't you?

The whole of day 2 from Kesso's slip to the build up of Omtose's vote train was important, yet I hardly have the option to sit by the computer all day because something important is happening on the internet. I did my part and then some yesterday and it gets frustrating when people continue to sprout this nonsense because I wasn't online when they would've liked me to be.

[Sorrit]

Korvalain, on 21 April 2010 - 04:44 PM, said:

Right, my thoughts.

Korbas disappeared quicksmart when all the Kess stuff kicked off, without laying a vote on Omtose. I'm not sure the entire Omtose "information" was fully delved into at that time, but Korbas definitely warrants an eye on them for that.

D'riss seemed to be wilfully filling up the thread with gigantic posts of shite just when the Omtose thing was kicking off. Symp? But then who for, since it doesn't look like Omtose was a killer.

Sorrit, could have been scum pushing for a lynch on an inno, but if so that was fucking ballsy.

Tulas, dead set on Sorrit today, as he was yesterday. He didn't want to vote for Omtose at all.

Also, this from the OP:

"In great excitement Liu Bei fetched a length of white silk and wrote his name at the head. Jian Yong added his, and suggested his trusted friend General ______ would surely be willing to make cause with them. Liu Bei also proposed his trusted friends Commandant _______ and Counselor _______. At the moment a servant announced all three officials had arrived in quick succession. "Thus Heavan aids us!" Liu Bei exclaimed and sent for the three. Each eagerly added his own name to the pledge."

Notice that one of the conspirators was a General. Omtose was a general. Circumstantial, but I'm not willing to rule Omtose out as an inno just yet, unless people know more about the character name than I do.

Also, PB CF'd as a Commandant.

fwiw As I am an 'Official" i am not sure if there are non scum that have the titles of General and Comandant. But it seems awefully coincidental.

[Liosan]

Sorrit, on 21 April 2010 - 05:20 PM, said:

Also, PB CF'd as a Commandant.

fwiw As I am an 'Official" i am not sure if there are non scum that have the titles of General and Comandant. But it seems awefully coincidental.

I am pretty sure there are. Good try though.

[Sorrit]

Well, the 2 head inno's are General and Minister... I meant RI's.

[D'riss]

Eloth, on 21 April 2010 - 11:43 AM, said:

Shit I don't know how much time there is left on the day, just got back on to read.

Whoever suggested that scum would offer themselves up in an attempt to PI themselves, is being a bit stupid, that is based on the assumption that PB was scum and he mentioned team members in the post and that team scum are doing damage control. The only way for a scum to PI himself is to give his fellow killer as they are confirmed scum. Giving another symp won't work as the CF is ambiguous about who they are.

I did not see this post so the entire case is based on the content of the post that was edited by Kesso (PB) which is a modkill offense. For all I know he could have said something that might have confirmed him as inno...

Eloth, care to explain what exactly you mean here?
When you say in 'the' post then you are refering to the one PB edited?.. if you were talking about another post then why didn't you quote it...
Maybe because it was edited, perhaps? But what am I sayind, you did not 'see' that post.

Pot.Kettle.Black.


Again, now it's twice that you've mentioned that you have seen me AGREE or backup Sorrits claims about PBs edited post. And I challenge you to go back through my posts and find that exact thing.You won't.Because you can't.
I did not agree with Sorrit, and I did not back up him up anywhere.In fact, I was actually thinking that TS initial arguement sounded valid.I would have actually voted for someone else, but we were too close to night time and risking another day with no lynch was complete and utter bullocks.

Symp or no-symp , Omtose wasn't one of the two main scum we are looking for. So, now that we are actually going through a list of suspects that surface due to that, and you are trying to swift the attention on me because you 'believe' I was agreeing with Sorrit? Sure, ok.

[Korbas]

See D'riss, the moment you started talking about things other than statistics, the quality of your contributions have gone up quite markedly.

[Eloth]

@ D'riss

Yeah I'm talking about Kesso post which he edited.

Now the reason why I say you agree with Sorrit is that you, Sorrit and Korbas read that post.

Sorrit went and said that it implicated Omtose.

Korbas said that Kesso accused him of being a symp.

And you said you read it but you will not reveal what you read.

But you did vote for Omtose.

Which in my mind backs sorrit version.

Cause if you think that Sorrit was lying through his team or you knew that his interpretation of Kesso edited post was false you should have voted for him and not Omtose.

This is a case of if you think a guy is scum you stick a vote on him and keep it on him, you only vote for someone else if you are needed to hammer and the lynch is needed.

You still had time to debate the consequence of the differeing accounts of what Kesso said.

Now can you shed a light on what Kesso did say or not D'riss?

Edit: spelling

This post has been edited by Eloth: 21 April 2010 - 06:12 PM

[Korbas]

Right, I am off for a while. I'm going to take a shower, followed by something along the line of a ten minute walk to the library. I'm going to stay there for a good number of hours finishing a paper. I'll be back later tonight, time depending on whether I buy dinner or make it myself, and I'll check the thread then. In addition, my girlfriend will be dropping by at approximately 9pm and will most likely bring a movie for us to watch. We might have sex. Afterward I will probably fall asleep and sleep to around 9 am tomorrow morning at which time I'll make breakfast and check the thread before I once again leave the apartment to do my daily stuff.