[D'riss]

Sorrit, on 28 April 2010 - 05:36 PM, said:

D, on 28 April 2010 - 05:31 PM, said:

Hood, on 28 April 2010 - 05:22 PM, said:

You won't find much unfortunately. He's been a low poster and has random voted a couple of times. His vote on day three was a switch from Sorrit to Alkend.

He was the first vote on Sorrit, and his vote change later swung the number from Sorrit 4/Alkend 3 to Alkend4/Sorrit3. That "swing" vote makes me think Alkend's cool, and puts a question mark on Sorrit. (although voting him in the first place and leaving that vote for a good number of hours would be pretty ballsy).

Edit: added "a couple of times" for clarity

What are the chances Tulas was signaling Sorrit, and once Sorrit came out with the whole PM inno 'fiasko' and got considered CI from other people, he simply ducked down and tried to play under the radar himself?

Like I said, people CI Sorrit because he used the 'check my reveal if you are inno, you will know I am inno too' arguement - yet he got a slap in the wrist for that by having his vote removed instead of getting mod killed.I don't know if that is a valid strategy for scum to use, but like I said earlier, if Sorrit comes up as the other roled killer, I will feel 'cheated' if he was allowed to use that.

I'm not scum. the fact that you can't see that just placed you with Galain on my list for possible scum. Why would I get slapped on the wrist for semi-quoting a PM that didn't exist? That would then be considered a lie, and as far as I know thats an integral part of mafia.

If what you said in the post that got you in trouble for, is true - then I know you are not scum.
What I am saying is that if people are allowed to use that as a strategy.

You're saying that because you got punished for it, then what you claimed was true.I'm just asking if someone could gamble and by watching the wordings of the CFs and simply picking a name could claim a reveal in a similar fashion to build a CI case for himself.

[Galain]

I'm not scum. My CF will prove that beyond a shadow of a doubt because it is NOTHING like any of the other names.

Somebody else is the final named scum. Now, I'll be here for another hour or so if people want to chat about the final scum possibilities, but after that I have to leave and will hammer if necessary before doing so.

[Korbas]

Alkend, on 28 April 2010 - 05:23 AM, said:

back from footy practice. Seems Korv wasn't our man, that's unfortunate.

as much as I hate talking about NKs, someone brought up that Karosis may have been the choice, because hes the hardest to lynch. I'd disagree with that, I'd say he was just as lynchable as Eloth, since both have suggested keeping Spite around whilst guarded.
If I was to look for the unlynchables, i'd say Korbas and Tulas. now, people keep bringing up the "Korbas sounds sympish" idea, but think about: what better role a scum could play? he's in plain view, but everyone will always dismiss him as "a symp at best", looking for other people.

wow that took a long time to write even longer to re-write, since my nets are fritzing again.
I really need sleep. theose very my 2 cents on where to look next, and i'll se you all in the morning.

I'm sorry. I'm the killer and then you decide not to vote for me? And how have I played up my symp role? Up until now Sorrit has been the only one to voice a suspicion that I'm a symp. That seems fairly poor play by me, no?

Hood, on 28 April 2010 - 05:06 PM, said:

Ok, the time, I believe, is finally right for my reveal.

I am Chief of the Secretariat, Yang Dajang.

I am not a healer. I am a finder of those who are part of the conspiracy against Yuan Shao. Which means I do not find the main leaders of the conspiracy, but rather I find those who have joined.

In short terms, I am a symp finder.

Now as some of you will probably note, this is hard to prove. However, there are some things which should show I am telling the truth. First, I am not under any serious pressure at the moment. Thread's pretty dead, and I have no votes on me now with Eloth's removal.

Second, I am a named role - woe unto the person who counter reveals.

Third, I felt I pushed my luck with not revealing yesterday, but with a possible lynch of me today and the NK taking us down to 6, I feel the time is now right. Also, with the game going down to 6 players after a lynch and NK, there is the outside chance there are 2 symps left and we'd be almost completely screwed.


Just in case, waaay back at the beginning I coded my ability into a post (#175). My wording makes it sound like I am suggesting that Symps might have the ability to do finds. But my ambiguous wording "finder ability for symps" is actually in reference to my own night action.

Hood, on 20 April 2010 - 12:52 PM, said:

Well, one thing about the previous games is that they had a pretty good variety of roles, although those were mercs. If we really wanted to go WCS there might be a symp with a vig, or finder ability for symps or something else weird (like healing catapults ).

Probably unlikely, but 3 Kingdoms games (and Twilight) have shown that D'rek likes some twists when it comes to roles.

If we're going on "clues from scenes" though, it appears like 2 killers and 2 symps. WCS 3 symps sounds plausible though.

Further evidence I am what I claim -

If you go back to the Gamelon vote, you will see that I state in more than one post that I think Gamelon is a symp, but that he is not the replacement killer. That is because I did a find on Gamelon the night we lynched Spite, and I came back with positive results (so I knew he was just a symp, not a killer, before we actually voted him off.)

Hood, on 24 April 2010 - 09:26 AM, said:

Ok, first and foremost I agree that Gamelon is likely a symp, and lynching him at the very least pushes back D-Day of Scum majority.

But I think it is also important to discuss other suspects, because there is NO guarantee that the kill passed on to Gamelon. I would suspect a lowly symp would be the more likely role to come forward to try to save Spite, not the person who would inherit the kill.

.

Hood, on 24 April 2010 - 09:58 AM, said:

Was there really any chance for Gamelon to avoid getting attacked the next day when Spite turned up scum? See the beginning of my post, I highly highly doubt anything other than a normal symp would come forward to try to save Spite.

I felt I had to keep the wording a little ambiguous, but my capitalizing of NO and saying "highly highly doubt" were meant as emphasis.

Finally -

I know for a fact that Tulas Shorn is a remaining symp. I did my find on him the night we lynched Gamelon. That's why both yesterday and today I've been pestering him with "what do you think" questions. It's also why I removed my vote on Korvalain yesterday, because I didn't want Korv to be lynched before I could see Tulas' opinion on the matter. Car crash got in the way of that unfortunately (both for my case, and Tulas in real life obviously).



I would reveal the others who I did my finds on, but I am reticent to do so since that will tell the killer exactly who he can kill without worry. If there is another symp left, better he has a chance of hitting them, and my not-a-symp finds won't tell you who the killer is anyways.

For the record, Barghast was not a symp, he was my first find. That I can reveal with no ill effect and may factor into some weird WCS calculations by D'riss. I also did my research and Tulas' votes on Eloth today, and Alkend back on day 3, suggests they are probably not killers.

Like I said to Sorrit just a post ago, my bet is the killer will be found amongst D'riss, Korbas and Galain. Sorrit maybe.

I understand my reveal isn't really testable since Tulas will just come up as a regular name, but such is the disadvantage of a symp finder. But for the purpose of putting off D-Day and making sure my info comes out on thread,

Vote Tulas Shorn

Not to rain on your parade and all, but everyone in the game knew that Gamelon was a symp when Spite was CF'ed. That's hardly a convincing argument. Furthermore, this is a M&P game and that role of yours is pretty far removed from such a setting.

However, I've been thinking about the role distribution a lot and your role certainly makes more sense than a healer or a regular finder, considering symps that know only one master and a guard that could block kills from day 1.

I'll hold judgment until Tulas' CF turns up

Sorrit, on 28 April 2010 - 05:26 PM, said:

remove vote

Vote Tulas Shorn

barring a counter reveal, we are basically exchanging a symp for our remaining roled player. BUT this menas that we at least get to make the scum kill us all for a win and the majority. I'll take that tradde.

I would have liked you to hold your reveal for one more night. You were under lynch pressure, so not a likely NK... but oh well. pandora's box is opened and what can we do... that being said...

while you are still around I wonder if it wouldn't be better to look for the killer. With Tulas' vote today I would be insanely surprised if Eloth is the last scum. That makes Me, Eloth and HP VPI in my book right now. ( this is all barring a counter reveal, if that happens, I'll have to reevaluate) leaving the Killer in the Galain/Korbas/D'riss/Alkend group.

Since we now know Korbas isn't a symp, his attacks on Alkend make more sense. I am leaning towards Korbas being the remaining Killer, maybe Alkend. Imo we should save Tulas for tomorrow while we still have HP and try for the Killer today when we have more known inno's. Thoughts on that idea?

Why do my attacks on Alkend make more sense? And why are everyone pretending that my Galain case does not exist? Have you guys at all looked at it? Have you noticed that even in defence Galain did not commit to anything let alone a suspicion of anyone?

[Sorrit]

Meh- I don't want to go down that path again. I'll just shut up about it. You can believe what you want D'riss

[Korbas]

Anyways, I see no reason not to vote Tulas Shorn. I'll do so just as I've read all the x-posts

[Korbas]

Galain, on 28 April 2010 - 05:47 PM, said:

I'm not scum. My CF will prove that beyond a shadow of a doubt because it is NOTHING like any of the other names.

Somebody else is the final named scum. Now, I'll be here for another hour or so if people want to chat about the final scum possibilities, but after that I have to leave and will hammer if necessary before doing so.

A convincing defence indeed. So, who do you suspect then?

[Sorrit]

I will give you that Korbas. Your Galain case does make more sense with this new info.

[Korbas]

We've got like 3 hours left, yeah? Hm, I'll go make myself a sandwich.

[Galain]

If I had to throw somebody under the bus as of right now it'd be Eloth or D'riss, pending Tulas CF. I'm not very fond of you, but that's probably mostly bias.

I think we let D'riss slide for too long after all the weird shit at the beginning of the game, and he's been a name in the back of my head for a long time. New player possibility or not, there are no good reasons to come in making posts that have little value other than to get out there.

Eloth has been up there in my mind since early in the game too. Like everybody thinks about me, I think he's played fairly calmly and consistently, without any big mash-ups.

So.

By the way, that wasn't a defense. That was a statement. I was hoping you morons would lynch me to prove that I was a RI yesterday so that you could easily figure out that a symp and probably remaining roled scum would be necessary to do so and get a good analysis on my train. But, I had to defend enough to not make it simple for only innos to be on. You lynched Korv instead. Notice a mysterious absence by me last night? Yep. That'd be why.

[Galain]

There was a part of me yesterday who wanted to vote for Hoods Path as I thought you were a symp Korbas, for bringing out your "case" against me, and as HP was the only other candidate than Korv, and Korv got dead real fast, that left him the remaining possibility. But again, that is a severely biased train of thought.

[Sorrit]

Well, everybody has checked in since the reveal except Alkend and no counter... knowing that Alkend won't be around for lynch I am willing to believe HP.

[Tulas Shorn]

Hood, on 28 April 2010 - 05:06 PM, said:

Ok, the time, I believe, is finally right for my reveal.

I am Chief of the Secretariat, Yang Dajang.

I am not a healer. I am a finder of those who are part of the conspiracy against Yuan Shao. Which means I do not find the main leaders of the conspiracy, but rather I find those who have joined.

In short terms, I am a symp finder.

Now as some of you will probably note, this is hard to prove. However, there are some things which should show I am telling the truth. First, I am not under any serious pressure at the moment. Thread's pretty dead, and I have no votes on me now with Eloth's removal.

Second, I am a named role - woe unto the person who counter reveals.

Third, I felt I pushed my luck with not revealing yesterday, but with a possible lynch of me today and the NK taking us down to 6, I feel the time is now right. Also, with the game going down to 6 players after a lynch and NK, there is the outside chance there are 2 symps left and we'd be almost completely screwed.


Just in case, waaay back at the beginning I coded my ability into a post (#175). My wording makes it sound like I am suggesting that Symps might have the ability to do finds. But my ambiguous wording "finder ability for symps" is actually in reference to my own night action.

Hood, on 20 April 2010 - 12:52 PM, said:

Well, one thing about the previous games is that they had a pretty good variety of roles, although those were mercs. If we really wanted to go WCS there might be a symp with a vig, or finder ability for symps or something else weird (like healing catapults ).

Probably unlikely, but 3 Kingdoms games (and Twilight) have shown that D'rek likes some twists when it comes to roles.

If we're going on "clues from scenes" though, it appears like 2 killers and 2 symps. WCS 3 symps sounds plausible though.

Further evidence I am what I claim -

If you go back to the Gamelon vote, you will see that I state in more than one post that I think Gamelon is a symp, but that he is not the replacement killer. That is because I did a find on Gamelon the night we lynched Spite, and I came back with positive results (so I knew he was just a symp, not a killer, before we actually voted him off.)

Hood, on 24 April 2010 - 09:26 AM, said:

Ok, first and foremost I agree that Gamelon is likely a symp, and lynching him at the very least pushes back D-Day of Scum majority.

But I think it is also important to discuss other suspects, because there is NO guarantee that the kill passed on to Gamelon. I would suspect a lowly symp would be the more likely role to come forward to try to save Spite, not the person who would inherit the kill.

Hood, on 24 April 2010 - 09:58 AM, said:

Was there really any chance for Gamelon to avoid getting attacked the next day when Spite turned up scum? See the beginning of my post, I highly highly doubt anything other than a normal symp would come forward to try to save Spite.

I felt I had to keep the wording a little ambiguous, but my capitalizing of NO and saying "highly highly doubt" were meant as emphasis.

Finally -

I know for a fact that Tulas Shorn is a remaining symp. I did my find on him the night we lynched Gamelon. That's why both yesterday and today I've been pestering him with "what do you think" questions. It's also why I removed my vote on Korvalain yesterday, because I didn't want Korv to be lynched before I could see Tulas' opinion on the matter. Car crash got in the way of that unfortunately (both for my case, and Tulas in real life obviously).



I would reveal the others who I did my finds on, but I am reticent to do so since that will tell the killer exactly who he can kill without worry. If there is another symp left, better he has a chance of hitting them, and my not-a-symp finds won't tell you who the killer is anyways.

For the record, Barghast was not a symp, he was my first find. That I can reveal with no ill effect and may factor into some weird WCS calculations by D'riss. I also did my research and Tulas' votes on Eloth today, and Alkend back on day 3, suggests they are probably not killers.

Like I said to Sorrit just a post ago, my bet is the killer will be found amongst D'riss, Korbas and Galain. Sorrit maybe.

I understand my reveal isn't really testable since Tulas will just come up as a regular name, but such is the disadvantage of a symp finder. But for the purpose of putting off D-Day and making sure my info comes out on thread,

Vote Tulas Shorn

Oh I think that you are a symp finder alright. This is a brilliant move late in the game for a symp to make. There is absolutely no way to refute you or for you to prove your self successfully. As a symp you can just point the finger and say he is a symp...and so is he...and he isn't...he isn't... Wait the game is over and scum have won. Like I said brilliant. I love that you decide to pull that stunt on me. Who can't be around to defend myself. Great symp move if I have ever saw one. You sir will for sure get the man of the match with this move.

I am not a symp. But I know know for sure that Hoods Path is. So who are you defending or attempting to cover for both alkend and Eloth have just one vote.


I am leaving my vote on Eloth as I think that he is your master. For those of you who say that Eloth wouldn't have been the third vote on Spite. If he knew that he was going to get the kill then why wouldn't he of. A vote that early would have mostly PIed him and then he could be a killer directing the traffic for the rest of the game.

HP is lying and Eloth is his master.

[Sorrit]

So are you claiming the final roled inno role Tulas?

Even if we vote you off, if you don't come back as the named Inno role, AND HP isn't NK'd we still haven't had a counter claim. Everyone but Alkend has checked in, and he will check in tonight.

by voting you off, we can determint if HP is telling the truth, because if Alkend doesn't claim roled inno ( and why would he if he is inno) then we know HP is telling the truth.

[D'riss]

By voting him off, we're also CI-ing Eloth, since Tulas defence is build upon it. WIFOM or not WIFOM?

[Galain]

Why would voting off Tulas CI Eloth? He certainly won't be CI in my mind. Nobody is, including HP.

[D'riss]

Galain, I was commenting to this statement:

Sorrit, on 28 April 2010 - 06:11 PM, said:

by voting you off, we can determint if HP is telling the truth

[Korbas]

The thing is though, we can't really say whether HP is telling the truth or not even with the CF. To CI someone at this point would be a huge mistake.

[Galain]

It'd come closest to VPI'ing HP, not Eloth. Or am I missing something?

The whole, HP is lying and Eloth is his master statement?

That's worth a grain of salt at this point in time. He could be trying to separate himself from Eloth by "throwing" him under the bus. He won't CF as anything we haven't seen before, according to HP, so we'll have no way of knowing whether or not HP is is telling the truth until Alkend gets on and doesn't counter as the other roled inno.

[Sorrit]

It all comes down to if Alkend claims the other roled inno role. If he does, then we have issues, if he doesn't this latest attempt by Tulas can just be seen as a symp muddying the waters.

[Sorrit]

Korbas, on 28 April 2010 - 06:20 PM, said:

The thing is though, we can't really say whether HP is telling the truth or not even with the CF. To CI someone at this point would be a huge mistake.

I feel we can CI HP if alkend doesn't claim roled inno... how could we not? Why would the real roled inno not reveal right away? That doesn't make sense



EDIT: completed my statement.. for some reason it got submitted before completion

This post has been edited by Sorrit: 28 April 2010 - 06:29 PM