[Galayn Lord]

Well...shit.
Another lynch on fener and another block by the inquisitors?

As for Kalse, well he was playing rather smooth and i can see him being a good recruitment target but...
Im curious as to how some people seem to think that level 5 must be a recruit though?
Were/how do you get that?
In the wiki i read yesterday I only found mention of levels 1-7... So how is level 5 a recruit?
Also i could have sworn that the levels go UP... so the higher the level the better the mage?
People are sayng the lower the more powerful.
I might be mistaken, gonna have to go find that wiki page again but its strange that some guys are so specific.


Also I would have to say that our best bet at finding a NW is probably on the guys who have attacked Kalse. Of course they could just be RI's, but as a betting man id put my bet on one of his attackers.
Especially after the kill last night.
I dont see why a recruitor would interact with his recruit so soon... Doubt they would start throwing in some major distancing on the first day of their new relationship thats just putting the spotlight on your master or recruit for no reason what so ever, plenty of time for that later. I just dont see that happening.

[Ruse]

 Galayn Lord, on 19 March 2010 - 08:36 AM, said:

Well...shit.
Another lynch on fener and another block by the inquisitors?

As for Kalse, well he was playing rather smooth and i can see him being a good recruitment target but...
Im curious as to how some people seem to think that level 5 must be a recruit though?
Were/how do you get that?
In the wiki i read yesterday I only found mention of levels 1-7... So how is level 5 a recruit?
Also i could have sworn that the levels go UP... so the higher the level the better the mage?
People are sayng the lower the more powerful.
I might be mistaken, gonna have to go find that wiki page again but its strange that some guys are so specific.


Also I would have to say that our best bet at finding a NW is probably on the guys who have attacked Kalse. Of course they could just be RI's, but as a betting man id put my bet on one of his attackers.
Especially after the kill last night.
I dont see why a recruitor would interact with his recruit so soon... Doubt they would start throwing in some major distancing on the first day of their new relationship thats just putting the spotlight on your master or recruit for no reason what so ever, plenty of time for that later. I just dont see that happening.

id forgotten what number it went up to, but the power levels definitely go up as the level goes down, so 5 is still pretty weak so i can definitely see it being a recruit level rather than a starting member

[Galayn Lord]

 Ruse, on 19 March 2010 - 08:40 AM, said:

 Galayn Lord, on 19 March 2010 - 08:36 AM, said:

Well...shit.
Another lynch on fener and another block by the inquisitors?

As for Kalse, well he was playing rather smooth and i can see him being a good recruitment target but...
Im curious as to how some people seem to think that level 5 must be a recruit though?
Were/how do you get that?
In the wiki i read yesterday I only found mention of levels 1-7... So how is level 5 a recruit?
Also i could have sworn that the levels go UP... so the higher the level the better the mage?
People are sayng the lower the more powerful.
I might be mistaken, gonna have to go find that wiki page again but its strange that some guys are so specific.


Also I would have to say that our best bet at finding a NW is probably on the guys who have attacked Kalse. Of course they could just be RI's, but as a betting man id put my bet on one of his attackers.
Especially after the kill last night.
I dont see why a recruitor would interact with his recruit so soon... Doubt they would start throwing in some major distancing on the first day of their new relationship thats just putting the spotlight on your master or recruit for no reason what so ever, plenty of time for that later. I just dont see that happening.

id forgotten what number it went up to, but the power levels definitely go up as the level goes down, so 5 is still pretty weak so i can definitely see it being a recruit level rather than a starting member

aaahh ok...so these levels are indeed significant in this game then? Must be since it was in the CF i suppose i just thought it would be character names or something.
I read about the levels but i didnt think it would dictate what you are in this particular game of mafia.

i suppose another look at the wiki is in order...

[Galayn Lord]

ok....i see maybe were i got confused.
There are levels of twilight?...or something.

Almost like different levels of reality?
Are these levels different to the levels of a mage's ability?

confusing

[Galayn Lord]

from the wiki

Quote

The nature of Twilight is not fully elucidated in the first novel. It is composed of seven layers, each layer requires geometrically more power to enter and remain in. Each layer is quite different from the layer above it. Most powerful Others can't make it past the 3rd layer, a higher magician can penetrate down to the 5th layer. A Magician beyond classification such as Gesar or Zabulon can get to the 6th layer. Only a zero point magician can get to the 7th. Zero point magicians have come into being only once every thousand years or so.

and i found a direct quote on how many levels the mages have

Quote

Gesar is a battle-hardened tactician who has been known to turn devastating defeats into small victories. He cares a great deal about his subordinates, though he does not hesitate to put them in harm's way for the sake of the greater good. His mage level is Beyond Classification (i.e. does not fit into the 1–7 scale).

Ok...So as the LAYERS go up the "magician points" or levels get lower...

So wouldnt a 7th level mage be a recruit?
What does that make Kasle then?

Maybe someone who has actually read the boks can clarify this? But stating that level 5 is a recruit makes no sense according to the wiki...?

[Galayn Lord]

Ive been looking through kalses posts seeing if i can find anything.

I find this interaction quite interesting.

It started a big back and forth between the two that resutled in ...nothing.
Both sides pulling away.

 Kalse, on 18 March 2010 - 01:35 PM, said:

 Mockra, on 18 March 2010 - 01:26 PM, said:

Vote Kalse

Because he seems unrelated to Fener's weird play (which means he might be). And to prove I'm not connected to him. And because he's got a number of posts that suggests he's likely interesting in game terms.

All great reasons.

Self interest before team inno's interest? Interesting
In defense, I am more than happy to say that I have been speculating a lot on the nature of mechanics and strategy. Clearly a scum tactic, for example, being the first to come up with the way we currently interprete the nature of the Inquisitions decision, and motives for Fener. Which I obviously do because I am a Watch Member who likes secrecy...

Mockra seems eagre to show that he is not connected to Kalse.
At the time it seamed rather innocent but now that we know kalse is Dark other and possibly a recruit it might be that mockra was the mn to recruit kalse and saw it backfire as someone has paired them together so some very big distancing would be needed in this case.

Thing is do we go after another Dark other/recruiter or do we go for balance and look at the guys that have given Kalse a hard time without any reason?
Looking through the thread i highly doubt Anthras, fener, Osseric are Dark... with the way they have focused on kalse their recruit/partner doesnt make sense to me if they were dark too.
Not out of the question, just less likely in my opinion.

[Galayn Lord]

This kinda sucks...no one to talk to yet again.
whole day getting wasted.


I wont have much time online this weekend, relegated to using only my phone but should be on and off....meh

[Ruse]

 Galayn Lord, on 19 March 2010 - 09:12 AM, said:

from the wiki

Quote

The nature of Twilight is not fully elucidated in the first novel. It is composed of seven layers, each layer requires geometrically more power to enter and remain in. Each layer is quite different from the layer above it. Most powerful Others can't make it past the 3rd layer, a higher magician can penetrate down to the 5th layer. A Magician beyond classification such as Gesar or Zabulon can get to the 6th layer. Only a zero point magician can get to the 7th. Zero point magicians have come into being only once every thousand years or so.

and i found a direct quote on how many levels the mages have

Quote

Gesar is a battle-hardened tactician who has been known to turn devastating defeats into small victories. He cares a great deal about his subordinates, though he does not hesitate to put them in harm's way for the sake of the greater good. His mage level is Beyond Classification (i.e. does not fit into the 1–7 scale).

Ok...So as the LAYERS go up the "magician points" or levels get lower...

So wouldnt a 7th level mage be a recruit?
What does that make Kasle then?

Maybe someone who has actually read the boks can clarify this? But stating that level 5 is a recruit makes no sense according to the wiki...?

If i remember correctly 7th level is barely a mage and they can just about go into the twilight but thats it. Most of the people you see in the books are third or higher i think. I think 5th is week enough to be someone who's just been initiated

[Ruse]

And now i have to go , probably wont be able to post really until about 5 as i have to finish off this presentation

[Serc]

 Galayn Lord, on 19 March 2010 - 10:27 AM, said:

Ive been looking through kalses posts seeing if i can find anything.

I find this interaction quite interesting.

It started a big back and forth between the two that resutled in ...nothing.
Both sides pulling away.

 Kalse, on 18 March 2010 - 01:35 PM, said:

 Mockra, on 18 March 2010 - 01:26 PM, said:

Vote Kalse

Because he seems unrelated to Fener's weird play (which means he might be). And to prove I'm not connected to him. And because he's got a number of posts that suggests he's likely interesting in game terms.

All great reasons.

Self interest before team inno's interest? Interesting
In defense, I am more than happy to say that I have been speculating a lot on the nature of mechanics and strategy. Clearly a scum tactic, for example, being the first to come up with the way we currently interprete the nature of the Inquisitions decision, and motives for Fener. Which I obviously do because I am a Watch Member who likes secrecy...

Mockra seems eagre to show that he is not connected to Kalse.
At the time it seamed rather innocent but now that we know kalse is Dark other and possibly a recruit it might be that mockra was the mn to recruit kalse and saw it backfire as someone has paired them together so some very big distancing would be needed in this case.

Thing is do we go after another Dark other/recruiter or do we go for balance and look at the guys that have given Kalse a hard time without any reason?
Looking through the thread i highly doubt Anthras, fener, Osseric are Dark... with the way they have focused on kalse their recruit/partner doesnt make sense to me if they were dark too.
Not out of the question, just less likely in my opinion.

As much as I'd like to see a recruiter out of the game, I doubt the inquisitors will let one watch go down by two. Especially if it meant losing a recruiter, since trying to keep balance in a situation like that would be near impossible.

Looking at the people that gave Kalse a hard time might not work either - if Kalse was the recruit from night one (seems the most likely case) then how would the light others know to attack him the very next day? It would be safe to assume they're likely not the dark recruiters, but I dont think you can extend that to them being light.

[Galayn Lord]

 Serc, on 19 March 2010 - 12:13 PM, said:

Looking at the people that gave Kalse a hard time might not work either - if Kalse was the recruit from night one (seems the most likely case) then how would the light others know to attack him the very next day? It would be safe to assume they're likely not the dark recruiters, but I dont think you can extend that to them being light.

Well of-course not...i am just hedging my bets.
They are most likely not dark others..so makes them more likely light others than anyone else!
I never excluded the fact that they could also be RI's or Inquisitors...just that if we are trying to narrow the field we can mark off who potentially is NOT Dark others wich takes us one step closer. Backwards logic

So instead of them having a 1/4 chance of being a Light other (being either NW, DW, RI, Inquisitor) if you say they are most likely not a Dark Other they have a 1/3 chance (being either NW, RI, Inquisitor) of being a light other .

Get it?



edit - fucked up sentence made no sense

This post has been edited by Galayn Lord: 19 March 2010 - 12:33 PM

[Galayn Lord]

Im getting really mixed up with the light other, dark other, night watch, day watch fucking combo's.
Wiki has messed with me.

Ok...so Kalse was a Dark other, which makes him DAY watch?
sooo confusing.

And a light other according to the wiki is a Night watch.


everything is reversed in this fucking book...twilight layers go up while mage levels go down....uuuugh

[Galayn Lord]

1 post then disappear serc?

jesus....way to stay under the radar

[Path-Shaper]

Night watch watches the night, when bad guys come out to play
Day Watch watches the Day, when good guys are likely to do too much good

-ment

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 19 March 2010 - 12:56 PM

[Ruse]

 Path-Shaper, on 19 March 2010 - 12:56 PM, said:

Night watch watches the night, when bad guys come out to play
Day Watch watches the Day, when good guys are likely to do too much good

-ment

It makes sense if you think about it but it is a bit confusing to start with

[Serc]

Sorry GL, I'm kinda busy at the moment. Ok, I kinda see your point that if they're not dark then the odds are slightly better that they're light. That's purely from a maths perspective though, not in terms of trying to draw definite links. Like I said, the main problem is that the Night watch wouldn't know straight away who the dark recruit was to try push for a lynch.

Unfortunately I'm going to have to go soon, and I'm going to have very limited online time until Sunday. Is there going to be a weekend break?

At them moment I think Anthras is maybe a good person to look at. The whole mirror thing yesterday still feels like it could have been a bit of a distraction from Fener. Not knowing Fener's CF, it makes it difficult to tell if he's scummy or not, but he does fall into GL's group of people who are statistically unlikely to be Day watch and we should be looking for Night watch people at the moment. Personally I think the inquisition would have let a lynch through on a watch member last night (meaning fener isn't a watch member), but the general consensus seems to be that the inquisition wouldn't have, so it doesnt rule out the possibility that he might have been.

[Galayn Lord]

 Serc, on 19 March 2010 - 01:13 PM, said:

Sorry GL, I'm kinda busy at the moment. Ok, I kinda see your point that if they're not dark then the odds are slightly better that they're light. That's purely from a maths perspective though, not in terms of trying to draw definite links. Like I said, the main problem is that the Night watch wouldn't know straight away who the dark recruit was to try push for a lynch.

Unfortunately I'm going to have to go soon, and I'm going to have very limited online time until Sunday. Is there going to be a weekend break?

Yea well i never said its anything definitive just something to consider when looking for a NW.
Since it would seem our best bet for today would be to lynch a NW to help keep the balance etc etc.

 Serc, on 19 March 2010 - 01:13 PM, said:

At them moment I think Anthras is maybe a good person to look at. The whole mirror thing yesterday still feels like it could have been a bit of a distraction from Fener. Not knowing Fener's CF, it makes it difficult to tell if he's scummy or not, but he does fall into GL's group of people who are statistically unlikely to be Day watch and we should be looking for Night watch people at the moment. Personally I think the inquisition would have let a lynch through on a watch member last night (meaning fener isn't a watch member), but the general consensus seems to be that the inquisition wouldn't have, so it doesnt rule out the possibility that he might have been.

Well i dunno about anthras really, he just brought something to our attention thats a possibility in my book.
But then the whole distraction thing from fener is also a bit funny, I would rather lynch fener if thats the case though. since he stuck his neck out to "explain" why fener could be the way he is.

Anthras and Fener are both strong candidates for not being DW so i could go that way.

The inquisition could have let fener live again symply because at the time yet again it kept the balance...they might know for a fact that fener is a NW but elected to keep him around yet again.
But then the whole thing of voting for fener YET AGIAN...and then coming up with nothing AGAIN kinda irks me.
Does that help us?

[Serc]

 Galayn Lord, on 19 March 2010 - 01:29 PM, said:

 Serc, on 19 March 2010 - 01:13 PM, said:

Sorry GL, I'm kinda busy at the moment. Ok, I kinda see your point that if they're not dark then the odds are slightly better that they're light. That's purely from a maths perspective though, not in terms of trying to draw definite links. Like I said, the main problem is that the Night watch wouldn't know straight away who the dark recruit was to try push for a lynch.

Unfortunately I'm going to have to go soon, and I'm going to have very limited online time until Sunday. Is there going to be a weekend break?

Yea well i never said its anything definitive just something to consider when looking for a NW.
Since it would seem our best bet for today would be to lynch a NW to help keep the balance etc etc.

 Serc, on 19 March 2010 - 01:13 PM, said:

At them moment I think Anthras is maybe a good person to look at. The whole mirror thing yesterday still feels like it could have been a bit of a distraction from Fener. Not knowing Fener's CF, it makes it difficult to tell if he's scummy or not, but he does fall into GL's group of people who are statistically unlikely to be Day watch and we should be looking for Night watch people at the moment. Personally I think the inquisition would have let a lynch through on a watch member last night (meaning fener isn't a watch member), but the general consensus seems to be that the inquisition wouldn't have, so it doesnt rule out the possibility that he might have been.

Well i dunno about anthras really, he just brought something to our attention thats a possibility in my book.
But then the whole distraction thing from fener is also a bit funny, I would rather lynch fener if thats the case though. since he stuck his neck out to "explain" why fener could be the way he is.

Anthras and Fener are both strong candidates for not being DW so i could go that way.

The inquisition could have let fener live again symply because at the time yet again it kept the balance...they might know for a fact that fener is a NW but elected to keep him around yet again.
But then the whole thing of voting for fener YET AGIAN...and then coming up with nothing AGAIN kinda irks me.
Does that help us?

That's my issue too. There's a chance Fener is Night Watch and the inquisition let him survive, but I'm loathe to vote him again at this point. We're getting too focused on him and it only allows the watches more time to grow. Anthras is an option in that it's related to Fener, but not him again. That said it isn't really enough to put a vote down on at this point and I dont really have any other ideas.

Anyway, I'm off now. I'll try make it back before deadline, enjoy.

[Galayn Lord]

well im leaving soon will check in if i dont get too plastered later

[Galayn Lord]

Well....Im out here