[Ruse]

 Anthras, on 18 March 2010 - 07:29 PM, said:

 Serc, on 18 March 2010 - 07:24 PM, said:

Not willing to put a vote down on it yet, but I agree with Kalse - seriously Anthras? The badass solo power role... could be an RI? A roleless innocent?

Fine, bad wording I guess - on the RI faction. The character is not a watchman, not an inquisitor, fights the watchers and the quitters who take him on, so sounds like he's a super-human and not an Other. If he existed he'd probably even have started out with no abilities other than able to get new ones from being attacked.

Hmmm that is a good point, he does start out as a normal person in the books and goes dark because hes first attacked by a werewolf. There must be a way to remove him though, they wouldnt put a character into the game who couldnt be removed as thats way to insane and unbalanced

[Anthras]

 Serc, on 18 March 2010 - 07:33 PM, said:

 Anthras, on 18 March 2010 - 07:29 PM, said:

 Serc, on 18 March 2010 - 07:24 PM, said:

Not willing to put a vote down on it yet, but I agree with Kalse - seriously Anthras? The badass solo power role... could be an RI? A roleless innocent?

Fine, bad wording I guess - on the RI faction. The character is not a watchman, not an inquisitor, fights the watchers and the quitters who take him on, so sounds like he's a super-human and not an Other. If he existed he'd probably even have started out with no abilities other than able to get new ones from being attacked.

If you're stretching to defend a slightly misguided attempt to be helpful then please say so,

This.

[Ruse]

 Anthras, on 18 March 2010 - 07:29 PM, said:

 Serc, on 18 March 2010 - 07:24 PM, said:

Not willing to put a vote down on it yet, but I agree with Kalse - seriously Anthras? The badass solo power role... could be an RI? A roleless innocent?

Fine, bad wording I guess - on the RI faction. The character is not a watchman, not an inquisitor, fights the watchers and the quitters who take him on, so sounds like he's a super-human and not an Other. If he existed he'd probably even have started out with no abilities other than able to get new ones from being attacked.

I think if he is in hed be on a third faction, namely the twilight. That was his role to preserve balance by removing or neutralising the cause of the imbalance. Im not sure what the VC would be though

[Shadow]

Well if Ment came up with it, I'm more trusting of balanced mechanics.

Kalse, are you voting Anthras for potentially being Fener's master? Your reasoning is mostly based upon 'scaremongering.'

[Ruse]

Just out of curiosity whats the time limit for modkills?

[Anthras]

 Ruse, on 18 March 2010 - 07:43 PM, said:

Just out of curiosity whats the time limit for modkills?

36 hours without posting, usually, and with a warning at 24.

[Ruse]

Ok i might have been wrong it might be a GK game so it could be a bit stupid mechanics wise

[Kalse]

 Shadow, on 18 March 2010 - 07:41 PM, said:

Well if Ment came up with it, I'm more trusting of balanced mechanics.

Kalse, are you voting Anthras for potentially being Fener's master? Your reasoning is mostly based upon 'scaremongering.'

I'm voting him for coming up with stuff for which there is no basis in the OP and which would basically make Fener untouchable. As such, I wouldn't say master. More like a potential recruit, actually, who had been racking is brain over a way to defend Fener.
I'll say straight away that now that he clarified he does not think about the mirror as a one-man-faction (a conclusion which alarmed me, and which i may have drawn for myself prematurely) and also answered Serc about the RI/Inquisitor thing, I don't see much value in keeping my vote on him.

At the time however, his suggestions came out of left field and could, imho, serve only 1 purpose: defense.

[Kalse]

I'm out for a bit.
Back in 2h or so.

[Kalse]

remove vote

[Serc]

 Kalse, on 18 March 2010 - 07:48 PM, said:

 Shadow, on 18 March 2010 - 07:41 PM, said:

Well if Ment came up with it, I'm more trusting of balanced mechanics.

Kalse, are you voting Anthras for potentially being Fener's master? Your reasoning is mostly based upon 'scaremongering.'

I'm voting him for coming up with stuff for which there is no basis in the OP and which would basically make Fener untouchable. As such, I wouldn't say master. More like a potential recruit, actually, who had been racking is brain over a way to defend Fener.
I'll say straight away that now that he clarified he does not think about the mirror as a one-man-faction (a conclusion which alarmed me, and which i may have drawn for myself prematurely) and also answered Serc about the RI/Inquisitor thing, I don't see much value in keeping my vote on him.

At the time however, his suggestions came out of left field and could, imho, serve only 1 purpose: defense.

Why wouldn't you just keep your vote on Fener then? We need to go after the masters, not their recruits.

[Shadow]

Remove Vote
Vote Fener

Not enough interest on Mockra, may as well test the theory that Fener isn't getting lynched, he asked to be lynched and has outed himself as a recruit.

I doubt he'll get lynched but guess there's only one way to find out.

[Anthras]

I'm out for a bit too, catch you in a few.

[Ruse]

I dont agree with you that he wont get lynched, id hope that the Inquisitors would get rid of him because he's a pest right now and isnt helping their cause.
If he was lynch proof due to being the mirror (if he started in the game then whoevers idea it was is an idiot ) then id hope that the mods had at least enough sense balance wise to make him only have 1 LP so he should go today.

Vote Fener

Hes annoying

[Serc]

Whoah, that's a big swing towards Fener. How much time is left?

[Gamelon]

 Anthras, on 18 March 2010 - 07:08 PM, said:

 Eloth, on 18 March 2010 - 07:03 PM, said:

 Anthras, on 18 March 2010 - 06:56 PM, said:

 Omtose, on 18 March 2010 - 06:31 PM, said:

If fener wanted out of the game, he'd just ask for modkill. So, I reckon he's definetely doing what he is for a reason. I would imagine that reason would be ignored. And look at that, there have been at least a couple of people encouraging us simply to ignore him, for reasons I think are stupid. Shadows meta reasoning for example-If he was having trouble playing, why not request modkill rather than waste our time.

I don't like fener, and I don't like the people advocating us ignoring him entirely.

There may be a very good reason to ignore him:

Quote

Vitaly Ragoza (The Mirror) - a minor Other who was not associated with either side, but was turned into the Mirror by the Twilight itself in order to correct the imbalance between the Night Watch and Day Watch in Moscow. As the Mirror, he had an ability to match the power level of any Other he was combating at the time. In the span of two weeks, he killed Tiger Cub and drained Svetlana's power. Upon completing his mission, he vanished into the Twilight.

(from wikipedia)

If he were this mirror he'd want people to lynch/attack him to increase his own power as he 'matches' them. If it's true, then we definitely do want to ignore and avoid him.

Isn't that the role of the Inquisition this game, making that redundant? Or are you advocating a possible single-member faction

Not necessarily seperate faction, could be an inquisition member, or count as an RI. Or not. Don't know, but it would match well with the idea of Fener wanting to be lynched and obviously acting in such a way as to draw NAs.
Or, to add plenty of WIFOM, Fener could be acting as if he were this role in the hopes that someone like me would point this character out and everyone'd be freaked out about him.

Anthras thank you so much. I have been trying to find something that some one has said that woud thatI find suspicious enough to vote for. Up till now it had looked like a pretty clean game. Now however I think that we have finally seen a glimps of a watch member coming to the defence of a self confessed member of the watch. Now who would do such a thing. I would guess that a recruiter who was afraid to see his newly recruited killer die. Along that vein I would rather lynch a recruiter.

vote anthras

[Shadow]

 Path-Shaper, on 18 March 2010 - 05:15 AM, said:

Your sleep[y mod is here to tel you that

night has ended. no one died

15 of you are still alive. still takes 8 to lynch or go to night.

-ment

Using the timestamp from this post as the start of day, we have a little over 9 hours left today.

[Serc]

 Shadow, on 18 March 2010 - 08:09 PM, said:

 Path-Shaper, on 18 March 2010 - 05:15 AM, said:

Your sleep[y mod is here to tel you that

night has ended. no one died

15 of you are still alive. still takes 8 to lynch or go to night.

-ment

Using the timestamp from this post as the start of day, we have a little over 9 hours left today.

Hmm, I wont be back for the end of day then I dont think.

[Eloth]

 Gamelon, on 18 March 2010 - 08:08 PM, said:

 Anthras, on 18 March 2010 - 07:08 PM, said:

 Eloth, on 18 March 2010 - 07:03 PM, said:

 Anthras, on 18 March 2010 - 06:56 PM, said:

 Omtose, on 18 March 2010 - 06:31 PM, said:

If fener wanted out of the game, he'd just ask for modkill. So, I reckon he's definetely doing what he is for a reason. I would imagine that reason would be ignored. And look at that, there have been at least a couple of people encouraging us simply to ignore him, for reasons I think are stupid. Shadows meta reasoning for example-If he was having trouble playing, why not request modkill rather than waste our time.

I don't like fener, and I don't like the people advocating us ignoring him entirely.

There may be a very good reason to ignore him:

Quote

Vitaly Ragoza (The Mirror) - a minor Other who was not associated with either side, but was turned into the Mirror by the Twilight itself in order to correct the imbalance between the Night Watch and Day Watch in Moscow. As the Mirror, he had an ability to match the power level of any Other he was combating at the time. In the span of two weeks, he killed Tiger Cub and drained Svetlana's power. Upon completing his mission, he vanished into the Twilight.

(from wikipedia)

If he were this mirror he'd want people to lynch/attack him to increase his own power as he 'matches' them. If it's true, then we definitely do want to ignore and avoid him.

Isn't that the role of the Inquisition this game, making that redundant? Or are you advocating a possible single-member faction

Not necessarily seperate faction, could be an inquisition member, or count as an RI. Or not. Don't know, but it would match well with the idea of Fener wanting to be lynched and obviously acting in such a way as to draw NAs.
Or, to add plenty of WIFOM, Fener could be acting as if he were this role in the hopes that someone like me would point this character out and everyone'd be freaked out about him.

Anthras thank you so much. I have been trying to find something that some one has said that woud thatI find suspicious enough to vote for. Up till now it had looked like a pretty clean game. Now however I think that we have finally seen a glimps of a watch member coming to the defence of a self confessed member of the watch. Now who would do such a thing. I would guess that a recruiter who was afraid to see his newly recruited killer die. Along that vein I would rather lynch a recruiter.

vote anthras

Have you read his clarification/defense, Gamelon? And do you really think the recruiter would so blatantly stick his neck out for a recent recruit? I'm asking in all seriousness because I don't believe a recruiter would be that dumb, and that makes your vote suspect.

PS: can we get a vote update, please?

[Serc]

Ok what is the official vote count then? I'm off to bed now and i dont want to leave without placing a vote, but I dont want to put Fener at L-2, L-1 with so much time left on the clock.