[Ruse]

Gamelon, on 17 March 2010 - 04:42 PM, said:

Oh I see that I missed a nice day one speed lynch on Fener. I don't really have anything to add right now. It seems most of the discussion has been about the balance of the game and whether the inquisitors are going to let a lynch go through. My only thought right now is that if they don't let lynches go through this is going to be a long long game.

They need to survive to day 10, i think they want it to be fairly long

[Osseric]

I'm here, been a rough day. going to go catch up.

[Osseric]

Gamelon, on 17 March 2010 - 04:42 PM, said:

Oh I see that I missed a nice day one speed lynch on Fener. I don't really have anything to add right now. It seems most of the discussion has been about the balance of the game and whether the inquisitors are going to let a lynch go through. My only thought right now is that if they don't let lynches go through this is going to be a long long game.

before I head back to read, this post was the lst one I saw but it caught my eye, iirc the inquisitors want it to be a long long game.. 10 days to be precise

[Ruse]

Ok im off now, got to go to my grading hopefully night will be done by the time i get back

[Serc]

Hmm, judging by the speed at which GK resolved, I would think the Inquisition get to make a blanket call at the beginning of the dayabout which factions they want to allow to be lynched, rather getting the CF on a player then deciding.

At this stage I would think the inquisition would allow a lynch on either watch, but not on RIs or themselves, so Fener I would wager fener isn't watch at least.

[Ruse]

Actually id say right now that they wouldnt lynch anyone as the numbers on either watch are possibly too low to risk taking either of them down to a level where a lucky kill/vig would finish them

[Ruse]

ok now il be off...

[Shadow]

Omtose, on 17 March 2010 - 04:26 PM, said:

I'm around.

Fener was behaving wierd, but the case on him seems kind of insubstantial. Day one I suppose. It seems to be a rule that lynches give information. Which, while generally accurate, isn't really true. Lynches give information if they are based on something, and not just a collective agreement for little reason. Which this sort of seems to have been.

The thing is, fener seems to have had quite strong feelings about who is scum. His actions are certainly strange, but not overtly scummy, and I wonder if it would not have given us more information to lynch one of those he accused rather than him.

It also occurs to me that when he said tommorow he meant game time. Could be either though...

You're being kind of naive, IMO. The lynch wasn't done because of any particular thing Fener did, and it wasn't done primarily to get "information" about teams or anything. It was done to see what would happen, how the Inquisition would handle it, what kind of information we would be informed, if any, etc. He was picked simply for having 2 votes at the time the plan was made.

[Shadow]

Serc, on 17 March 2010 - 05:16 PM, said:

Hmm, judging by the speed at which GK resolved, I would think the Inquisition get to make a blanket call at the beginning of the dayabout which factions they want to allow to be lynched, rather getting the CF on a player then deciding.

At this stage I would think the inquisition would allow a lynch on either watch, but not on RIs or themselves, so Fener I would wager fener isn't watch at least.

I think it would be patently obvious that Fener is probably RI or an inquisitor knowing he couldn't be lynched. If he were a watcher, there's a lot of risk in hoping that the Inquisition doesn't want to let a lynch through Day 1. It's certainly good tactics, and I agree with everyone else that has said there's no real reason for them to let a lynch go through today unless they have information about the person's CF that may sway that decision, but the insta resolution either means they had a blanket 'provisional' in like Serc thinks, or they were online for the lynch and were able to resolve. But that's a messy game to track that... and rarely works out properly.

[Serc]

Ruse, on 17 March 2010 - 05:20 PM, said:

Actually id say right now that they wouldnt lynch anyone as the numbers on either watch are possibly too low to risk taking either of them down to a level where a lucky kill/vig would finish them

Hmm, it's a tricky line to walk though. Leave the watches alive to long and they get to strong, kill one watch member too soon and the other watch is a lot closer to winning.

[Serc]

Shadow, on 17 March 2010 - 05:33 PM, said:

Serc, on 17 March 2010 - 05:16 PM, said:

Hmm, judging by the speed at which GK resolved, I would think the Inquisition get to make a blanket call at the beginning of the dayabout which factions they want to allow to be lynched, rather getting the CF on a player then deciding.

At this stage I would think the inquisition would allow a lynch on either watch, but not on RIs or themselves, so Fener I would wager fener isn't watch at least.

I think it would be patently obvious that Fener is probably RI or an inquisitor knowing he couldn't be lynched. If he were a watcher, there's a lot of risk in hoping that the Inquisition doesn't want to let a lynch through Day 1. It's certainly good tactics, and I agree with everyone else that has said there's no real reason for them to let a lynch go through today unless they have information about the person's CF that may sway that decision, but the insta resolution either means they had a blanket 'provisional' in like Serc thinks, or they were online for the lynch and were able to resolve. But that's a messy game to track that... and rarely works out properly.

I don't know about patently obvious, we really had no idea how the inquisitors would handle the lynch. I wouldn't have put myself up for a lynch like that not knowing for a fact that I'd survive, but yeah, he is more likely RI. I dony think Ment would rely on the inquisitors seeing a CF first, it would kill the flow of the game and make it easier to guess who the inquisition are.

[Osseric]

The Fener thing was very odd indeed. But he had to have guessed that he would be left alive. As of right now the game is balanced. Why would the inquisitors allow a lynch to go through? It would only upset the balance. As of right now, the game is the most balanced it's going to be. LEtting a lynch go through would be an idiotic move. Even if Fener was the leader of one of the Watches... why would the inquisitors allow that NK? it will make it that much more difficult to balance the game later on as they are severely hamstringing one side...it would be like trying to drive in a straight line down the middle of the road with a flat tire.

Now, why would he instruct the inquisitors not to save him? Thats something I don't quite get. Maybe when he gets back on he can explain.

[Osseric]

I have some more thoughts, but will wait out night till I comment, as whether or not I want my views out there might change depending on the nights proceedings

[Alkend]

Serc, on 17 March 2010 - 03:34 PM, said:

How much time do we have left? I see there's a couple of votes on Fener, who seems to have imploded?

The votes on Fener seemed a bit jokey and there were only three, then he comes on and votes himself while talking semi-gibberish. I'm not entirely comfortable with what has happened, but with six votes on him now, I suppose we dont have any other options lynch wise.

vote fener

since I'm curious as to how the inquisitors are going to handle this and we need to test a lynch on someone.

This.

XD

It is just such a standard scum-distancing ploy, form someone who Fener said he was going to build a case on. If this was a normal game, I'd be jumping all over Serc tomorrow. But it's not, so I'm just gonna leave this. Thought it was funny enough to be worth sharing, though.

Now we wait for night to resolve.

[Ruse]

Osseric, on 17 March 2010 - 06:05 PM, said:

Now, why would he instruct the inquisitors not to save him? Thats something I don't quite get. Maybe when he gets back on he can explain.

Does make him look a lot like scum, doing a suicide like that.
Any inno who does a suicide like that/self vote in a normal game is a bloody idiot in my book, its a move that stinks to hell of scum! dont do it!

[Ruse]

Looks like were still waiting on resolution

[Ruse]

Bored!

[Eloth]

Alright, I'm caught up and actually have a vague of idea as to what has transpired so far, despite being on about 3 hours sleep.

As for Fener, I say we just ask him as he's still around why he wanted to die, as was suggested above. My speculation is someone who couldn't play much and just wanted to die. To do that as a power-role would be pretty damn shady.

We can also ask him about the Shadow/Serc and now Kalse accusations.

Btw, does anyone know if this is a hard 12 hour night, or shifting upon when actions come in? It's starting to look like the former.

[Osseric]

ewwwwwww long night is long.

I would assume that nights are resolved as soon as all NA's are in. Nothing in the OP stated differently

[Osseric]

Anyway, looks like night won't end before I gots to go to bed. I'll check back in 6-7 hours.