[WhiskeyJackDaniels]

Andarist is old by Andii standards, Traveler is old by human standards. And you just made my point that Vengeance isn't an automatic field-leveling sword. Its wielder is still susceptible to greater powers.

[Sinisdar Toste]

WhiskeyJackDaniels, on 14 January 2010 - 09:58 PM, said:

Andarist is old by Andii standards, Traveler is old by human standards. And you just made my point that Vengeance isn't an automatic field-leveling sword. Its wielder is still susceptible to greater powers.

actually i didn't. andarist tells cutter himself that if his will was absolute then there would be no problem, but over the centuries his willpower has eroded and now he is not equal to the sword

[WhiskeyJackDaniels]

But then Cutter has a line as he's watching him overcome the injuries that Andarist was being modest and was clearly still up to the challenge of the weapon.

Edit: Quote

"Andarist had been slashed at least a dozen times, each time the heavy scimitar parting chain then flesh down to the bone, in various places on his body. How he had managed to stand upright, much less continue fighting, belied his earlier claim that his will was no of sufficient purity to match the sword, Grief."

This post has been edited by WhiskeyJackDaniels: 14 January 2010 - 11:53 PM

[Sinisdar Toste]

who would know better? andarist or cutter?

it's kind of funny that our argument over dassem's efficacy has come to a bone over who between andarist and cutter knows more about the sword.

besides that though, you can't think that dassem's will was less than that of andarist, or even equal to.

[WhiskeyJackDaniels]

No, I don't. Dassem's is definitely stronger. And I still think Andarist was just being fatalistic.

[Sinisdar Toste]

ok, well, either way i don't think we're really getting anywhere with this discussion, cause the chances of dassem ever having to prove my claim are slim to none. agree to disagree?

[WhiskeyJackDaniels]

Yep.

[Excellence]

We've see lots of people put in Azath houses to heal from serious wounds. Chaur. Vader. Kalam. Rallick. Vorcan.

Dassem's daughter been there for a long time.

The house has not healed her in that time. Nor anyone else. We don't know who put her in there to begin with. If Dassem's Ascended and has deity like powers (in Crimson Guard, he motions and the Rope's rope is severed from Kyle's neck) you'd think he could heal her.

On another note, Hood. -- (Toll the Hounds spoiler follows) -- We know in House of Chains Hood took revenge on Whiskyjack and kept making him delay getting his leg healed. Yet he fights for Hood at the end.

[rhulad]

Azath houses don't heal people, they put them in a kind of suspended animation so that they don't succumb to their wounds. If they have some sort of natural special healing ability (ie rallick) then they will heal on their own while they are in the Azath.

I could be wrong, but I thought that the reason Whiskyjack never had his leg healed was because Hood cursed him so that he couldn't be healed via magical means.

[Sinisdar Toste]

i thought that hood just slyly insinuated himself into WJ thought processes to make him keep putting it off. much more subtle than blatantly blocking magical healing.

[Hinter]

H.D., on 11 November 2009 - 03:04 AM, said:

Whiskeyjack is correct in his assertion that he addressed him as Dessembrae because of Ullen's tragic demise at the end of the Battle of Li Heng, and Dessembrae was appearing on the scene in his role.

Also, what you hear in Dessembrae's words isn't a capitulation to a hopeless cause (killing Hood), but a reassertion that he didn't question his motive at all. He was without question stating to Hood that nothing was going to shake him away from his goal. He had no questions for the God of Death. There would be no words between them. Just his vengeance.

Thus, his sword (the sword of Rake) would be near unbeatable with such perfect single-mindedness.

Ullen died in the final battle in RotCG, of wounds taken against the Crimson Guard.

H.D., on 11 November 2009 - 05:15 AM, said:

This is TtH forum, thus: Hood gave up his role as a God. He re-entered the realm of mortality, and got Dragnipurred, only to possibly escape that through Dragnipur's destruction. It's possible he's fully mortal after this, and thus able to be slain.

Exactly. Hood could only fully manifest himself in Dharujhistan after Thordy had completed her ritual which included the slaying of her husband Gaz. He could then enter fully in to the mortal realm in order to face, and get killed, by Rake.

Tyrant, on 14 January 2010 - 08:16 PM, said:

Ulrik, on 12 November 2009 - 11:05 AM, said:

From my point of view is Dassem, ascened as Dessembrae, in his restless hunger for satisfaction and wielding Vengeance unstoppable. Former title One of top 5 best swordsman in Wu (Rake, Seguleh, who knows who...) is multiplied by this heritage from Andarist. STnC fears him and at least Kellanved´s powers are purely magical. He can cut literally through anything, spells and curses included. OK, he doesnt show it, but we can feel it from everyone´s reaction. He is more badass in Hood´s case than Karsa´s stubborness.

How do you know this? Have you been privy to something no one else has? If an Elder God decided to obliterate him with a wave of sorcery, I'm not sure he'd have a lot of luck hacking away at the encroaching huge fireball, Tiste Andii sword or not....


Out of interest, it appears there's this general consensus that Dassem has two distinct personalities, his mortal 'Traveller' persona and the demi-god 'Dessembrae'... where has this come from? It just seems odd to me and strikes me as a bit of a cop out to half-heartedly explain why Traveller seems a bit more vulnerable in RoTCG than some might have expected from the OMG DASSEM ULTOR SWORD OF THE EMPIRE snippets we got in the early books. Well, Lord of Tragedy or not, he's not infallible. Why can this character and no other apparently flit between these two very different entities, it just doesn't make sense to me...he's either ascendant or he's not.

He is obviously ascendant, but I believe he also has possibly more powerful beings looking out for him (ironically Hood being one of them.) As seemingly one of the few ICE and RotCG fans on this forum, I thought that RotCG needlessly confused the whole Dassem thing, but that was one of the few flaws in a bloody good book.

Sinisdar Toste, on 14 January 2010 - 11:39 PM, said:

WhiskeyJackDaniels, on 14 January 2010 - 09:58 PM, said:

Andarist is old by Andii standards, Traveler is old by human standards. And you just made my point that Vengeance isn't an automatic field-leveling sword. Its wielder is still susceptible to greater powers.

actually i didn't. andarist tells cutter himself that if his will was absolute then there would be no problem, but over the centuries his willpower has eroded and now he is not equal to the sword

It doesn't matter how "powerful" vengeance/grief is, Hood deliberately made himself vulnerable because a) he'd had enough of being the God of Death and b ) Rake's plan suited him (see (a)). I have no doubts that if Dassem and Hood confronted each other a week earlier, Hood would have brushed Dassem aside and returned to cutting his toenails.

Excellence, on 06 February 2010 - 12:02 PM, said:

...in Crimson Guard, he [Dassem] motions and the Rope's rope is severed from Kyle's neck...

Remember, Cotillion and Ammanas are both recent ascendents who have become gods. Dassem is still close enough to their power that they may not want to challenge him precipitously.

[Hinter]

P.S Sorry, I got a bit Mafia on y'all there...