[Ruse]

Shadow, on 30 March 2010 - 06:35 PM, said:

Yes, Ruse. If you are a DW recruit with a killing power, you can kill Serc and snatch the win for your team, presuming Fener is innocent.

So you think Osseric recruited me and somehow the last few days trying to get him lynched have been distancing from me...?

[Osseric]

Night 1: Recruit kalse
Night 2: Recruit D'riss
Night 3: Recruit Spite
Night 4: Failed GL Kill
Night 5: Store up Power
Night 6: Kill Gaylord
Night 7: Blocked from Mirror of douchebaggery

[Shadow]

You recruited Spite the same night he got killed? That's got to be a kick in the teeth.

[Gamelon]

Ruse, on 30 March 2010 - 06:32 PM, said:

Well Gamelons shield is apparently still up (that stop all dark actions Gam?) so we dont need to lynch him today, we can lynch and neuter someone else in order to keep the balance then tomorrow we lynch Osseric and neuter him again then its day 10 and the balance has been maintained.

any problem you can see with that?

You are thinking that we are in balance right now. I haven't said that. Yes none of the DW actions will go through. Only NW actions can go through.

[Shadow]

Ruse, on 30 March 2010 - 06:38 PM, said:

Shadow, on 30 March 2010 - 06:35 PM, said:

Yes, Ruse. If you are a DW recruit with a killing power, you can kill Serc and snatch the win for your team, presuming Fener is innocent.

So you think Osseric recruited me and somehow the last few days trying to get him lynched have been distancing from me...?

It's possible. Not saying it's extremely likely, but I would not have pegged Game to be on Eloth's team, either.

[Shadow]

And Serc admits it, although it was kind of obvious.

[Osseric]

Shadow, on 30 March 2010 - 06:41 PM, said:

You recruited Spite the same night he got killed? That's got to be a kick in the teeth.

lol thats why your FM idea sounded plausible to me... as he was a vampire I thought maybe I recruited and he jumped bodies and I had a silent helper.. even sent a big post to SH about it. alas.. PS said that wasn't the case. and yes.. it blew donkey butt.

[Gamelon]

Serc, on 30 March 2010 - 06:38 PM, said:

Meh

vote Osseric

There's no way I can win at this point, my NA sucks and I've been punched in the face by high level players all game...

Nice to see that you have shown up.

[Ruse]

Ok so as dark actions cant go through it would possibly be a good idea to block the NW recruit via lynch.
The unknowns at the moment though are Fener (seriously i have absolutely no idea of a possible allegiance for him) and Shadow (I had him pegged as being with Osseric but he does seem to be going against him strongly and did hammer (accidently) yesterday) So it might be an idea to block one of those 2.

[Gamelon]

Osseric, on 30 March 2010 - 06:43 PM, said:

Shadow, on 30 March 2010 - 06:41 PM, said:

You recruited Spite the same night he got killed? That's got to be a kick in the teeth.

lol thats why your FM idea sounded plausible to me... as he was a vampire I thought maybe I recruited and he jumped bodies and I had a silent helper.. even sent a big post to SH about it. alas.. PS said that wasn't the case. and yes.. it blew donkey butt.

Well it does kind of serve you right for recruiting him. You had to know that there were several people out there who have vendetta against him. I think that GL was one of the them too.

[Ruse]

Yay forum seems to be back

[Ruse]

Well that downtime seemed to happen at a really awkward time.
Ok so as i dont think lynching Osseric is necessary while he's blocked

Remove Vote

However does anyone think there is a chance that Osseric and Gamelon cooked this up between them and its actually total rubbish?
EDIT: yes there hasnt been any counter reveals but iirc Fener hasnt been seen since Gam revealed either.
anyway i dont think its very likely just putting it out in case

This post has been edited by Ruse: 30 March 2010 - 08:54 PM

[Shadow]

Oh finally, the forum is back.

Really, though, this is quite the predicament. Ruse, if you were RI, I think you would want to vote night or even vote me or Fener instead of voting Serc. You're basically saying you're willing to trust Gamelon's reveal AND Osseric's reveals at face value and that the game isn't in any danger of ending tonight. But if you want to win as RI, then the game needs to into balance. If Osseric says he can kill someone, then you know he's just going to kill Serc tomorrow, although he says he's going to 'make a deal' to, presumably, survive today's lynch. The problem is, of course, Gamelon and Serc won't be on board with the deal, so Osseric has to get all 3 you, me, and Fener on board, assuming all 3 of us are not already on his team or are still recruitable. We could just time out and see what happens tonight, but tomorrow the game will basically be over.

If Serc has no killing power, I see no way for him to win this game by himself.
But Gamelon and the RIs can't win at all by current plans because lynching either Serc or Osseric wins the game for the other side.
The RIs can potentially win by voting WITH Osseric today, but only if there really are 3 people for Osseric to recruit. That is a GIANT if.

[Gamelon]

Oh finally we are back. Great. I had nothing but free time earlier and now I only have a couple of minutes.

[Shadow]

Now the problem, from MY standpoint is that I 1) Don't really know if Osseric is telling the truth, 2) Don't know who Fener is, and 3) Don't trust Ruse.

The way I see it, if Osseric has slightly altered his action 'results' listing from the truth, then Ruse got recruited somewhere in night 4 and night 5. Which means that voting to either lynch Fener or myself, regardless of Gamelon's intent to let us live or die, will result in a DW victory, because I assume the next night, when the mirror is down, Ruse will simply kill off Serc when Osseric is lynched again.

[Shadow]

Of course, it's always possible that Serc could kill off Ruse tonight and force the remaining players to 'make a decision' or something like that, but if the 'power level' stuff is true and you can only affect lower players, then it's possible Ruse may somehow be higher than Serc and that would mean it's a sure DW victory.

The only way I can see to ensure I have a CHANCE at winning this right now is to get rid of Ruse and, by proxy, one of Osseric's potential symps. If Osseric is going to bring one of us to victory anyway, it makes sense to go at each other right now.

[Ruse]

Shadow, on 30 March 2010 - 09:05 PM, said:

Oh finally, the forum is back.

Really, though, this is quite the predicament. Ruse, if you were RI, I think you would want to vote night or even vote me or Fener instead of voting Serc. You're basically saying you're willing to trust Gamelon's reveal AND Osseric's reveals at face value and that the game isn't in any danger of ending tonight. But if you want to win as RI, then the game needs to into balance. If Osseric says he can kill someone, then you know he's just going to kill Serc tomorrow, although he says he's going to 'make a deal' to, presumably, survive today's lynch. The problem is, of course, Gamelon and Serc won't be on board with the deal, so Osseric has to get all 3 you, me, and Fener on board, assuming all 3 of us are not already on his team or are still recruitable. We could just time out and see what happens tonight, but tomorrow the game will basically be over.

If Serc has no killing power, I see no way for him to win this game by himself.
But Gamelon and the RIs can't win at all by current plans because lynching either Serc or Osseric wins the game for the other side.
The RIs can potentially win by voting WITH Osseric today, but only if there really are 3 people for Osseric to recruit. That is a GIANT if.

your assuming that it isnt classed as balanced at the moment for VC sake.

Your right i have sort of been assuming that Gamelon was telling the truth about the mirror effecting all dark others, and really i can t see nay reason to lie about that becasue any DW are still going to try anyway so lying about it gains us nothing if he is inquisition.

Serc's a problem if he can kill, so neutering him might be useful. As to you and Fener. Your very unlikely to be NW since you were one of the main people against GL, therefore if youve been recruited your blocked today and i seem to be going back and forth on whether your with Osseric. Fener im definitely not sure about he could be just about anything right now.

[Ruse]

I still think your slightly off your rocker thinking im with Osseric. I spent yesterday trying to get him lynched and have been pointing fingers at him for a while.

If Osseric has a recruit then im thinking it was at that failed GL kill on his list and it could be Fener, after all he didnt vote for him yesterday.

[Gamelon]

Shadow, on 30 March 2010 - 09:05 PM, said:

Oh finally, the forum is back.

Really, though, this is quite the predicament. Ruse, if you were RI, I think you would want to vote night or even vote me or Fener instead of voting Serc. You're basically saying you're willing to trust Gamelon's reveal AND Osseric's reveals at face value and that the game isn't in any danger of ending tonight. But if you want to win as RI, then the game needs to into balance. If Osseric says he can kill someone, then you know he's just going to kill Serc tomorrow, although he says he's going to 'make a deal' to, presumably, survive today's lynch. The problem is, of course, Gamelon and Serc won't be on board with the deal, so Osseric has to get all 3 you, me, and Fener on board, assuming all 3 of us are not already on his team or are still recruitable. We could just time out and see what happens tonight, but tomorrow the game will basically be over.

If Serc has no killing power, I see no way for him to win this game by himself.
But Gamelon and the RIs can't win at all by current plans because lynching either Serc or Osseric wins the game for the other side.
The RIs can potentially win by voting WITH Osseric today, but only if there really are 3 people for Osseric to recruit. That is a GIANT if.

Are you insane? Seriously I have been meaning to ask you that all game. The only way for a RI to win is with me. If you guys go with Osseric then your not a RI any more. Plus there are 3 of you which means you would have to go 3 nights so that he could recruit all of you then another night for him to kill Serc. Serc who mean while is busy gaining in power and would hopefully get high enough to kill Osseric. Looks like a pickle to me.

[Shadow]

Well what do you people want to exactly? Vote Night? Voting Serc appears to be a pointless move if Gamelon is trying to let him power up.