[Emurlahn]

Well Telas the question is if he actually go for the vote against Serc.

If Alkend was inno, he would push who he thinks are scum, ok by Korv logic it implicates him, and he might hesitate, but he just got caught out by fucking coincidence if he inno.

[Emurlahn]

It a nice catch 22 that he in.

Basically if he inno, and votes for Serc and serc comes up scum then if he appears scum in connection due to his supposed sympage.

If he scum who implicated Serc in a little play, if Serc comes up scum then he fucked, but if Serc comes up Innp it doesn't clear Alkend of being scum.

[Telas]

Right, but he seems OK with taking the line that Serc is scum, he just hasn't actually put a vote down. Plenty of time left in the day, but why say you think Serc is scum now if you aren't voting?

[Alkend]

Telas, on 27 October 2009 - 09:25 PM, said:

But you're agreeing with me that if Serc comes up town, that would put you 'more' in the clear, right?

Well, yeah I guess, it would put a hole into people's argument I was signalling my leader.

[Alkend]

Telas, on 27 October 2009 - 09:36 PM, said:

Right, but he seems OK with taking the line that Serc is scum, he just hasn't actually put a vote down. Plenty of time left in the day, but why say you think Serc is scum now if you aren't voting?

Fair enough, that is a good point, I should back my words with actions:

vote Serc

[Path-Shaper]

It is Book 4: Breaking Dawn. 11 hours, 14 remaining.

15 players alive: Alkend, Ampelas, D'riss, Emurlahn,Hood'sPath,Kaschan, Kessobahn, Korvalain, Meanas, Mockra, Olar Ethil,Ruse,Serc, Silanah, Telas

8 votes to lynch, 8 to go to night.

4 votes Olar Ethil (Meanas, Ampelas, Kessobahn, Emurlahn)
1 vote Emurlahn (Ruse)
4 votes Serc (Korvalain, Mockra, Telas, Alkend)


Not voted: D'riss, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Olar Ethil, Serc, Silanah

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 27 October 2009 - 09:40 PM

[Telas]

I'll be missing for a bulk of the rest of the day, although I will be able to pop in every now and then.

[Ruse]

Ok so I went back and looked at Eloth's and Emurlahn's interactions when Eloth was trying to drive the lynch on Omtose. First up is Eloths vote onto Omtose. Eloth lays out his reasons for voting Omtose really well puts the vote on and disappears.

Eloth, on 24 October 2009 - 09:42 AM, said:

Fuck. I just lost a whole post.

Anyway, aside from a spat between Kesso and OE not a lot has happened that wasn't visible yesterday, apart from Bella dying (more on that in a moment), apart from two people mentioning that I am apparently a symp to either Omtose or Galain. Let's kick of with that. I'd say it is PRETTY obvious I am not on the Cullen team.

Fact: I supported Galains notion of Omtose being jumpy - made a post against Omtose straight after both he and Barghast voted against Omtose, even, but withheld a vote. So, that can be the only thing why I think people assume I am on Galains side.
When i came back on later, I agreed that barghast was obviously symping and voted him over Omtoses rather jumpy and nervous defense (which I also mentioned).

Voted yesterday straight out of the gates for Galain based on Barghast coming up as scum. That might be why people think I symped omtose, but it was for me the only good way of action. My earlier comments against omtose still stand, and he was jumpy, flighty and panicked early. Haven't seen anything like that on thread since, so:

Vote Omtose

(although I am interested in the case on Telas, I think it is? Anyone with a post number?)

As for Tellan dying: we all knew from the OP that she started of unaligned and could be recruited by certain factions, who would then gain a significant advantage. seeing how she and the spawn are killed together and the spawn was ripped from her, I assume that the baby would have been 'the significant advantage' and would have been 'born' once she was recruited and then did something for that faction. I had to go on wiki to see if that was plausible. I now need a shower.

There is one person who votes inbetween Eloth and Emurlahn. If you are a partner or symp that is the perfect distance to place a follow up vote. But Emurlahn doesn't bother to give a reason he just lays down his vote and goes away. Why should he give a reason his master/partner already gave on further up on the page.

Emurlahn, on 24 October 2009 - 09:50 PM, said:

So I can't ask you a question, D'riss? There a weekend break no need to rush a lynch.

But if you're not wanting to talk.

Vote Omtose

For acting squirmy on first day, with only a couple of posts agaiinst him.

This case comes extremely quickly and as soon as Eloth has came under pressure from several people for infering that the doctor reveal himself. Once again a very good symp/partner move. Notice that he doesn't attack the people attacking his master/partner he instead goes after someone who has drawn a little bit of heat but nothing concrete till then. This does to fold. If done correctly then it might get his master/partner off the hook and set up a lynch the next day. Emurlahn will be able to say that he has been after Olar for several days, when infact he was originally trying to protect his master/partner.

Emurlahn, on 26 October 2009 - 01:53 PM, said:

I did think Olar could be the other cullen but he could be another faction member trying to act as such as an attempt to throw people off him, we are going the cullens aren't a threat they lost two of their guys. If that the case the true Cullen wouldn't be so obvious hoping that later in the game he might improve his side situation.

If Olar isn't cullen, then what is he?

Town, Werewolves, and evil vampires benefit from destruction of cullens, so I don't think he is one of them.

Coven have killed all the cullens they need to kill, so if Olar is coven he may try to appear as the last cullen in a play to delay the other teams make them waste kills.

Remove Vote
Vote Olar Ethil

The rest of the thread is talking about how Eloth forced Omtose to reveal and how Eloth has been trying to get the doctor to reveal. But Emurlahn ignores all of that. He has nothing to say on that subject instead he continues to bring up Olar as an lynch alternitive. This means that he is smart enough to reconize that his master/partners position has gotten procarious and that they aren't going to be able to lynch Omtose today.

Emurlahn, on 26 October 2009 - 02:07 PM, said:

Didn't Olar came on after Barghast was lynched, really hitting at everyone following Omtose as if his word came from god itself?

This is just another example of Emurlahn purposely ignoring Eloth while at the same time planting seads and trying to lead the thread onto someone who he isn't aligned with.

Emurlahn, on 26 October 2009 - 02:08 PM, said:

If the Cullens know each other why symp each other in the first place, ok Barghast is a new player, but Olar and Galain if they knew each other wouldn't need to obviosly symp each other.

Now he is trying to give his master/partner a way out. Asking him easy to answer questions in the hopes that Eloth will be able to figure out a way out of the mess that he has gotten himself into.

Emurlahn, on 26 October 2009 - 02:11 PM, said:

Which means that your voting actions give away who you suspect the doctor is? And about you being scum, you could be a scum finder, guard or something else apart from killer and this is an attempt by you to signal to your killer on a possible target.

After several hours he finally gives up when it is obvious that Eloth is going to get lynched and joins the train. After all it is one thing to try to save a master/partner it is another thing to be taken down with them. But his vote is at the later part of the train and the fact that he totally ignored Eloths entire escapade but was online and posting is damning unto its self.

Emurlahn, on 26 October 2009 - 04:00 PM, said:

Remove Vote
Vote Eloth

For obvious reasons that Eloth has given us.

By the time he gets around to voting Eloth has already revealed himself to be a evil Vamp and so this is basically a cutting his loses vote. These are the reasons that I am voting for Emurlahn.

[Telas]

Real quick, I just had a small epiphany about Olar Ethil's reveal.

Quote

On any Epilogue/Night that you perform no actions, your player will goto the one and only local drinking establishment for the duration ofthe night. While there you might hook up with someone and form alover-relationship. Certain other abilities also depend on playersbeing at the bar.

Faction leaders, roles under the age of 15 and select other roles nevergo to the bar. Players do not go to the bar when Wounded, either.

Quote

Angela Weber is a classmate of Bella's who is described as being a tall, shy, quiet, and very kind girl.

If we believe DKT's info, we can use that against the reveal to get some very choice information.

Olar Ethil COULD be a Faction Leader, which lends credence to the thought that Korv is distracting away from OE. That would explain why OE wasn't at the bar.

If OE was wounded, he wouldn't have been at the bar, either. But how would OE have been wounded on Day 1? Seems unlikely.

And then the kicker... roles under the age of 15 AND SELECT OTHER ROLES NEVER GO TO THE BAR.

OE's reveal doesn't seem to indicate, if he's telling the truth, that he has a role that wouldn't go to the bar. The Wiki page doesn't have a lot on Angela Weber, but I gleaned the interwebs to find more info.

According the the Wiki pages, Angela Weber is born in 1988 (http://twilightsaga....ki/Angela_Weber). Bella was born in 1987 (http://twilightsaga....wiki/Bella_Swan) and is 17 at the time of the original book, Twilight.

So... if Bella is 17, it's not impossible for Angela to be 15 years old if the game is supposed to take place after Bella's birthday (Sept 13) and before Angela's (unknown, but could theoretically be in the last few months of the year).

D'rek admitted ON THREAD EARLIER that she hasn't read the books so it isn't necessarily a massive stretch to imagine that she figured Bella to be right around 16 and maybe Angela Weber is only 15.

[Telas]

Now again, we don't really seem to know any other doctor from the wikipedia other than Carlisle Cullen, who is dead. And there's no mention of Angela being a doctor's receptionist. But it's not impossible to imagine a scenario in which she's a child who can't be at the bar while simultaneously also having a part time job as a receptionist.

So really this is about how 'detailed' we think D'rek got with things like dates and such. If she just winged it, I think this is a pretty plausible excuse and that puts OE more in the 'inno' column to me. If D'rek was a lot more specific, it could make the situational math just a bit out of reach to believe OE.

[D'riss]

if i go into work early i will be on in just before day ends. So i aint laying down my vote yet.

[Emurlahn]

Ruse I admit your case against me very well laid out, very possible except for one problem you very much wrong. Your ignoring all the evidence, I pushed an Olar case to give more possibilities than Omtose.

But I will give you Ruse that your vote against me has possibly more substance than Korv's case on Serc.

[Alkend]

Telas, on 27 October 2009 - 10:11 PM, said:

Now again, we don't really seem to know any other doctor from the wikipedia other than Carlisle Cullen, who is dead. And there's no mention of Angela being a doctor's receptionist. But it's not impossible to imagine a scenario in which she's a child who can't be at the bar while simultaneously also having a part time job as a receptionist.

So really this is about how 'detailed' we think D'rek got with things like dates and such. If she just winged it, I think this is a pretty plausible excuse and that puts OE more in the 'inno' column to me. If D'rek was a lot more specific, it could make the situational math just a bit out of reach to believe OE.

that doesn't answer why he claimed to be in the bar though does it? That's the main issue people seem to have, because if you believe Omtose, then OE lied, and that is then very suspicious.

[Serc]

That case on emur definitely looks like it may have something to it, and put like that it definitely looks like it could be deflections and stuff. At the moment im unsure about while he could have been being a blatant symp for Galain he does have a point that the argument wasnt particularly strong and he could have just been trying to stop people lynching the wrong person.
Right now that Emur case looks stronger to me than the Olar case so il go back now and see what i can find.

[Ruse]

Emurlahn, on 27 October 2009 - 10:32 PM, said:

Ruse I admit your case against me very well laid out, very possible except for one problem you very much wrong. Your ignoring all the evidence, I pushed an Olar case to give more possibilities than Omtose.

But I will give you Ruse that your vote against me has possibly more substance than Korv's case on Serc.

that could be true, except for the fact that you started making your lunges at olar only after Eloth started to get attacked.

Editted: for grammer

This post has been edited by Ruse: 27 October 2009 - 11:06 PM

[Emurlahn]

Actually I think I had stated that I think Olar wasn't cullen before that. Just didn't vote on it as it was night I believe.

[Emurlahn]

Let's look at this way, that day I could be accused of symping Omtose, D'riss made that comment, and now you're saying that I was symping Eloth on the same day.

Yet both of them are in different factions.

[Telas]

Olar Ethil, on 27 October 2009 - 04:28 PM, said:

You can, can you? Omtose was not listed as a member of town, yet you automatically assume that he told the truth?

I was in the bar night 1. I dunno what he was pretending to do, but he lied.

@ Alkend, you were right. I thought the issue was why would Olar might not be in the bar but he flat out says he's at the bar making any argument about his potential age completely moot.

[Olar Ethil]

all right, I've returned for a little bit.. Yes goddammit, I'm saying I was in the bar night 1. There's no reason to speculate about benign reasons for me not being at the bar night 1, because I was at bar night 1.

I'll go back and have a look

[Serc]

Ok havent finished going through his posts but there are a few things, Ruse pointed out the vote on Olar, just after people started calling out Eloth on the fact he was playing dodgy, another one i noticed was him calling out D'rek for inconsistency when he made a slight mention of Eloth trying to use an omtose vote as distancing, this is a small thing but together with the other stuff it can be seen as a possible symp play.
ok back to finish the read through