[Path-Shaper]

If you want you can log into PS and read through all the conversations between the teams.

If you have lots of time you can even post them.

The Denarians think that HP is Dresden and Liosan is a Knight, I think.

[Dinivan]

they think they can kill Michael if they band together. Is that possible? Do their powerlevel add up when they select the same target?

and is the 'knight' in their VC a knight a la Michael/sanya or does that refer to the sidhe knights (that don't exist, yet)?

and wow, DiBs is totally off his rocker...well, so many now know that he ain't human that some stunt like this is his only chance.

This post has been edited by Dinivan: 20 November 2009 - 03:57 PM

[Dinivan]

When did I imply What??


that must have been some wild speculation on day one... trash that idea, dibs, trash it. Or confuse everyone. More's the pleasure.



See how I confuse the players and fuck with their minds from the grave? Huh obdi? Good job, eh?

[Path-Shaper]

Very good job.

The Knight they need to kill is either Michael or Sanya.

If Michael and Sanya vs 3 denarians, I would say it is a wash.

If it is just Michael vs 3 denarians, I think he dies.

If Sanya backs up Michael, and Michael attacks/follows one of the 3 denarians, I think that denarian dies. If the 3 denarians each target Michael, I think Michael dies too. Then Sanya runs off with one of the coins. That is what I assume is going to happen.

Liosan just put in a thing to Recruit Ruse (Dresden) as the Winter Knight. If Ruse (Dresden) accepts, I think I should up his power by a bit and change his winning conditions.

[Dinivan]

well the 3rd denarian can't attack michael but I guess he could follow him.



and wow, when he accepts, what happens to his faction? do they have to go on without him? would they know that he no longer belongs to them or can he still trick them off-thread?

[Path-Shaper]

Ah-ha! Here we go:

Barghast said:

Sent 17 November 2009 - 12:57 PM
So Ruse and Hood's Path both started off as RIs (They both reference there PMs early on). Personally I dislike it when people abuse the PM system like that, but I guess it's a fact of life in games where you need to keep the text of the PMs a secret.

Also, a few alt-guesses:

D'riss = Morgy
Hood's Path = DiBs
Liosan = Talfagaron
Meanas = JA
Emurlahn = Impirion


Sir Thursday

All my alt guesses were right . Don't know why I thought Ruse was RI though...

ST

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 20 November 2009 - 06:12 PM

[drinksinbars]

glad yo see tal exploding again seriously it clearly states that both qwueens must be alive at the end and he reveals a vampire? and outs gamelon his fellow queen???

am i missing something here?

[Sir Thursday]

drinksinbars, on 21 November 2009 - 10:17 AM, said:

glad yo see tal exploding again seriously it clearly states that both qwueens must be alive at the end and he reveals a vampire? and outs gamelon his fellow queen???

am i missing something here?

He can also win by getting getting the weather to -10 and killing Gamelon. And given how the weather is going at the moment (and how little the Cabal are being hit), he probably thinks that's the way to go. I'd have waited another day or two, personally. It's going to take 3 days at its current rate to get to the max, and that's a long time to survive when you've revealed finder in a Merc game, even with his high power level giving him some immunity at night. But it's not a totally self-combusting play, by any means. If he backs himself to drive home a Gamelon lynch tomorrow, that's one day out of three gone...after that, we'll see, I guess.


Sir Thursday

[Path-Shaper]

ST here, thought I'd post a few PMs:

Here's some pretty detailed (but also a bit wonky) role speculation from Osseric:

Osseric, on 21 November 2009 - 07:06 AM, said:

I suspect Eloth as being a vampire.

You'll also notice that other than Okaros, he leaves off Tennes, Ampelas, Emurlahn, Eloth and Korv. If not Okaros, you'll find a teammate in one of those, I suspect.

I'm gonna go look over Tennes, Amp and Okaros to see where I think they stand.

Osseric, on 21 November 2009 - 09:53 AM, said:

suspected players and roles:

Human
Liosan: Murphy
Korv: unknown, probably human (Michael?)
Meanas: Father Forthill

Summer
Anthras
D'riss, possibly Titania
Mockra (symps D'riss like crazy, and both Anthras and Mockra are on every train D'riss is on)

Winter
Gamelon

Vamps
HP
Eloth (HP's master?)

Unknowns
Ampelas - not on a team with Emurlahn
Emur - not a vampire
OE - possibly recruitable
Okaros - fairly sure he isn't on a team with Anthras and Mockra, so isn't a summer sidhe. I'm thinking he's winter or another vampire (or an evil wizard I guess)
Rashan
Tennes - says he agrees with Fener and HP at one point, yet attacks HP and jumps on his train, so I'm gonna assume =/= vampire

So far Rashan and Emurlahn are the most mysterious. I'm gonna look over them, as I suspect they might be the evil wizards, along with maybe Serc.

Here's what Rashan is thinking - he's got the right idea about Ampelas, not so much about Osseric:

Rashan, on 20 November 2009 - 09:09 PM, said:

Hey buckaroo! I sure do hope that tongue-lashing about information hoarding pricks was about me! I soooooo want to follow Tennes tonight, because he should know about the Denarians as well. Thus, why I'm not bringing them up and hoarding information.

So, tonight I will: Work with Michael. Hopefully Morgy is a baddy.

Above was my NA, note the part about Tennes.

So, D'riss = Vampire leader.

Gamelon = Sidhe.

Leaving:

Osserc, possible Denarian.
Ampelas, possible Denarian.

Probably not: Korvalain (or he's having a shit game)

Gamelon prepares for the worst:

Gamelon, on 21 November 2009 - 03:09 AM, said:

oh that liosan is a bastard! well if i survive the night and they decide to lynch me im taking him down with me! as if the other summer courts conditions are the same as mine theyre better off without him as well

Not sure who he thinks the other Summer Court is though...he's the only one, right? (Unless he recruits, I suppose...)

Next up, Osseric and Ruse share some thoughts:

Gamelon, on 21 November 2009 - 03:09 AM, said:

oh that liosan is a bastard! well if i survive the night and they decide to lynch me im taking him down with me! as if the other summer courts conditions are the same as mine theyre better off without him as well

Ruse, on 21 November 2009 - 03:49 AM, said:

I'm getting a gut feeling that okaros was linked to DiBs--I have to do a reread to figure that one out though

spotlight on Liosan is not good, though--if he IS Murphy, than he's our ally.

and it's t45 to boot, and he's fun to have around.

D'riss is probably with Summer, and if so, Game must be Winter, I think.


if Meanas is the priest, that leaves an unknown number of Denarians and probably Michael as other possible role.

I'll grab a bite to eat, then I'll sit down for a re-read and try to solve the game, lol.

I note Meanas is getting a lot of currency out of everyone thinking he's the priest, it's really throwing everyone off.

Speaking of Meanas, here's some Denarian conversation:

Tennes, on 20 November 2009 - 04:48 PM, said:

We still need to find Dresden so that find will obviously be useful. I think we are ok at this point lynch wise.

I'd say killing Michael is going to be a problem. I'd say he's Power Level as high as it goes.. Hope you can take him. Not sure if I should go for that kill as well as it might take both of us..

Well Emurlahn would know who Dresden is as well.. might be worth our time going back looking at Emurlahn.


I guess tonight a Find on Korv from Meanas will be the go.

Meanas, on 20 November 2009 - 06:40 PM, said:

How the the power thing goes? The action only works if the person has a lower power?

And I'm curious, how do you know Emurlahn is a knight? You also have finds?

Ampelas, on 20 November 2009 - 11:25 PM, said:

Sorry I should have said earlier. Tennes tried to kill him last night and was told that he was Michael the knight and that he wasn't strong enough to kill him.

I am not really sure how the power thing works. I am level 10 and Tennes is a level 7. I can also recruit one more player, but they are going to be a strong player and might have different winning conditions then us. So I am hesitant to use it till we are locked in on the win.

Meanas, on 21 November 2009 - 07:17 AM, said:

OK I get it, you only have limited numbers of recruits. Well we don't need to majority anyways.

By the way, my power level is also 7. I'm wondering if it means that if I investigate Dresden I'll fail.

Also, do you have any hint on how the weather changes?

Tennes, on 21 November 2009 - 09:05 AM, said:

No idea how the weather changes unfortunately, best we can do is kill Summer Faeries if we find them and not kill Winter or any Wizards.

Obdi has been giving us a bit of a scene with our night actions that normally give some infomation away, so i think even if your find fails we might get something.

I'm starting to worry about the Finder, hopefully someone else kills Liosan tonight. Might need to think about using that final recruit soon even if we can't control him. We've been lucky so far, but Amp is starting to get some attention.

Looks like noone is going to bother with getting rid of Liosan at night...tomorrow is going to be an interesting day.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 21 November 2009 - 11:52 AM

[Path-Shaper]

Ah, here's what Liosan was thinking:

Liosan, on 20 November 2009 - 08:03 PM, said:

I love instigating chaos and disarray XD. If HP IS a summer faerie, and the cold keeps going on its current trend, I can reveal Gamelon, get him lynched, and even if I go down too we can still win in 2-3 days.

Still waiting on Eloth to see how far down the thermometer this is going to go tonight, and for an action from Gamelon. I don't quite see how it's in the Cabal's interest to move the temperature so far in one direction though. All they're doing is helping Liosan achieve his victory conditions at the moment.

Also, I updated the Actions post to take into account Ruse and Kaschan's actions: (Find on Mockra and Support on Osseric, respectively).

EDIT: Scrolled back through the messages and found a provisional from Gamelon:

Gamelon, on 20 November 2009 - 05:02 PM, said:

Provisional make it warmer

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 21 November 2009 - 12:04 PM

[Path-Shaper]

Osseric to Ruse:

Osseric, on 21 November 2009 - 12:40 PM, said:

By the way, I wouldn't suggest killing Okaros at the moment. You're the only one who has mentioned him recently - it will look quite suspicious if he suddenly turns up dead. Fingers will be pointed, and we don't need that noise right now. You could be picked as a symp signalling his master to off a low poster (although the why would have to be explained).

Seems a little cautious, but you never know, I guess.

[Path-Shaper]

OK, so all night actions are in. My interpretation of Obdi's instructions is as follows:

Ampelas and Tennes target Emurlahn, while Emurlahn and Rashan target Tennes.

Outcome: Emurlahn and Tennes die, Rashan gets Tennes' coin.

Liosan attempts to recruit Ruse.

Outcome: I have sent a message asking Ruse whether or not he wants to be recruited. If he accepts, I tell him that his power level has increased and that he now has a different set of winning conditions. He can still talk to Molly & Mouse, but he's not on their team any more. He can also talk with Liosan off thread. If he declines, I tell Liosan that his offer was refused.

Ruse investigates Tennes: Ruse learns that Tennes is Deidre.

Meanas investigates Korvalain: Meanas learns that Korvalain is a citizen of Chicago.

D'riss attempts to recruit Meanas: Fails, D'riss is told that Meanas is too strong to be recruited.

And the weather is moved one point colder.

[Impirion]

I sooooo didn't get targeted by all 3 denarians. I claim bias ST!

[Path-Shaper]

Impirion, on 22 November 2009 - 07:17 PM, said:

I sooooo didn't get targeted by all 3 denarians. I claim bias ST!

Meanas doesn't have any abilities that would affect you, so I assumed that it was a typo from Obdi. Doesn't make sense that either a find or a seduction would change things, as far as I can tell.

[Path-Shaper]

Damn. Seems I made some mistakes with the NAs - had complaints from Meanas and Liosan that I didn't use their most recent provisional.

Meanas wanted to find Rashan, not Korvalain (which would have been a much more informative result...), and Liosan wanted to move the weather one point colder as opposed to recruiting Ruse, which would have been better for him too.

I sincerely apologize to both of them.

[Path-Shaper]

Right, for tomorrow night:

Ruse wants to do a find on Okaros.
D'riss wants to recruit Olar Ethil.

I'll update the Actions page.

[Impirion]

Path-Shaper, on 22 November 2009 - 07:45 PM, said:

Impirion, on 22 November 2009 - 07:17 PM, said:

I sooooo didn't get targeted by all 3 denarians. I claim bias ST!

Meanas doesn't have any abilities that would affect you, so I assumed that it was a typo from Obdi. Doesn't make sense that either a find or a seduction would change things, as far as I can tell.

It's a follow isn't it, which would mean Meanas would be able to lend his strength in the fight.... I claim you just wanted me dead! especially as it's a 12 and 7 vs a 10 and 7 in power in that battle...

[Path-Shaper]

Impirion, on 22 November 2009 - 08:00 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 22 November 2009 - 07:45 PM, said:

Impirion, on 22 November 2009 - 07:17 PM, said:

I sooooo didn't get targeted by all 3 denarians. I claim bias ST!

Meanas doesn't have any abilities that would affect you, so I assumed that it was a typo from Obdi. Doesn't make sense that either a find or a seduction would change things, as far as I can tell.

It's a follow isn't it, which would mean Meanas would be able to lend his strength in the fight.... I claim you just wanted me dead! especially as it's a 12 and 7 vs a 10 and 7 in power in that battle...

To quote from the role PM on the first page of the thread:

Quote

At night you may:
Influence: Find out a players role name.
Seduce: You will be able to set that persons vote to whatever you want the next day. They will not be able to change it or in any way indicate that it was not their choice to vote for that person. They are not allowed to vote for anyone else, and if the day ends without their vote upon that person, they die.

Also, remember that support that Sanya gave you only increases your strength by 2, it's not the same as getting her in on the action.

[Impirion]

Ah but Sanya must also be there, or wouldn't have been able to prevent D'riss recruiting night 2 when I was fighting Tennes, so it follows to reason that if I was getting hammered Sanya would join in as well.

[Impirion]

Hmmm looks like it will be very hard for Rashan to win now though .

Imp