[solblindi]

While speaking with Kalyth, destriant of the KCC, the undead Jaghut soldiers were describing Hood's betrayal of them and they specifically pointed out to Kaylth that:

"Instead, he abused you, child of Imass. And made of one his deadliest enemy."




To whom does this refer? Daseem Ultor is the only one that easily comes to mind.

Are the Jaghuts referencing Hood's betrayal at the first chaining and allowing Daseem's daughter's death.

I know they aren't saying Hood betrayed Kalyth but are they generalizing?




Or am I completely wrong?

[WhiskeyJackDaniels]

solblindi, on 11 March 2010 - 07:17 PM, said:

While speaking with Kalyth, destriant of the KCC, the undead Jaghut soldiers were describing Hood's betrayal of them and they specifically pointed out to Kaylth that:

"Instead, he abused you, child of Imass. And made of one his deadliest enemy."




To whom does this refer? Daseem Ultor is the only one that easily comes to mind.

Are the Jaghuts referencing Hood's betrayal at the first chaining and allowing Daseem's daughter's death.

I know they aren't saying Hood betrayed Kalyth but are they generalizing?




Or am I completely wrong?

You have it right. Child of Imass meant human and the one they are talking about is Dassem. The only correction I would make is that Dassem's daughter probably died at a later chaining, not the first.

[King Lear]

WhiskeyJackDaniels, on 11 March 2010 - 08:26 PM, said:

You have it right. Child of Imass meant human and the one they are talking about is Dassem. The only correction I would make is that Dassem's daughter probably died at a later chaining, not the first.

Dassem's daughter is not necessarily dead though, is she? She's seen in the Azath by Fiddler, Crokus and Co in DG I think (Can't check as my flatmate has currently kidnapped my book ). Given Rallick Nom and Vulcan's exit from the Azath House in Darujhistan, and the general belief that Kallam is going to survive his poisoning, it's not completely unlikely that she won't recover at some point...

[Aptorian]

Rallick and Vorcan were "merely" taken by the Finnest House. Kalam was put in there where time seems to not work, meaning that it might be possible to magically remove the poison before he really dies.

Dassems daughter is different because we don't know what happened to her. We merely know that Hood used her in the chaining of the CG. As far as I recall it also mentions that her body was pretty battered. The fact that she is shown lying in the Azath is of course and indication that she might return, but there's no way to be sure. For all we know Dassem put her in there to deny Hood her soul. She could already be dead.

[Silk]

Aptorian, on 12 March 2010 - 10:32 AM, said:

Rallick and Vorcan were "merely" taken by the Finnest House. Kalam was put in there where time seems to not work, meaning that it might be possible to magically remove the poison before he really dies.

Dassems daughter is different because we don't know what happened to her. We merely know that Hood used her in the chaining of the CG. As far as I recall it also mentions that her body was pretty battered. The fact that she is shown lying in the Azath is of course and indication that she might return, but there's no way to be sure. For all we know Dassem put her in there to deny Hood her soul. She could already be dead.

Well Chaur was put into the Finnest at Darujhistan to stop any further harm from happening and if memory serves me correctly, the absence of time has started a healing process within him ... this could mean that Dassem's daughter may also be in a similar state.

[WhiskeyJackDaniels]

Considering she must have been put in there years ago I think it's safe to assume she's dead. I think Dassem would have been able to find a High Denul healer by now and bargain with them to heal her. You know, as opposed to spending his time trying to hunt down and kill the God of Death.

[Sinisdar Toste]

or maybe he knows, through ST and Cot that in an azath time is stopped indefinitely, and anyone, despite their injuries can be held there in stasis for as long as is needed. maybe he doesn't know how to reverse what was done to her at the chaining and is waiting till he's sure she wont die.

or maybe she is dead, oonoes eh? oonoes.

[worry]

WhiskeyJackDaniels, on 12 March 2010 - 04:41 PM, said:

Considering she must have been put in there years ago I think it's safe to assume she's dead. I think Dassem would have been able to find a High Denul healer by now and bargain with them to heal her. You know, as opposed to spending his time trying to hunt down and kill the God of Death.

On the other hand, hunting down Hood may be less about revenge, and more about being the only thing that could save his daughter. It's possible she woke up, or began a recovery, as soon as Hood's head got lopped off. If that's not the case, it's also possible that Dassem was seeking to use his skill into extorting a deal with Hood to restore her life...and when Rake ends up killing Hood before that can happen, Dassem realizes his failure. His grief might not simply be about Rake.

[foolio]

just out of curiosity, do you think DU thinks hood is dead? Is his hunt over?
I think he saw his carcass in darujhistan.

[Abyss]

Good question. Technically, 'Hood' is dead, but the Jaghut leader who became Hood is back in the world, or at least Omtose Phellack.

I don't know if we'll get to see the reckoning in TCG, but a scene where Das' catches up and declares that he still wants revenge, and not-Hood drops to his knees and says 'Ok, fine, cut my head off. Been there, done that, wasn't so bad.', and Das walks away in frustration and disgust, would seem apropriate.

Which of course means SE would likely give us the opposite.

- Abyss, hopes we find out.

[beru]

'byss the oposite is far to predictable its more like what you would get if you:
turened 297.582 degrees to the left, walked 7.765483 miles, walked 8.2574 km north and then dug yourself down to grundwater and THEN saw what was under the random manhole you found there...


Beru trust in SE, SE is great ect...

[D'rek]

Abyss, on 12 March 2010 - 10:40 PM, said:

Good question. Technically, 'Hood' is dead, but the Jaghut leader who became Hood is back in the world, or at least Omtose Phellack.

Or maybe not. Hood could always have been his name (and I guess he just grew into the variations of it, like The Hooded One). It's a question of whether 'Hood' is the equivalent to 'Ammanas' or 'Shadowthrone'

[WhiskeyJackDaniels]

Considering when Raest talks with K'rul he references Hood by name, I think it has always been his name. But then again maybe Raest wasn't imprisoned until after assumed the role of Lord of Death.

[HoosierDaddy]

Considering when Hood probably switched from King of Ice/Jaghut to KHHD was after the Jaghuttan War that decimated them, I'm imagining it was before. But, that's an opinion.

[clanless]

H.D., on 13 March 2010 - 03:10 AM, said:

Considering when Hood probably switched from King of Ice/Jaghut to KHHD was after the Jaghuttan War that decimated them, I'm imagining it was before. But, that's an opinion.

Well does anyone know if the Jaghut tyrant's emerged before or after The Jaghut War? If before then Hood is probably his real name. If they emerged after then Raest probably doesn't know Hood's real name. For what it's worth I doubt that Hood is Hood's real name. It's very un Jaghut IMO.

[Bauchelain the Evil]

In GotM Raest says he was surprised that the other Jaghut allied to overthrow him which would implicate that he lived when the Jaghut society had already been shattered and thus after the war against Death. Also if Hood truly was King of Jaghuts/Ruler of Omtose Phellack and not, say, simply the leader of the Jaghut army, I doubt there would have been Tyrants.

[Sinisdar Toste]

i don't think raest ever calls him hood, does he? i thought he said "death wanderer"

[WhiskeyJackDaniels]

No he says both actually.

P. 443 GotM

Quote

The Jaghut Tyrant straightened to see a tall, black-shrouded figure emerge from the streambed. He cocked his head as the apparition approached. "You remind me of Hood. Is the Death Wanderer still alive?"