[Telas]

As far as I see it, I voted for a liar. Omtose's reveal had lots of holes, I think you voted him too, Korv. But now that Omtose is (somewhat) vindicated, we have to look at what he said and figure out if he had any reason to lie about Olar Ethil.

Just read what I quoted earlier. The Wikipedia mentions nothing about Angela Weber being a receptionist. Now with a ZOMBIE in the game, I realize the Wiki can't be the only source for truth about the game's players, but something doesn't fit.

I did remove my vote upon it being pointed out that there was no kill night one, making Olar's 'not in the bar' status not a clear sign of guilt.

[Korvalain]

Ampelas, on 27 October 2009 - 04:31 PM, said:

Well I guess it seems that Omtose was telling the truth as far as I can tell. Olar has said he's been in the bar, and Omtose said he wasn't. So Olar appears to be lying to us.

Vote Olar Ethil

Instantly believing every word that Omtose said based on a CF of zombie

Kess's vote was primarily meta (see also the silly dk) comment. While still incredibly moronic - no explanation, etc - Amps was more focused on how Omtose MUST be completely honest (even though we still dont know if zombie was townie?).


Therefore Meanas was the first (on both trains, unlikely scum)
Telas was on both trains, but quickly removed (very slightly scummy, more sheepish than not)
Amp instantly believes zombies are good (scummy as shit, looking for a very easy out and lynch)
Kess thinks dk was telling the truth cause its dk (meta based, but still scummier than Telas, but not as scummy as Amp).

Hope that helps.

[Telas]

Path-Shaper, on 27 October 2009 - 04:59 PM, said:

Sue Clearwater was at the mayor's office, desperately searching for any word around town of her son Seth, who'd been missing since Tuesday. As the receptionist chatted away about troublesome teenagers and the best place to buy enormous cucumbers, Sue studied the other woman present in the office, sitting casually in the waiting room. As one of the mayor's bodyguard stepped in from outside, Sue barely registered a flash of steel and all at once the young woman was on her feet and a katana was flying through the air to embed itself in the bodyguard's chest. As the receptionist began to scream, Sue watched in complete immobilility as a second bodyguard stepped out from the mayor's office with an M-16 assault rifle and opened fire. The young woman yanked on the chain attached to the katana's hilt, caught her sword and swiftly began deflecting the bullets being shot at her as she advanced on the bodyguard. At 8 paces part, the guard threw his spent gun at the girl. She was so taken by surprise that she released her katana, which the guard caught with ease and turned to face her. Not liking her chances, the young woman simply turned and fled out into the street.

Kind of feels like Spycraft again reading this... failed action of some kind?

[Silanah]

I checked and Meanas is on the beginning of both trains. Otherwise the votes are spread out I think.

Is the updates the correct voting order? If it is - the train on Omtose:
Olar Ethil, Meanas, Telas, Alkend, Emurlahn

Current votes on Olar:
Meanas, Ampelas, Kessobahn

Edit: xpost

This post has been edited by Silanah: 27 October 2009 - 05:13 PM

[Kessobahn]

Korvalain, on 27 October 2009 - 04:57 PM, said:

I have one main gripe about the whole thing. If this had been day one - we would have to lynch Meanas,Ampelas,Telas and Kess all for not being town. Because they dont seem to mind lynching anyone at this point.

Dramatic re - innactment -

Group - KILL OMTOSE!

Mod - Omtose is dead by my hand!

Group - damn!! Oh well KILL OLAR!!!

No discussion, just instantly trusting a zombie.

Having said that

Vote Ampelas

Who IMHO had the scummiest of the 4 votes.

To be frank, I was going to vote for Olar if Omtose was a zombie regardless. I didn't trust him before, and I trust him even less now. The silly dkt was just that, calling dkt silly for how he was playing. It has no bearing on what I voted. If Omtose was an unaligned, then his VC could be joining the town, since he couldn't join the scum factions, so there's a good chance he was at least working with us rather than against.

And what was with that day action?

[Ampelas]

I have voted Olar because I believe him to be lying. Omtose was forced into a reveal and has claimed to be Felicity the Bisexual Zombie etc etc. It was pretty unbelievable, even the name alone, the fact he was a Zombie and all the rest. Now the CF has proved him to be telling the truth. I see no particular reason to doubt the rest of his story.
If he was going to lie about a reveal of anything, why would he choose the worst, most confusing way possible?

He didn't CF town, nor did he CF any of the scum factions either, which makes me think he was Neutral and able to be recruited but hadn't been yet.

Since I believe Omtose's story, ergo Olar is lying to us, thusly I voted accordingly.

[Mockra]

So we just had a Failed day vig on the Town Mayor?

[Korvalain]

Not sure about the scene, but it means dont bring a sword to a gun fight!

[Mockra]

Korvalain, on 27 October 2009 - 05:14 PM, said:

Not sure about the scene, but it means dont bring a sword to a gun fight!

Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!

[Kessobahn]

Something else the scene mentions is the POV character's missing son. Confirmation of someone's recruitment?

Also that last post of mine should have read 'Since Omtose is an unaligned', not 'If'. Had to recheck the rules for word replacement but I can't claim to have mispelt Since so badly.

[Meanas]

Ruse, on 27 October 2009 - 04:53 PM, said:

I was looking back at all of the posts over the last several pages and this hopped out. I see no reason to think that Dk was town (Cfed Forginer) thus no reason to fully believe every word that he has been spouting. Even if you do believe him then just because Kesso was in the bar on night 2 doesn't mean that Olar wasn't in the bar also. If you believe DK then he could only see if one person was in the bar each night, and he couldn't ask after the same person two nights in a row. If Olar was in the bar night 1 then why wouldn't he be in the bar on night 2 and so on. From the lack of NK deaths in this game I am going to say that the killing scum are probably never going to be in the bar. My reasoning is thus if it is hard to kill someone at night then why would a killer not try every single night. If you believe Dk then neither Kesso or Olar can be scum killers. Could they still be scum yes, but not scum killers.

Now if you don't believe Dk then shit anything is still possible. Personally I don't like the way that Emurlahn followed and defended Tapper. Since Tapper was scum I am going to say that Emurlahn is either his partner or symp.


Vote Emurlahn

My posting will be somewhat sporadic today as I'm busy doing laundry and getting ready for school and being clean etc. etc. But lemme respond to this quickly. We know that if Omtose is telling the truth about his info (and since he was honest about his whacked out role I have no reason to doubt his info will prove reliable as well), then Olar was not in the bar night 1. However, Olar has said he was. He's said nothing about night 2, which was the only night where someone was killed. Now, Olar's lie about being in the bar night 1 and the incongruous nature of his claimed role and the description of the character he claims lead me to believe that he's not a helpful person. Besides which, by his own admission his claimed character had no reason NOT to be in the bar, and yet apparently was not. And, since I hold to the same mandate as Telas, lynch all liars, I will be maintaining my vote on Olar until it is proved sufficiently to me that Omtose was indeed grasping at straws and throwing names out randomly to save his own ass.

On a somewhat related note: Based on the random and unmentioned scene on the page before I believe we have clues in the scenes, not dissimilar to Spycraft. Of course, this is clearly only applied to day actions resolving in real time, but clearly there was at least one kill attempt on night 3. I suspect we have 3 people who can kill currently alive, one of them surely is an evil vamp, as we've not been notified of a faction's demise yet, and at least one other is a wolf. Perhaps there are vigs as well artificially inflating the number of actions visible in the scene.

[Ampelas]

Anyway i'm off now, will be back around in about 8 hours or so.

[Alkend]

Wow a lot has happened!

Olar's reveal seems a little precipitous, and his contradiction of Omtose just bizarre in hindsight.
I think I am going to try and do a full reread later before considering a vote, as there have been quite a few people who just haven't been mentioned really at all, Serc for example (no reason to suggest Serc, just off the top of my head)

[Kaschan]

Kessobahn, on 27 October 2009 - 03:55 PM, said:

I'm not sure why there's so much confusion, deliberate or otherwise, about Omtose's claim.

Quote

Me being a Bisexual zombie i hang out at bar every night lookng for some poon.
If i get seduced and bitten by either a Wolf or vamp they become wounded as my flesh is poison to them.

The word 'seduced' is the key there, I doubt either side performs night kills by getting its freak on.


I think Omtose's reveal was real, but since he's started giving information we may not have a choice in lynching him. If he's really a bi-sexual zombie and in the town faction then he'd have mentioned that clearly, if he's his own group then he'll probably be nightkilled or lynched with little loss to any faction, and we can decide which scum team Olar's on. If he's scum then it'll be good to have him dead, it'll put Olar somewhat in the clear but fuck me over completely with the lying about the info. Unless he has this bar ability and is scum at the same time, which would be crazy.

vote Omtose

This doesn't make sense to me. Why does the fact he is providing us with information necessitate us lynching him?


EDIT: I think I missed a few pages here...hang on while I catch up on what I haven't read yet.

This post has been edited by Kaschan: 27 October 2009 - 05:40 PM

[Alkend]

You might want to catch up Kaschan..... Omtose has kinda gone bye bye already.

[D'riss]

Path-Shaper, on 27 October 2009 - 04:59 PM, said:

Sue Clearwater was at the mayor's office, desperately searching for any word around town of her son Seth, who'd been missing since Tuesday. As the receptionist chatted away about troublesome teenagers and the best place to buy enormous cucumbers, Sue studied the other woman present in the office, sitting casually in the waiting room. As one of the mayor's bodyguard stepped in from outside, Sue barely registered a flash of steel and all at once the young woman was on her feet and a katana was flying through the air to embed itself in the bodyguard's chest. As the receptionist began to scream, Sue watched in complete immobilility as a second bodyguard stepped out from the mayor's office with an M-16 assault rifle and opened fire. The young woman yanked on the chain attached to the katana's hilt, caught her sword and swiftly began deflecting the bullets being shot at her as she advanced on the bodyguard. At 8 paces part, the guard threw his spent gun at the girl. She was so taken by surprise that she released her katana, which the guard caught with ease and turned to face her. Not liking her chances, the young woman simply turned and fled out into the street.

***

It is now Book 4: Breaking Dawn. 15 hours, 54 remaining.

15 players alive: Alkend, Ampelas, D'riss, Emurlahn,Hood'sPath,Kaschan, Kessobahn, Korvalain, Meanas, Mockra, Olar Ethil,Ruse,Serc, Silanah, Telas

8 votes to lynch, 8 to go to night.

3 votes Olar Ethil (Meanas, Ampelas, Kessobahn)
1 vote Emurlahn (Ruse)
1 vote Ampelas (Korvalain)


Not voted: Alkend, D'riss, Emurlahn, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Serc, Silana, Telas

wtf?

[D'riss]

D, on 27 October 2009 - 03:31 PM, said:

Eloth, on 26 October 2009 - 12:09 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 26 October 2009 - 11:10 AM, said:

I think point 1) of yours Eloth needs to be answered from Omtose as its a very good point, and he did react badly and its tempting to vote for him because of it.

But point 2) are you saying Galain knew what faction everyone was on Day 1? Because thats that argument your presenting and reason for voting Omtose.

Voting Omtose seems pretty straight forward, as its really just would someone from Town react so badly and defend themselves like Omtose did?
Cos thats all there is to the case, I'm not sure one way or the other yet, with Bella alive i'd say maybe yes, but now Bella is dead, maybe not I keep seeing people trying to come up with these reasons for voting Omtose when they don't make much sense.

I'm not saying Galain did know all on his faction or all alignments, or even only Omtoses. All I am saying is that Bubba apparently reasoned that someone (Omtose) stood out and he made a case & voted. Scum isn't usually that proactive day 1 due to the chance of backfiring (although that is distincly WIFOM).

What I am partially willing to gamble on, is one thing: as a Cullen, Galain needed to eliminate (roughly) the same people as town needs to (assuming that Killers mean that the scum factions have a killer, maybe a pair? hard to conclude from the low amount of night deaths we have seen so far):

Quote

Town - Eliminate the Cullens, Queleti and all Killers.

Cullens - Eliminate the Evil Vampires, the Coven and all original members of the Queleti

Queleti - Eliminate the Town, and all original members of the Cullens

Evil Vampires - Kill the Cullens, Werewolves, Coven and Bella Swan

Coven - Kill Edward Cullen, Carlisle Cullen, Jacob Black, Billy Black, Charlie Swan, Bella Swan and Renesmee Swan.

I assume that means that we have to eliminate the killers from evil vampires and coven but can leave the non-killing roles ('symps') or whatever else they have, alive, where the Cullens needed those dead, too. We need to get rid of all Cullens and Qs (I assume that means including recruits) whereas for the Cullens it was only the original wolves.

Had Galain been a Queleti or Coven, I wouldn't have used this kind of reasoning, nor if he was an evil vamp while Bella was alive, due to the chance he was gunning for a townie.

An additional (unlikely but still possible) support for Galain's choice: from wiki, I conclude that Carlisle was a doctor. If that translates to game mechanics, it could be Galain was a doctor, which is like a passive find. What if Omtose was wounded, went to see a doc, and ended up on Galain's surgery table?

Suppose we lynched Omtose, and suppose he'd come up as anything but town, that would be doubly advantageous for Galain: someone lynched who may be on his list, and since we lynch scum, we'd trust his instincts without wondering overly much where he got his info from, at least for a day or 2.

Mind you, all of the above is circumstantial. All of the above is farfetched and based on ifs and assumptions. I'm willing to take the gamble. We know one thing, and that is that Omtose overreacted to two votes. You can do a few things to having a few votes on you; defend comprehensively or laugh them off. He did neither, but reacted as if stung.

This may be some genuine info - i think the scum are likely paired and tapper suspected he had a symp somewhere.

Eloth, on 26 October 2009 - 12:36 PM, said:

Omtose, there has been zero pressure on me. Why would I then place a self-servicing distancing vote?

Also, you hint at having a power role for town. That is indeed a good reason to not want to get lynched. If you have a power role, ware you considering a reveal? I definately hope you'll do that in time to stop a lynch, especially if you are Charlie Swan (although seeing how close coven seems to victory they may even counterclaim).

I know for a fact there is a doctor and she's alive and kicking (and if she's not town, then I'll have to blame myself, but I believe she is), so becoming wounded is going to be no issue for you, in fact, it would strengthen your claim as she'd find out your species if she's the one to treat you. I for one will be trusting her judgment.

However, when push comes to shove, I say it is a lot better to reveal than get lynched if you are town. I'd rather gamble on there being a healer to survive than on not getting lynched by your current defense, as it is hardly helping you so far. But that could just be me.

My vote stays for now.

Quoting this as its the first post where he mentions the doctor. I wonder if his partner coded doctor into the thread somewhere so they could reveal later. I certainly havent noticed any code, so if its very complicated i wonder how tapper actually found it without some prior knowledge.

Emurlahn, on 26 October 2009 - 01:53 PM, said:

I did think Olar could be the other cullen but he could be another faction member trying to act as such as an attempt to throw people off him, we are going the cullens aren't a threat they lost two of their guys. If that the case the true Cullen wouldn't be so obvious hoping that later in the game he might improve his side situation.

If Olar isn't cullen, then what is he?

Town, Werewolves, and evil vampires benefit from destruction of cullens, so I don't think he is one of them.

Coven have killed all the cullens they need to kill, so if Olar is coven he may try to appear as the last cullen in a play to delay the other teams make them waste kills.

Remove Vote
Vote Olar Ethil

at this point, eloth had just got three votes in quick succession. This could be an attempt at steering the pressure away from eloth. Emur for me is a possibility for evil vamp symp.

Right, i quoted this before, i think emurlahn is trying to deflect away from tapper at this point. Not sure if i buy olars reveal but the wiki that telas used implies the character is a big one, so i would expect a counter claim if a lie.

vote emurlahn

[Alkend]

Well, it sounds like a day vig got bullet proofed. Was the mayor a major player in the twilight books?

[Kaschan]

Alkend, on 27 October 2009 - 05:40 PM, said:

You might want to catch up Kaschan..... Omtose has kinda gone bye bye already.

Heh, yeah, I've just caught up. Must have been reading a thread that was a couple of hours old. And a lot of things happened in those two hours.

Thinking about Omtose's claims about who was or was not in the bar, I could see those being an attempt to out scum - they are definitely going to want him gone if he's some kind of finder. I trust Olar Ethil's reveal, I think - makes sense and doesn't seem like the kind of thing scum would reveal as. So I think it's unlikely that we should try and read anything into his claims. However, the possibility that they are real would be a real threat to scum, so I propose we look very carefully at the votes against him after he started talking about it.

[Emurlahn]

D'riss you also accussed me of deflecting from my master Omtose, make up your mind man.