[Harvester]

Erm, I am a little confused now - she was mute in RG because something broke in her throat or so... why is she talking in DoD?

This post has been edited by Harvester: 03 May 2010 - 10:03 PM

[Defiance]

Setoc was in Reaper's Gale? Damn, totally missed this if so...

[Harvester]

Yes, she's the sister of that farmer boy who gets killed by Redmask's KCCM guardians. Later a Barghast finds her living with wolves.

//edit: Okay, the wolves seem to be behind this... still... it's not the best transition. A little explanation would be nice.

Btw. the statement that the Barghast hurried after the Grey Swords makes absolutely no sense. Sometimes I get the feeling that these parts only exist to piss off the reader.

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[Ulrik]

Harvester, on 16 April 2010 - 10:16 PM, said:

Btw. the statement that the Barghast hurried after the Grey Swords makes absolutely no sense. Sometimes I get the feeling that these parts only exist to piss off the reader.

Oooh, did I missed something? It made sense to me (maybe wrongly). Toc went with GS to Lether and Tool wanted to follow with clans (he for reuniting, they for epic battle alongside with GS he promised). Problem is, that shipping of GS was much easier than whole White Face tribe and Tool lost valuable time to get there in time.

[Harvester]

Well yeah, I am not sure about RG but I think the Barghast arrive before the GS (in the last days of King Diskanar as we all know......timeline...not...important...have...to...memorize...) and TTH states:

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"'Well, the Grey Swords as you know marched south, down to Elingarth,' Crone said... 'And there they purchased ships.' A pause and a cock of the head. 'Could they see the wake before them? Did they know to follow? Or is there perhaps a great hole in the world's ocean, drawing every ship into it's deadly maw?'

'The White Face took to the seas? Extraordinary. And the Grey Swords followed them.' -Baruk and Crone

TtH, US TPB, p.46

DoD also implies that the Barghast travelled via warren.

It doesn't matter anyway because this particular part of the timeline has been a total mess from the start.

[Abyss]

That's sort of the point tho'. The Wolves sent the GS to Leth. Separately, the Barghast Gods sent the White Face to Leth. Neither set of gods was entirely clear on where and why and what and who and so on, and juts to mess things around, there are other forces at work, likely including the CG. It doesn't matter who went first and who followed, all we know for sure is Tool was looking fwd to seeing Toc, so he at least knew the GS were supposed to be there.

Since Letherii/Edur force wiped out the GS, we can guess he was behind that turnaround at least.
The way the Barghast act reall echoes how the CG corrpted the Letheri Edur, but that could have just been barbarian self-destruct.

As for Setoc, she was orphaned when Redmask sent the KC to wipe out a few famrs to draw the Letherii out. Wolves found her and later a White Face tribe. She also seems to grow up a whole lot, but well, we won't dwell on the timelines which is not important the timeline is not important the timelines is...

- Abyss, ...not important wait harllo was how old not important the timelines is not important dassem was betrayed when exactly not important the timeline is not important the timeline is how long were nimander and co on that prison island not important the timeline is not important...

[Ulrik]

And we all know, that if timeline doesnt fit, its something old and terrible. With beard.

[Harvester]

Well, Setoc was 10 years old when Redmask raided her village, so she doesn't seem to suffer from magic aging. ...Only from magic unmuting... I don't know why this is bugging me so much...

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[Eispeis]

Ulrik, on 17 April 2010 - 08:38 AM, said:

And we all know, that if timeline doesnt fit, its something old and terrible. With beard.

Santa?


/sorry

[Illuyankas]

I liked the name Stayandi (or whatever it was) more than Setoc, if I'm honest. Godrelatedness or not.

[Illuyankas]

Harvester, on 17 April 2010 - 10:51 AM, said:

Well, Setoc was 10 years old when Redmask raided her village, so she doesn't seem to suffer from magic aging. ...Only from magic unmuting... I don't know why this is bugging me so much...

Yeah, cause we all know there's no possible way physical damage could be healed by a shaman or something, right?

Cafal probably did it. Relax.

[foolio]

After reading DOD it just seems surprising that the Barghast that found Setoc did not hobble/rape her and then eat her....

[worry]

Yeesh, they're not savages!

[Harvester]

- Update -

I have another question. Erm - what happened to Twilight's Shake company? I don't remember all the little Shake bits from RG, so I could have missed something...

[Sinisdar Toste]

whaddaya mean what happened to her shake 'company'? They took the road of gallan to kharkanas.

edit: you have finished the book right? if no, then forget what you just read

This post has been edited by Sinisdar Toste: 04 May 2010 - 02:21 AM

[Seras]

Harvester, on 03 May 2010 - 10:10 PM, said:

- Update -

I have another question. Erm - what happened to Twilight's Shake company? I don't remember all the little Shake bits from RG, so I could have missed something...

If I remember correctly, the Perish captured Twilight's ship (in The Bonehunters), that held all the refugees. Twilight met up with Tavore a while later, made it known that she was Queen of the Shake, and claimed the Shore (or some random island, forget which) for the Shake. Skip to Dust of Dreams and all the refugees are starving, most of the witches are dead (slaughtered by Yedan), so Twilight opens a portal to Kharkansas using her royal Andii blood. Yedan and Twilight find the First Shore, which turns out to be the border between Dark and Light, the refugees settle in, Mother Dark returns, Sand and Withal pay her a visit...
TO BE CONTINUED

[HoosierDaddy]

Erayle got the book wrong but was mostly right:

As of the beginning of Reapers Gale, the want to be Rise, Tullig Brynag or some such, is attempting to claim Second Maiden Fort as his own. He does, however, have Malazan Command present, as it is their staging ground for the second invasion of Letheras by ship.

Yan Tovis (Queen) gathers the remaining Shake warlocks and peoples, and puts them on huge rafts after the Watch has reported to her a fleet that has been burned off the Western Letheri coast. However, the failing Omtose Phellack ritual that bound the Letheri from Death, has sundered, and massive ice floes and glaciers are making the ocean off of Second Maiden fort fairly unnavigable, and the Shake rafts are rescued by Perish ships and deposited on the island.

And, thus begins DoD, with the Shake having left the island for the shore again.

This post has been edited by H.D.: 04 May 2010 - 03:51 AM

[Seras]

Wow, I really need to do another re-read of Reaper's Gale, can't believe how much stuff I forgot:coffee:
Oh, and I have a question - was the failing of the Omtose Phellack ritual caused by Sinn, or was it that ancient demon-god? (or both...) I remember that part where the Jaghut comes back to repair her ritual and two Rat-Catchers tell her that they know the god's name, but not much else.

[HoosierDaddy]

These are two different failed Omtose Phellack rituals, which should alert you to the true cause.

The first ritual was Gothos pretty much freezing Death out of the entire subcontinent. That was a MASSIVE ritual, and is the one that's affecting the local oceans and seas.

The second was Ganath's? (or the one who got freed from the Azath when it died, that Bugg talked to). Her ritual froze the lake where the sea-demon was trying to get to Letheras and destroy it, the trap set by the Ceda and Mael, that she bought into.

[champ]

Sinisdar Toste, on 04 May 2010 - 02:21 AM, said:

edit: you have finished the book right? if no, then forget what you just read

i do that all the time =D