[Shadow]

Waiting on Kalse.

[Fener]

Surely, even if you're waiting on Kalse like the rest of us, you have some opinion on the proceedings? Even if Kalse comes on and says you're wrong, what's it gonna do to you?

[Shadow]

On what Proceedings? That you made a case against someone? Or that Liosan has been in and out and not doing anything but parroting? Or that Sorrit took a stab at HP and is apparently re-reading the entire thread? I posted my thoughts on the people who could be brides, bridesmaids, or assassins.

If Kalse tells me I am wrong, I will say how I came by that conclusion, and we will go from there. We have more than 24 hours left in the day.

[Rashan]

Fener, on 15 December 2009 - 08:55 PM, said:

So...I said I was leaving. And then lurked for 4 and a half hours before triggering an end of day kill, while viewing the thread, and then waited another four hours before coming back online? I would be fairly dedicated to set an alarm or something like that, tbh. True, it could have been a delayed effect, but that still seems weird. You can safely say I wasn't around to end day.

As for why I brought your lurking up, HP, it was because Korbas, one of the few players who we *know* for certain is fairly trustworthy, who gave us Kalse as a safe player, mentioned that they didn't like your lurking. No-one paid that any attention, and I was reading up, noticed that Korbas had suspicions of you. Hence, I mention you again, to make sure you get some attention. Don't worry, it wasn't out of the blue.

What's more intriguing that's just come up, however, is this:

Rashan, on 15 December 2009 - 06:02 PM, said:

Alkend, on 09 December 2009 - 03:19 AM, said:

Well ive managed most of the work i had to do but now my computer is being an absolute bitch and taking about 10 minutes to load a page, if it even does it at all.
From what i have managed to gather Spite revealed himself as a viper and was killed by the Bride because of it which i guess is what PB was talking about with his mention of quoting/ fake quoting PMs. This makes me wonder if its just reveals which will get you killed or if its any type of PM quoting, so id definitely recommend caution when talking about anything PS might have told you. This might have been obvious to everyone but i feel it needed to be said.
I have to say i dont like Karats vote for Fener as i find myself agreeing with Fener that Spite revealing who he was was not a good town move and i probably would have voted for him myself. Other than that i dont really know who to go for as i havent had a chance to do an indepth read, with all this work and my computer playing up.

Looking back at alkend, this quote does kind of seem like Alkend is pushing the light away from Fener.

Granted, I had just shouted loudly about Spite's reveal. Alkend agrees with methat it was a stupid thing. But, this is Rashan nicely pushing the light onto me, and....

Rashan, on 15 December 2009 - 05:52 PM, said:

Hood, on 15 December 2009 - 05:36 PM, said:

Well it not me.

So Me, Kalse and Sorrit.

Rashan seems reasonable so he seems inno.

Alkend, fener, shadow and liosan must be the scum.

I suppose this is possible... I have nothing more than gut to go on regarding alkend... but, his posting style and one post imparticular hinted at a possible role he had. Thats why I was thinking he was inno. I have been wrong many times before in this stupid game.

Awwwwww, isn't that nice? Hood's Path calls you inno, so you lap up hwhat he's saying? Every innocent player here is operating on the assumption, I hope, that they and Kalse plus Sorritt are inno. Anyone can state that, and yet both you and HP seem to accept each other as inno? THAT is not WCS. THAT is not innocent thinking. That's the thinking of partners - mayhap you are partners on the inno team...but given the likely layout of today's sides, I would suggest more that you're Bride supporters who know each other...or perhaps one of you is even the Bride herself.

I also find Shadow's assumption of the two votes for Kalse strange, but whatever. I'm gonna go with my gut here, and place a vote...because I really don't like the blatant back-patting and comforting that is going on between these two, when the only two characters who should be remotely acting like they are together aren't gonna be innos.

Vote Hood's Path

Told you I'd be back in full force. Happy?

@ Fener- Woah, easy there turbo- In no way shape or form did I Put HP on my Inno list. In fact , I have him on my probable bride team list. HP made that quote of his list and it made me reconsider my stance on alkend, that fits hand in hand with what you are saying. I shouldn't have been giving Alk. a free pass from scrutiny. As far as I know HP or alk are the Bride. The only ppl I KNOW i am not voting for today are Sorrit, Kalse and Myself.

A good point was brought up by sorrit that HP seemed to be trying to point out that no one else was on at the time of the early day termination. It really is of no note that there are more viewers than active posters. I know I keep my browser open at work for extended periods of time. It seems odd to bring it up. By the same token, it's silly for Fener to clear himself from being the person that did it simply because he wasn't around. A simple provisional is all it would take. Or you could drop in tell PS what to do and take off without posting. its all Wifom. I know PB encourages it, but the meta of who was on when seems like an excercise in futility.

[Shadow]

My suspects are, in this order:

HP
Liosan
Rashan
Alkend
Fener

For Bride-Team. As for Assassin, well I'm pretty sure it isn't Kalse or Sorritt or Me.

[Sorrit]

There really isn't much stuff out there at all, I must say. Maybe I'm just not looking properly, I don't know. Anyway, here's what I gleaned:

Hood's Path - I don't like his actions over the last day or so, as I've already said. Before that, there isn't a whole lot to go on really.

Rashan - Initially, I put him down as one of the more likely players to be an inno. But I'm not so sure any more. His play over the last day has reminded me of myself when I'm scum - sitting on top of the game and trying to chivy it along when it gets slow - agreeing with most things people say. My gut says he's suspicious.

Alkend - I thought he was a bit too inquisitive about all things reveal related for my liking. I've also noticed that he has said things that could be construed as symping Fener on more than one occasion. As a matter of fact, I could see Alkend as either a symp to the Bride or as the Assassin...

Fener - He has generally made a fair bit of sense. People have gone after him a couple of times on very weak justifications and had them shot down, which might ring a few alarm bells were it not for the fact that the very weak justifications were very weak. Has had a few sympish comments from Alkend.

Shadow - I can't get my head around why scum would be bringing up stuff about Kalse having a double vote (whether it was true or not). It's not the kind of thing I'd really be on the lookout for if I were scum, as I'd be wanting to kill Kalse anyway and don't really need a secondary justification. Possibly a symp trying to do something that looks clean? I really can't see it though.

Liosan - On Day 1 he made a very forced case on Korbas. It read to me like an inno looking for a way to contribute at the time. In his most recent post, he mentions that he doesn't think Kalse could have a double vote, since he was on the Korbas train. As I said about Shadow, were I scum I can't see myself caring all that much about this double vote thing - Kalse needs to be gotten rid of anyway from their point of view.

So for the moment, the most likely combination of scum as I see it is probably:

Bride - Fener
Bridesmaid - Alkend
Assassin - Hood's Path/Rashan

[Alkend]

Ok, here for briefly.
Firstly on the day end, i see what Rashan (?) was saying about hP acting a bit strangely just before it happened so it could have been him i suppose, but if it was a scum action then he was being a bit obvious about it so im not totally convinced it was him.
My suspicions atm for Brides faction are obviously amongst Fener, HP, Liosan and Shadow and im really not sure which ones could be as theyve all looke bit dodgy so ive not really been getting that many inno vibes from any of them.
I didnt include Rashan in that list because at the moment my guts telling me he could be the assassin, as his little afterthought bit after his case saying how we would need the assassins help to lynch the Bride struck me as the assassin who just realised that some inno might come along and notice the assassin would be needed as well and draw conclusions that Rashan could be the assassin. I know thats very thin but its stuff like that and my gut that makes me think he could be the assassin.

On the double vote thing, im not sure, while i cant see any evidence to suggest it as all the trains so far have had the required number of people iirc, i also cant actually see any reason for someone to make it up. So it might be useful if Kalse could confirm it or not as i cant see that it could do any harm for us to know.

[Sorrit]

And now I'm off to bed, as I have a busy day tomorrow.

[Rashan]

Ok, i am here for 15 more min then am out for the night. Good to see alkend and Sorrit with their thoughts. I agree with Sorrit's reasoning (Fitting into his view of me being agreeable, i know) , with the exception of Shadow, I think he is more suspicious Than me. I am getting the same gut feeling about him, that you have of me except I think he is bride side.

@ Alkend- My little after post was made because it occured to me that if it was WCS and there are 3 Bride side people remaining, we would need 5 for a lynch, this isn't do able w/o the assassin... It was a not so subtle hint to the assassin that if he believed WCS he would have to be playing with us on this lynch train. If I was the assassin, why would I put a post in thread telling myself what I needed to do? That being said, with this few ppl remaining everyone is going to come under some scrutiny. Thats to be expected.

If I don't post again I will leave with my list:

Bride: Shadow
Bridesmaid: Fener
Assassin: Liosan/Hp/Alkend (i don't really know, If I had to guess I'd say Liosan)


I am closing up shop i will try to check in once more before I am out.

[Alkend]

Yeah i know it probably wasnt anything, but when i read it i was a bit suspicious of you so it stood out.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 6. 23 hours and 1 minute remains.

8 players still alive: Alkend, Fener, Hood's Path, Kalse, Liosan, Rashan, Shadow, Sorrit

5 votes are required to lynch.

1 Vote Hood's Path (Fener)

Players who have not voted: Alkend, Hood's Path, Kalse, Liosan, Rashan, Shadow, Sorrit

---

Heading home from work.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 6. 19 hours and 16 minutes remain.

8 players still alive: Alkend, Fener, Hood's Path, Kalse, Liosan, Rashan, Shadow, Sorrit

5 votes are required to lynch.

1 Vote Hood's Path (Fener)

Players who have not voted: Alkend, Hood's Path, Kalse, Liosan, Rashan, Shadow, Sorrit

---

[Kalse]

What a crazy mess. So everyone's waiting on me, huh? Well sorry for the delay, but they do unfortunately frown upon me logging into mafia mid-exam.

Anyways, it was nice of you all (or at least, most of you) to summarize all your thoughts on each other. I'd surely like it if Beatrix's faction was only 2 people, but as you say, we have to go with WCS and thus, let's keep it to 3 brides-folk and the assassin for now. Shadow, I don't know where you figured the idea that I could have double-voting power, but the whole "confirm or deny" and then I'll explain bit seems suspicious as hell to me, so I'm going to hold out until you explain before I confirm or deny. After all, most people seem to trust me right now, but the same can't be said for you.

As for who I think is scum, I certainly feel that Lio, HP and Shadow are acting the most suspiciously, but that's not necessarily indicative of scum, just bad play sometimes. Honestly I'd think the scum would be trying much harder to keep their game together than Shadow and HP have been doing so far, as the numerous pointers to 'suspicious' activity in their posting point out.

Hence, I must then turn to Alk, Rash and Fener. They've all got good play, made logical points and been generally useful... which is exactly why I'm suspicious of course! Of the 3, Fener is the one I feel is least likely of the bridal party (but not out of the running for assassin), his play speaks to me of not working with any other players or trying to conceal himself quite as much. Rash and Alk both instinctively appeal to my trusting emotions as well, but what worries me about them is that in the last 2 pages:
-Lio's regular parroting routine was a big agreement with Rashan (about Shadow being suspicious)
-Rash says he feels he can trust Alk unlike the rest of everyone
-Alk thinks Rash is the assassin, shortly after Rash points out how we need the Assassin for the lynch
-Shadow gives Alk a neutral stance by saying he has no read on him
-HP believes Rash is inno

Rash and Alk have vast amounts of people believing them to be inno, agreeing with them or otherwise supporting them towards not getting lynched. Now obviously this is bound to happen with more useful players who naturally appear more inno, but a good scum would be doing just that to gain everyone's trust at this exact time (and all throughout the game before, in small doses, as they've also done). Considering that we're going on the model that 4 innos and an assassin should all be entirely skeptical about everyone else (except me and Sorrit!) right about now, there's an awful lot of pandering to those two. Obviously some of it must be honest-belief on the part of innos who have no idea who they are, but with such high amounts of it I believe that one of these 2 may be the Bride and is being supported by both her allies, attemptedly subtly.

[Fener]

Finally. Been waiting all day for you to show up, Kalse! XD

Out of your Bridal candidates, I'd learn towards Rashan, due to my previous inkling of a link between him and Hood's Path. It could very well be that HP was signalling to the Bride (assuming Bridal allies know the Bride but not the other way around), albiet poorly.

I certainly agree with your assessment that this is currently a mess of a situation.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 6. 17 hours and 39 minutes remain in the day. In 1 hour and 39 minutes, 16 hours and 0 minutes will remain in the day.

8 players still alive: Alkend, Fener, Hood's Path, Kalse, Liosan, Rashan, Shadow, Sorrit

5 votes are required to lynch.

1 Vote Hood's Path (Fener)

Players who have not voted: Alkend, Hood's Path, Kalse, Liosan, Rashan, Shadow, Sorrit

---

Beatrix didn't mind waiting. She had waited four years in a coma, and then a little longer for her body to be in good enough shape to fight, and a little longer for Hanzo to craft her a sword.

Now she was waiting outside of a diner. Word on the street was that someone of great interest to her ate there at a certain time every day. She wanted to make sure she met this individual.

Beatrix stopped scanning the street and turned instead to her thoughts. She had accomplished over half of her mission. O-Ren Ishii, Budd, and Vernita Green were all dead. Bill and Elle would soon follow.

Of course, not everyone killed in the process was responsible for the Bride's incapacitation, but she would not let anyone stop her from getting her revenge, not when she was so close to carrying out her own brand of justice. Justice that had been a long time coming. Justice that had all of the time in the world.

And so, she waited.

Beep beep beep. Beep beep beep. Her wristwatch alarm went off. She looked at the time, turned off the alarm, and smiled.

Aaaaany time now.

The day was halfway over.

---

Bed time. Play nicely, all

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 16 December 2009 - 06:18 AM

[Shadow]

My vote dosen't count, and since Korbas needed +1, when he died at his +1(with me on the train), I verifed with PS that he didn't count my non-counting vote, which means that either Korbas lied about needing 1 extra vote, which he would have no reason to do at that point in the game, or someone had double vote power. I am hoping it is you, and not the bride/assassin.

[Kalse]

Shadow, on 16 December 2009 - 02:31 PM, said:

My vote dosen't count, and since Korbas needed +1, when he died at his +1(with me on the train), I verifed with PS that he didn't count my non-counting vote, which means that either Korbas lied about needing 1 extra vote, which he would have no reason to do at that point in the game, or someone had double vote power. I am hoping it is you, and not the bride/assassin.

Interesting. I do not have such a power, my votes count as usual. Hmm, at the time I didn't think anything of it, but the day 1 lynch had an extra vote as well. It seemed like it was just because the last 2 were in very quick succession, but I'm going to look at that too.

[Kalse]

Here's the 2 vote blocks:

Path-Shaper, on 11 December 2009 - 06:37 PM, said:

It is Day 3. 6 hours and 45 minutes remained at the time the final vote was cast.

16 players still alive: Alkend, Barghast, D'riss, Eloth, Fener, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kalse, Karatallid, Korbas, Liosan, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Rashan, Shadow, Sorrit

9 votes are required to lynch.

1 Vote Barghast (Karatallid)
9 Votes Korbas (Kalse, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Shadow, Galayn Lord, Korbas, Alkend, Rashan, Liosan, Sorrit)

Players who have not voted: Barghast, D'riss, Eloth, Fener, Hood's Path

Path-Shaper, on 10 December 2009 - 02:08 PM, said:

It is Day 2. 21 minutes remained when the final vote was cast.

17 players still alive: Alkend, Barghast, D'riss, Eloth, Fener, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kalse, Karatallid, Korbas, Liosan, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Rashan, Shadow, Sorrit, Tellan

9 votes are required to lynch.

1 Vote Fener (Eloth)
1 Vote Liosan (Galayn Lord)
1 Vote Sorrit (Shadow)
2 Votes Barghast (Tellan, Karatallid)
10 Votes Tellan (Mockra, Kalse, Barghast, Korbas, Alkend, Karatallid, D'riss, Liosan, Tellan, Hood's Path)

Not voted: Alkend, D'riss, Fener, Olar Ethil, Rashan, Sorrit

[Kalse]

So what I'm thinking here, is that Korbas, as he said, required an extra vote, so his train of:

Kalse, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Shadow, Galayn Lord, Korbas, Alkend, Rashan, Liosan, Sorrit

should add up to 9 votes with 10 voting power. Then Tellan has 10 votes when he needed only 9, so I think he also required an extra vote against him, but the person with double voting power was not on the train (and neither was Shadow, the 0-vote), so his train of:

Mockra, Kalse, Barghast, Korbas, Alkend, Karatallid, D'riss, Liosan, Tellan, Hood's Path

should also add up to 10 = 1 vote per person.

(bold people are the ones still alive)

Thus I surmise that there's a single person with double-voting power, and that they are on the first train, but not the second. Of the people alive, that's Rashan or Sorrit. Of course, there's also the possibility of it being Olar or Galayn...

[Shadow]

Mockra
Kalse
Korbas
Alkend
Liosan

Are the only ones on both. I assume Korbas would have informed us if he had a double. You claim to not. I do not.

Mockra, Alkend, Liosan.

Who did Mockra CF as?