[Serc]

Actually thats about it that seems to connect him with Eloth as then he votes for Eloth because Eloth had exploded by that point so even if he was partner or symp hed have to get rid of him.

[Serc]

All in all, i didnt see a huge amount there, it seems to basically be the calling out D'rek , the voting thing and pushing Olar when Eloth started getting heat. I could see a possible partnership being there but im not that sure about it yet

[Kessobahn]

I'm going to be gone for about 12-13 hours, so I'm just going to take my vote off Olar and see how things have worked out when I return.

remove vote

[Kaschan]

I hate signalling cases - it's way too easy to find things like this, and by itself really isn't much to go on. Serc's defence really was rather panicky, but if that's all there is, it's not enough to go on.

I'm more interested in Ruse's case on Emurlahn. I remember reading that vote myself and thinking at the time that it was weird - very much against the flow. I can definitely see it as a weak attempt at turning attention away from Eloth. I also find this post very suspicious:

Emurlahn, on 27 October 2009 - 07:54 PM, said:

@ Kessobahn and Alkend if you're suggesting that it is just coincidence then surely the best way to prove it is to vote serc, surely?

If all it takes to make someone vote for someone else is to accuse them of symping, then this game would be easy for the scum. It's just not an argument an inno should be making. Even if he feels the Serc case has some merit, it surely isn't strong enough for him to feel the need to go all out to convince players like that. 

Vote Emurlahn

[Olar Ethil]

Meanas, on 27 October 2009 - 05:22 PM, said:

Ruse, on 27 October 2009 - 04:53 PM, said:

I was looking back at all of the posts over the last several pages and this hopped out. I see no reason to think that Dk was town (Cfed Forginer) thus no reason to fully believe every word that he has been spouting. Even if you do believe him then just because Kesso was in the bar on night 2 doesn't mean that Olar wasn't in the bar also. If you believe DK then he could only see if one person was in the bar each night, and he couldn't ask after the same person two nights in a row. If Olar was in the bar night 1 then why wouldn't he be in the bar on night 2 and so on. From the lack of NK deaths in this game I am going to say that the killing scum are probably never going to be in the bar. My reasoning is thus if it is hard to kill someone at night then why would a killer not try every single night. If you believe Dk then neither Kesso or Olar can be scum killers. Could they still be scum yes, but not scum killers.

Now if you don't believe Dk then shit anything is still possible. Personally I don't like the way that Emurlahn followed and defended Tapper. Since Tapper was scum I am going to say that Emurlahn is either his partner or symp.


Vote Emurlahn

My posting will be somewhat sporadic today as I'm busy doing laundry and getting ready for school and being clean etc. etc. But lemme respond to this quickly. We know that if Omtose is telling the truth about his info (and since he was honest about his whacked out role I have no reason to doubt his info will prove reliable as well), then Olar was not in the bar night 1. However, Olar has said he was. He's said nothing about night 2, which was the only night where someone was killed. Now, Olar's lie about being in the bar night 1 and the incongruous nature of his claimed role and the description of the character he claims lead me to believe that he's not a helpful person. Besides which, by his own admission his claimed character had no reason NOT to be in the bar, and yet apparently was not. And, since I hold to the same mandate as Telas, lynch all liars, I will be maintaining my vote on Olar until it is proved sufficiently to me that Omtose was indeed grasping at straws and throwing names out randomly to save his own ass.

On a somewhat related note: Based on the random and unmentioned scene on the page before I believe we have clues in the scenes, not dissimilar to Spycraft. Of course, this is clearly only applied to day actions resolving in real time, but clearly there was at least one kill attempt on night 3. I suspect we have 3 people who can kill currently alive, one of them surely is an evil vamp, as we've not been notified of a faction's demise yet, and at least one other is a wolf. Perhaps there are vigs as well artificially inflating the number of actions visible in the scene.

funny how quick a discussion whether dktorode or I am lying becomes Olar is lying. Read this post. Try to follow the thinking. It's sort of hard, isn't it? Meanas is very assertive, much more so than he has any reason to be.

Alkend, on 27 October 2009 - 07:17 PM, said:

@ Korvalain Fair enough, I don't mind at all. To me Serc has been playing like a low-lying scum so lynching him is fine by me.

I have just completed my mini re-read of all the low-middle posters: my impressions are :

Kaschan: Low posting, not much content. 1 vote all game. Claims lack of time for bits, but still a poor effort to be posting so little.
Korvalain: Has been a little too train jumping happy for me.
Ruse - Weird attachment to boobs at the beginning of the game (I know, we are all attached to them). Some contribution at least
Ampelas - Nothing much controversial in my view, some content in there.
Mockra - Again, not much controversial, some content in there.
Kessobahn - Some strange posts, possibly bears more investigation.
Serc - Really not much content compared the number of posts he has - possibly low lying scum
HP - Pretty much same position as Serc, maybe slightly more contribution - possibly low lying scum

Edit, put in @ Korvalain.

I was a bit unsure about the serc vote, but this thing by Alkend? IT screams symp. With the following touch and go posts by Serc, I'm definitly willing to vote for him. In addition, it's nice to see the participation of the bottom posters too.

Meanas, on 27 October 2009 - 07:57 PM, said:

Okay, let me offer some thoughts here. Korvalain is scum trying to drive a lynch. Olar is scum and Korv knows it. I think Mockra is a follower of one of said scum. His symping is not quite as blatant as Beru's but that hop-on vote earlier was pretty sketchy. Lets look carefully here. Omtose is modkilled. I then place a vote on Olar because my interpretation of the evidence at hand suggested that he was a lying liar who lies, and those aren't helpful people to have around. A few other people place votes, and I think the total may have hit 4. Now, I don't know for certain, but I think we only need 8 votes to lynch at this juncture and 4 is halfway there. So, Korv happens to note a coincidental occurrence between Alkend and Kesso using the same language to point out things about Serc. Well, he uses this to distract from Olar, quite effectively I might add. Then Mockra throws down a quick vote and soon we've got a pileup starting to happen. Mockra may not be scum, he may have simply been drawn in for the ride, but it looks like Olar is a bigwig, Korv is either a partner or a subordinate and Mockra is either a symp or unwitting inno. My vote stays on Olar.

You believe dktorode because he didn't lie about being a zombie.. That's a big leap. The vote on me stopped before the whole serc thing turned up, but you're welcome to pretend otherwise if it makes you feel better. I am who I revealed to be. I was in the bar night 1. You're basing your belief that I'm lying on dktorode turned up as a zombie, though we don't know about his alignment, nor his actual role. Youre willing to sacrifice a possible town role because of that? Funny how your so certain.

I like the Serc case. It's getting the game forwards and the way Alkend and Serc have acted following makes me like it even more.

This is all I have time for atm. I'm going out with the girlfriend. She's getting annoyed at my tapping on the keyboard

Serc

[Alkend]

Serc, on 27 October 2009 - 11:37 PM, said:

All in all, i didnt see a huge amount there, it seems to basically be the calling out D'rek , the voting thing and pushing Olar when Eloth started getting heat. I could see a possible partnership being there but im not that sure about it yet

D'rek? I thought she was our all powerful mod in this game!

Edit slight *spelling* mishap

This post has been edited by Alkend: 28 October 2009 - 01:23 AM

[Serc]

oh damnit, i meant D'riss i think. Stupid Alt with similar name to the mod

[Path-Shaper]

t is now Book 4: Breaking Dawn. 7 hours, 40 minutes remaining.

15 players alive: Alkend, Ampelas, D'riss, Emurlahn,Hood'sPath,Kaschan, Kessobahn, Korvalain, Meanas, Mockra, Olar Ethil,Ruse,Serc, Silanah, Telas

8 votes to lynch, 8 to go to night.

3 votes Olar Ethil (Meanas, Ampelas, Emurlahn,)
2 votes Emurlahn (Ruse, Kaschan,)
5 votes Serc (Korvalain, Mockra, Telas, Alkend, Olar Ethil,)


Not voted: D'riss Hood's Path, Kessobahn, Serc, Silanah,

btw, D'rek is a girl

-ment

[Alkend]

All corrected ment!

Stupid mafia making me all confused about what pronouns to use.

[Path-Shaper]

Boy was I confused for a bit there...

-D'rek

[Serc]

yeah sorry bout that, i always get confused by D'rek and D'riss
Now i think il have to go and wont be back on until the morning most likely, so before i go
Vote Emurlahn
Because at the moment im finding him a more likely killer than Olar because of the possible Eloth connection, and im not completely sold on the Olar lying argument as it just seems that he would most likely have not even bothered mentioning it unless he was trying to show that Omtose was lying.

[Path-Shaper]

Serc, on 28 October 2009 - 01:42 AM, said:

yeah sorry bout that, i always get confused by D'rek and D'riss

so does Steven Erikson, so you're forgiven...

[Path-Shaper]

It is Book 4: Breaking Dawn. 7 hours, 5 minutes remaining.

15 players alive: Alkend, Ampelas, D'riss, Emurlahn,Hood'sPath,Kaschan, Kessobahn, Korvalain, Meanas, Mockra, Olar Ethil,Ruse,Serc, Silanah, Telas

8 votes to lynch, 8 to go to night.

3 votes Olar Ethil (Meanas, Ampelas, Emurlahn,)
3 votes Emurlahn (Ruse, Kaschan, Serc)
5 votes Serc (Korvalain, Mockra, Telas, Alkend, Olar Ethil,)


Not voted: D'riss Hood's Path, Kessobahn, Silanah,

[Silanah]

I said before that I agree to vote Serc if enough people want it, because it will give us information we need - besides nobody is considering my other choice Ampelas, so here goes.

vote Serc

I am just dropping in to vote, I really don't have time to be here. To anyone that wants to think this is a drive by vote - it's not really since I discussed this before.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Book 4: Breaking Dawn. 5 hours, 53 minutes remaining.

15 players alive: Alkend, Ampelas, D'riss, Emurlahn,Hood'sPath,Kaschan,Kessobahn, Korvalain, Meanas, Mockra, Olar Ethil,Ruse,Serc, Silanah,Telas

8 votes to lynch, 8 to go to night.

3 votes Olar Ethil (Meanas, Ampelas, Emurlahn,)
3 votes Emurlahn (Ruse, Kaschan, Serc)
6 votes Serc (Korvalain, Mockra, Telas, Alkend, Olar Ethil, Silanah)


Not voted: D'riss Hood's Path, Kessobahn


I'll be sleeping until after the timer expires, so if Shin isn't on to take care of you, just wait patiently for some kind soul to come along and give you a scene. Good night!

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 28 October 2009 - 03:36 AM

[Ampelas]

Right I'm back. Got under 5 hours to go, and its starting to look like Serc is the only option. Its normally quiet time at this point so I'm not sure we are going to get 5 votes either way.

Will go back and look at the Serc case. Is there anyone else around?

[Telas]

Hey I'm here, Amp, if you're still here.

Mulled it over a lot and I just have a really sickening feeling about Vengyboy from Star Trek with regard to Olar Ethil. Like, OE is going to be that is he isn't he guy we think about all damn game. But I also don't think there's another viable option at this point.

[Ampelas]

I'm still around, I personally am happy with my Olar vote at the moment. But we're not going to get the numbers.

Looked over the Serc and Emurlahn cases, both aren't great, but neither are completely terrible either there's a little something to each. I'll be around it the lynch so I will see what numbers show up, but based on past days there's not many who turn up so I'll be voting Serc at some point before lynch.

[Telas]

Well I think Serc's CF is useful in as much as we can figure out if Korv was lucky and if Korv is right, we possibly did hit 3 birds with one stone. But something about Alkend's almost reckless willingness to vote Serc makes me a lot less sure than Korv about the CF's potential scummy result.

[Telas]

Well I'm out for the night.