[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 5 hours, 41 minutes remain.

17 players still alive: Alkend, Barghast, D'riss, Eloth, Fener, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kalse, Karatallid, Korbas, Liosan, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Rashan, Shadow, Sorrit, Tellan

9 votes are required to lynch.

1 Vote Fener (Olar Ethil)
1 Vote Galayn Lord (Rashan)
1 Vote Tellan (Spite)
1 Vote Rashan (Galayn Lord)
1 Vote Korbas (Liosan)
1 Vote Eloth (Sorrit)

Not voted: Alkend, Barghast, D'riss, Eloth, Fener, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Korbas, Mockra, Shadow

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[Korbas]

Liosan, on 08 December 2009 - 11:27 PM, said:

It is so cuddly it almost makes me want to remove my vote. For now though, I don't see a better alternative so I will leave my vote where it is. Back in a bit.

I think we've made enough mistakes for one day, actually, without knowing what is going to happen at night either, but pile on the votes if you really can't resist the urge.

[Fener]

Fucking hell. Personally, I would have been voting for Spite for even *trying* to reveal as a Viper - a person who TWO PEOPLE will want to see dead that night - on day one to try and save their own ass.

Would have made me look like an idiot when Spite did turn out to be O-ren, but hey, that's this game for you.

Spite was playing way too weird, including a day-one reveal, imo. These last two/three pages were just full of fucking bull shit from all sides.

FUCK.

/rant

Gonna go and relax a bit after reading all that shit...be back in 30 minutes.

[Sorrit]

Olar Ethil, on 08 December 2009 - 03:05 AM, said:

vote fener


seriously, what a tool to reveal. just got home form work, will be on for the next 3 or so hours.


EDIT: the baord is seiously hating on me leaving blank lines b/w sentences. what is up with that?

I try not to read too much into the Page 1 joking around stuff, so this doesn't really work for me.

Rashan, on 08 December 2009 - 05:37 PM, said:

Let me preface this by saying that it's day one and Gut plays a huge roll, unless scum is stupid and comes on thread drunk is misunderstood and reveals

Ok did a full read through while it's still able to be done in a timely manner. Couple things popped out including the entirety of GL's posts. Seems to me like he is popping in and padding the post count, asking questions, trying to seem like he is in the game.. it's early and it might be nothing, but I have seen a lot of scum work there way into a game this way.

Galayn Lord, on 08 December 2009 - 08:07 AM, said:

Checking in.

Why can't we say the Bride's real name? It's not even anything special, it's only B*EEEEEEEEEEEP*e

Galayn Lord, on 08 December 2009 - 08:13 AM, said:

Olar Ethil, on 08 December 2009 - 03:46 AM, said:

hmm, so, nobody's here, i'm gonna sit down and speculate


this game seems rather straightforward. we've got Town, who must defend the vipers, and we got the Bride, who wants to kill the vipers, and we got the assasin who wants to kill everyone.

so, assuming the assassin is the pred role, with some serious BPs or double kills, i'm gonna leave him for now, and try to figure out who could be helping out the Bride.
the one person who instantly comes to mind is Pai Mei. maybe Hattori, too.

in either case, seems the smartest thing for the town is to try to eliminate the Bride.

however, unless anything better pops up, I want to vote off Fener for his moronic "reveal"

Oh, a post who is neither ascii puns nor dragonsex!

Not sure what you mean by "We need the Assassin dead and he must be hard to kill, so let's keep him for late in the game" bit.

Galayn Lord, on 08 December 2009 - 08:19 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 07 December 2009 - 08:21 AM, said:

• You make quote and/or fake quote your PMs. Just be careful, as The Bride is always watching you.
• If killed, you will be asked to stay on your alt.

Anyone has any idea what these two things mean?

Galayn Lord, on 08 December 2009 - 08:35 AM, said:

"asked to stay on your alt" means that your identity won't be CFed? Doesn't sound like the same thing to me.

<SNIP>

So after all that, not a lot to go on, just wanted to get my thoughts out there. The whole Spite convo that Tellan brought up above my post here.. I don't read too much into. They were basically arguing 2 different things and got cross mojinated. At this point I am going to:

vote Gaylan Lord

It's day 1. I don't like how he came out of the gate. Sure we could go for the more vocal players ( in classic Malaz mafai style) but I think as we get down to the end we will want those vocal players around, they not only give us more evidence to work with down the line, they are usually the ones that end up sniffing out the rat.

I will be off and on all day, my company Christmas party is on tonight so i might be a bit tipsy later

Edit wording/punctuation

It's not something I really look for myself, but I can kind of see his point. Then we have the counter-argument:

Galayn Lord, on 08 December 2009 - 09:19 PM, said:

Actually, strike that.

remove vote
So he starts by quoting all my posts, saying I'm "padding my posts" because I discuss the rules, where some points were important to me at the time to understand.

Then he says he agrees we should put priority on the Assassin, then quotes a post he finds suspicious by Korbas where Korbas says it's useless to set priorities early in the game, then says he agrees with Eloth that it's useless to set priorities early in the game.

So, basically, a bunch of quotes and conclusions that make no sense put together, besides the fact that it looks interested and "serious" work (or maybe, a need to symp Eloth subtly while forgetting to make that sympage compatible with the rest of his post). And he has the balls to vote me off saying I'll be useless later in the game.

vote Rashan


edit: got "Bride" and "assassin" mixed up

Now this doesn't seem like reasonable cause for an OMGUS vote. Certainly, Rashan's arguments are weak, but on Day 1 that doesn't necessarily equate to scummy. It's definitely an extreme reaction, and one I'm not sure is natural.

Liosan, on 08 December 2009 - 09:24 PM, said:

Korbas, on 08 December 2009 - 08:59 PM, said:

Spite, on 08 December 2009 - 08:50 PM, said:

for gods sake your not meant to run off mid argument tellan. whats the point of me trying to make a point if you are not going to respond to it?

Instead of laughing the argument off, this could be considered silencing it to death?

I think this post by Korbas is scummy. Spite posted over half an hour after Tellan's post, and had only given Tellan an hour to respond to it, hardly silencing the argument to death, especially as there were very few posts in between to distract from it. It feels like Korbas is stretching too hard to make Tellan look scummy.

Vote Korbas.

Pretty weak sauce, really. Don't quite see what he's getting at here.

Then, for completeness, here's my own vote:

Sorrit, on 08 December 2009 - 09:46 PM, said:

The way Day 1s have been going recently, I fully expect the scum to be keeping their heads down early on. So I'm looking at Alkend and Eloth, who both showed up a little after Spite had his outburst over Korbas. Both of them shied away from commenting on it, which I find strange. Spite's post was very illogical, which should have raised a comment. Seems like both of them were trying to stay under the radar by trying to ignore what could potentially be an explosive issue. Instead, they focus on Fener's case, which was well trodden ground by that point and unlikely to get them in trouble.

Of the two, I find Eloth more suspicious. Here's why:

Eloth, on 08 December 2009 - 03:44 PM, said:

Well back and around for a little bit. Unfortunately busy day and haven't had time to contribute.

Looking at whats out there, perhaps I'm getting slow but I can't see that reveal of Fener's that Olar is talking about.
Shadow quoted Fener as saying, "I am the Assassin", and Fener made some sort of joke about someone else using a phrase that means "I am the Assassin" but I didn't see any reveal so Olar has me confused. Or are you reading Shadows quote Olar as Feners reveal?

If I was going to pick anything from it i'd say its a symp move signalling to The Bride, "I know you can kill I'm your symp". But that strikes me as pretty unlikely.

Translation: This isn't really strong enough for me to voice my support, but let me raise a possibility in the hope that someone else gets things rolling.

Eloth, on 08 December 2009 - 03:56 PM, said:

Crosspost with Alkend there. Whats up with all these people and the priorities? The chances of us finding out who both The Bride and Assassin are on the same day is probably around 0. What 2 seperate Finders are going to reveal at the same time in a cross posting fiasco?

Instead of this priority nonesense, I think we should just try and find scum or since its Day 1, anyone who looks slightly shifty and hope its scum.

Unfortunately at the moment its starting to look we might be heading the classic, speed lynch anyone on Day 1 path.

Also, Mod can we have a list of alts playing and total player numbers? That would be handy.

Reasonable sentiments about the priorities, I suppose. But thinking it's going to go down the speedlynch route when there's 13 hours left is a bit premature. And the use of 'us' and 'we' seems a bit forced here. He's trying too hard to convince people that he's part of the team. It's all about keeping his head down and hoping that the arguments will pass him right by.

Vote Eloth

I'll admit that this is not a very strong case, really. Tellan and Kalse responded, neither of them sounding overly defensive in their responses. But I thought it was worth trying something different, and Eloth did leave an impression of trying to fit in in my mind.

Of the votes on the table, Rashan's vote for Galayn Lord seems the strongest, particularly given the way GL reacted so spikily. While I'm not 100% convinced that we need a lynch this evening, I'd like to leave open the possibility of getting one if need be, and to me GL is the best candidate.

Remove Vote

Vote Galayn Lord

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 5 hours, 6 minutes remain.

17 players still alive: Alkend, Barghast, D'riss, Eloth, Fener, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kalse, Karatallid, Korbas, Liosan, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Rashan, Shadow, Sorrit, Tellan

9 votes are required to lynch.

1 Vote Fener (Olar Ethil)
2 Votes Galayn Lord (Rashan, Sorrit)
1 Vote Rashan (Galayn Lord)
1 Vote Korbas (Liosan)

Not voted: Alkend, Barghast, D'riss, Eloth, Fener, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Korbas, Mockra, Shadow, Tellan

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This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 09 December 2009 - 12:20 AM

[Liosan]

Back for a bit. Gonna remove vote because my case wasn't that strong to begin with, and it doesn't look like it's going to result in a lynch anyway.

Remove Vote

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 4 hours, 26 minutes remain.

17 players still alive: Alkend, Barghast, D'riss, Eloth, Fener, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kalse, Karatallid, Korbas, Liosan, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Rashan, Shadow, Sorrit, Tellan

9 votes are required to lynch.

1 Vote Fener (Olar Ethil)
2 Votes Galayn Lord (Rashan, Sorrit)
1 Vote Rashan (Galayn Lord)

Not voted: Alkend, Barghast, D'riss, Eloth, Fener, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Korbas, Liosan, Mockra, Shadow, Tellan

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Headed home. I should be heavily around near the last hour or two, but may be semi missing for the next couple of hours.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 09 December 2009 - 12:55 AM

[Karatallid]

Fener, on 08 December 2009 - 11:41 PM, said:

Fucking hell. Personally, I would have been voting for Spite for even *trying* to reveal as a Viper - a person who TWO PEOPLE will want to see dead that night - on day one to try and save their own ass.

Would have made me look like an idiot when Spite did turn out to be O-ren, but hey, that's this game for you.

Spite was playing way too weird, including a day-one reveal, imo. These last two/three pages were just full of fucking bull shit from all sides.

FUCK.

/rant

Gonna go and relax a bit after reading all that shit...be back in 30 minutes.

THIS IS JUST FUCKING STOOOO-PED.

You would vote for a viper? How does a fake reveal as viper (when there are 2 targets pointing at him...assasin and bride) hurt town? Even if he was the assassin, the bride would attack him. vica versa with the bride. And if he was town, then he would have pulled 2 NK's as both want him dead. So what the fuck do you mean "I would have voted him for revealing as a viper.

Vote Fener

[Karatallid]

Damn, I hate dead hours. I'll check back later. I am glad to see that day picked up some.

[Barghast]

Here for long enough to reread. Will be back to comment later.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 2 hours, 47 minutes remain.

17 players still alive: Alkend, Barghast, D'riss, Eloth, Fener, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kalse, Karatallid, Korbas, Liosan, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Rashan, Shadow, Sorrit, Tellan

9 votes are required to lynch.

2 Votes Fener (Olar Ethil, Karatallid)
2 Votes Galayn Lord (Rashan, Sorrit)
1 Vote Rashan (Galayn Lord)

Not voted: Alkend, Barghast, D'riss, Eloth, Fener, Hood's Path, Korbas, Liosan, Mockra, Shadow, Tellan

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[Barghast]

I see we've already greatly lessened our chances of winning. Good job guys. Both one of the Bride's targets and a likely roled character down before the day one lynch.

[Fener]

@Karatallid, because anyone who is willing to reveal when they have TWO votes? Either they're lying their ass off, or they're fucking invincible, and lying their ass off.

Now, this game can get a bit heated at times...but would you reveal as Viper...as one of a select few people who will be PRIME TARGET ONE for two scum, just because you are getting into an argument with one person, an argument the rest of us would have been quite happy to ignore? At L-3? Sure. L-2? Almost certainly. But it's not like revealing did town any favours WHEN YOU ARE ACTUALLY O-REN. Because we get CF anyway.
If he was roleless inno, sure, it's a good play...if we lynch, no real harm done. If it attracts NK attention, it diverts from the *real* Vipers. What Spite did was SUICIDE for a real Viper. That's fucking betraying the town. Hence, no real Viper would be that much of a fucking idiot. Hence, I would vote Spite on the claim as clearly they aren't actually a Viper, and are more likely to be, oh, I dunno, the Bride's ally, or the Assassin themself (perhaps with a BP?), we don't know. What we do know, is that a Viper should not fucking reveal themself on day fucking one with NO FUCKING PRESSURE.

Seriously, it's a lose-lose move. Sure, two scum target the same person tonight ('cept they didn't, 'cuz Spite DIED STRAIGHT AFTER REVEALING BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T READ THE WARNING), and then what? Instead of striking out randomly, they hit, for certain, a Viper. Which, btw, is bad, unless that Viper has two BP's.
Now, what if they both decide to waste no kill on it, because the other scum will? Then Spite lives tomorrow and we get fucking WIFOM hell until they die.

See? Lose-lose. Short of Spite being pretty damn certain that Tellan is the Bride/Assassin, and the suicide reveal was trying to show us that by way of conviction (which is useless because Spite didn't point any fingers), what the fuck have we gained from that idiotic reveal?

[Olar Ethil]

catching up

how much time left?

[Olar Ethil]

Path-Shaper, on 08 December 2009 - 10:59 PM, said:

<br /><i>Fft fft fft fft fft</i>. <br /><br />Footsteps move quickly through the underbrush, bee-lining the fancy establishment. Inside, an argument is clearly brewing.<br /><br />&quot;Enough, gentlemen! You dare show insolence to a leader of the Yakuza?!&quot; The voice, that of O-Ren Ishii, was hostile and adamant. &quot;Now, cease this FOOLISH bickering AT ONCE!&quot;<br /><br />The room was silent, but only for a moment.<br /><br /><i>CRASH</i><br /><br />A large window suddenly shattered. There was a sudden gasping and gargling sound.<br /><br />O-Ren Ishii lay in her chair, a look of complete shock and horror on her face as she realized that a pair of shurikens lay buried in her throat. She feebly reached to grab them...<br /><br />The last thing she probably thought was, <i>What the hell just happened?</i><br /><br /><b>Spite (O-Ren Ishii) has been executed by The Bride for revealing.</b><br />

<br /><br /><br />


son of a mother-f%^&ing b^&$h!!!!

that's just really not cool.

the Bride's got daykills?

le sigh

[Alkend]

Well ive managed most of the work i had to do but now my computer is being an absolute bitch and taking about 10 minutes to load a page, if it even does it at all.
From what i have managed to gather Spite revealed himself as a viper and was killed by the Bride because of it which i guess is what PB was talking about with his mention of quoting/ fake quoting PMs. This makes me wonder if its just reveals which will get you killed or if its any type of PM quoting, so id definitely recommend caution when talking about anything PS might have told you. This might have been obvious to everyone but i feel it needed to be said.
I have to say i dont like Karats vote for Fener as i find myself agreeing with Fener that Spite revealing who he was was not a good town move and i probably would have voted for him myself. Other than that i dont really know who to go for as i havent had a chance to do an indepth read, with all this work and my computer playing up.

[Kalse]

Fener, on 09 December 2009 - 02:38 AM, said:

@Karatallid, because anyone who is willing to reveal when they have TWO votes? Either they're lying their ass off, or they're fucking invincible, and lying their ass off.

Now, this game can get a bit heated at times...but would you reveal as Viper...as one of a select few people who will be PRIME TARGET ONE for two scum, just because you are getting into an argument with one person, an argument the rest of us would have been quite happy to ignore? At L-3? Sure. L-2? Almost certainly. But it's not like revealing did town any favours WHEN YOU ARE ACTUALLY O-REN. Because we get CF anyway.
If he was roleless inno, sure, it's a good play...if we lynch, no real harm done. If it attracts NK attention, it diverts from the *real* Vipers. What Spite did was SUICIDE for a real Viper. That's fucking betraying the town. Hence, no real Viper would be that much of a fucking idiot. Hence, I would vote Spite on the claim as clearly they aren't actually a Viper, and are more likely to be, oh, I dunno, the Bride's ally, or the Assassin themself (perhaps with a BP?), we don't know. What we do know, is that a Viper should not fucking reveal themself on day fucking one with NO FUCKING PRESSURE.

Seriously, it's a lose-lose move. Sure, two scum target the same person tonight ('cept they didn't, 'cuz Spite DIED STRAIGHT AFTER REVEALING BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T READ THE WARNING), and then what? Instead of striking out randomly, they hit, for certain, a Viper. Which, btw, is bad, unless that Viper has two BP's.
Now, what if they both decide to waste no kill on it, because the other scum will? Then Spite lives tomorrow and we get fucking WIFOM hell until they die.

See? Lose-lose. Short of Spite being pretty damn certain that Tellan is the Bride/Assassin, and the suicide reveal was trying to show us that by way of conviction (which is useless because Spite didn't point any fingers), what the fuck have we gained from that idiotic reveal?

hey fener, calm the fuck down sheesh. surely you can talk about this in an indoor voice with a bit less profanity? otherwise youll just have a heartattack and have to be removed from play

anyways, spite said (mightve been deleted now as it was after his death scene) that he wanted the bride to `bring it on` as far as NKs so its quite possible he had a counter move of some kind or something like that which would make his reveal make a bit more sense. and none of us knew that revealing was instant death via the bride so theres no point blaming him for that either

[Olar Ethil]

sigh

I doubt we'll get a lynch since there's like half an hour left, tops.


i'm off to take a shower/eat, since I just came home form work.

[Kalse]

well, I want a lynch for lynchs sake and fener is vastly overreacting like an exploding poodle so

vote fener

[Mockra]

Fucking brilliant day 1 bullshit.

As for a vote as deadline approaches, I gotta say that Fener is, although loudly and profanely, right IMO. I agree with Alkend about Karat's vote. Then Kalse symps Karat in that response to Fener.

Vote Karatallid