[Johnny Phoenix]

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Just curious. I am almost finished HoC and aside from Icarium I found the Seguleh to be some of the most fascinating characters in the series so far. After three take down entire armies, K'ell Hunters and of course Mok's ownage of Tool, I'm dying to be introduced to the First. With the third being so skilled I could only imagine that the First would be able to take apart even Karsa or Rake. Please don't post any spoilers, I just want to know if I will be encountering the First at some point. If not, do you guys think he's being saved for The Crippled God? It would seem strange if Erikson doesn't introduce him at all after building so much intrigue around him... or her.

[rhulad]

I haven't read DoD yet but so far, no, the First has not been in any of the books. I have been curious as well to see what the First could do...

[Sindriss]

At the moment, no. And I don't think we will see him in tCG either, he is just one of those characters you hear a bit about, but never get around to actually witnessing.

[anothevilbadguy]

Sindriss, on 19 February 2010 - 06:48 PM, said:

At the moment, no. And I don't think we will see him in tCG either, he is just one of those characters you hear a bit about, but never get around to actually witnessing.

I think there is a decent chance that he will appear in ICE's Darujhistan book. It will certainly involve Seguleh quite centrally.

[Johnny Phoenix]

Hmm... I plan on reading ICE's books after I finish the main series. I certainly hope that the First still appears in The Crippled God. It would really suck if Erikson decided to leave the First a total mystery.

[Harvester]

I think he'll appear sometime. Perhaps in the Toblakai trilogy or in one of ICE's forthcoming novels.
Maybe he spends his holidays on Assail - with these Seguleh... you never know.

Btw. ICE's books are intertwined with the main story arc, i.e. some of ICE's characters appear in Steven's novels and vice versa and ROTCG drastically changes certain ... things.

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[Johnny Phoenix]

How are they in comparison to Eriksons books? I've heard they are weaker.

[anothevilbadguy]

Johnny_Phoenix, on 20 February 2010 - 02:01 AM, said:

How are they in comparison to Eriksons books? I've heard they are weaker.

They are not as good, but still pretty excellent. Plus, there is less musing, which some people like (not me). RotCG is a marked improvement on Night of the Knives, and shows he can pretty much keep up with SE in juggling a multi-threaded narrative.
His characterisation is not as strong overall, in my opinion, but certain characters he deals with better than SE. Another negative, is he isnt as funny as SE, but SE makes me laugh more than any other author.

Overall, it is certainly worth picking them up, and RotCG is pretty much awesome, and whilst not integral to the main arc, it ties up threads that SE had started.

[caladanbrood]

Johnny_Phoenix, on 20 February 2010 - 12:27 AM, said:

Hmm... I plan on reading ICE's books after I finish the main series. I certainly hope that the First still appears in The Crippled God. It would really suck if Erikson decided to leave the First a total mystery.

Would it? I agree, he's much more likely to appear in ICE's books, but it's entirely possible that we'll never see him - I don't think that we will ever get a chapter based on the Seguleh island, and by the looks of it he never leaves there...

[Johnny Phoenix]

Well I was thinking that in the last book a whole bunch of the most powerful characters will have to get together to take on the Crippled God. This is relatively blind speculation for me since I'm only just finishing HoC. I'm pretty sure Erikson is going to throw a lot of twists my way with the next books but if he does decide to go the route of a good ol' epic showdown and given the Crippled Gods strength I could see the most powerful characters in the world teaming up for the final fight. That being said, the First would be with them.

[MTS]

I don't want the First to appear in the books - it would ruin the mystique. There's only so much fangasming we can do along the lines of 'OMGWTFBBQ HE JUST KILLED A MOTHERFUCKING DRAGON!' until we realise the things in our head were much cooler.

That's why I'm worried about ICE's novels. He's dealing with some of the biggest mysteries in the series - the Stormriders, Assail, the Tyrant of Darujhistan - I'm worried what's actually happening will be less cool than it possibly could have been. I hope to God I'm wrong, but still.

[Use Of Weapons]

Not yet. I believe this is because the appearance in print of the First would cause such a concentration of awesome in one place that the book would collapse into a black hole. And SE doesn't want that to happen.

[MTS]

Heh.

[Wampyry]

I thought the Sequleh First was Iskaral Pust who is actually Yoda in disguise. Well, maybe not

[Abyss]

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[Jade-Green Pig-Hog Swine-Beast]

Took you long enough to get around to this, didn't it?

[Abyss]

Jade-Green Pig-Hog Swine-Beast, on 09 February 2012 - 08:29 PM, said:

Took you long enough to get around to this, didn't it?

Took you long enough to figure out that there were a chunk of more recent posts, including one reported this am, that were deleted, didn't it?

[Jade-Green Pig-Hog Swine-Beast]

Abyss, on 09 February 2012 - 09:21 PM, said:

Jade-Green Pig-Hog Swine-Beast, on 09 February 2012 - 08:29 PM, said:

Took you long enough to get around to this, didn't it?

Took you long enough to figure out that there were a chunk of more recent posts, including one reported this am, that were deleted, didn't it?

...This is a possibility.

[worry]

Don't be snarky, it's mean!

[TabbyFL55]

Spoiler

There is a pretty bad-a$$ seguleh who appears in tCG, but it is not specifically stated what that person's rank is. However, I suspect it is the first.

There's another in RotCG, and I actually can't remember if that person's rank is revealed or not.

I don't think the above statement really spoil all that much.. but what the hey.