[Korvalain]

Telas, on 27 October 2009 - 08:14 PM, said:

I'll be honest, Serc is a great possibility for a case if it pans out, because those posts are like 4 RL days apart and the signaling could intentionally be designed to look co-incidental. That would also make you quite the eagle eye.

I am curious how on earth you caught it if the posts are 4 days apart.

I remember reading Bargy's post initally and thinking (why the hell mention anyone). Then I was catching up on the thread today and saw Alkends post (and thought again, holy shit that sounded familiar, did Alkend do that BOTH times), read back over the thread and now we are here.

[Telas]

Serc, on 27 October 2009 - 07:58 PM, said:

ok wtf, why is everyone voting me just because 2 people happened to mention me in passing, if noone remembers when kesso made his remark im pretty sure i was the lowest poster as id had hardly any time at all and think i may have had about 2 posts or something so it does make sense for him to mention me when trying to get low posters to post. About Alkend im not sure, but i have basically not been looked at yet but then again with all the omtose focus and stuff very few people have been looked at properly so i dont really know why he singled me out for that one, unless he just decided to start his read back at my posts or something.
Right now there doesnt seem to have been a lot of justification in peoples votes for me, its just a lot of OMG they both mentioned someones name lets lynch him! without much reasoning at all.

Honestly, Serc, this posts reads, to me, like you've been lurking for a while and just motor-mouthed a defense into the thread.

[Korvalain]

Meanas, on 27 October 2009 - 07:57 PM, said:

Okay, let me offer some thoughts here. Korvalain is scum trying to drive a lynch. Olar is scum and Korv knows it. I think Mockra is a follower of one of said scum. His symping is not quite as blatant as Beru's but that hop-on vote earlier was pretty sketchy. Lets look carefully here. Omtose is modkilled. I then place a vote on Olar because my interpretation of the evidence at hand suggested that he was a lying liar who lies, and those aren't helpful people to have around. A few other people place votes, and I think the total may have hit 4. Now, I don't know for certain, but I think we only need 8 votes to lynch at this juncture and 4 is halfway there. So, Korv happens to note a coincidental occurrence between Alkend and Kesso using the same language to point out things about Serc. Well, he uses this to distract from Olar, quite effectively I might add. Then Mockra throws down a quick vote and soon we've got a pileup starting to happen. Mockra may not be scum, he may have simply been drawn in for the ride, but it looks like Olar is a bigwig, Korv is either a partner or a subordinate and Mockra is either a symp or unwitting inno. My vote stays on Olar.

I am going to respond to this

Meanas - do you not, for a second ,think, that I might have pushed the Ampelas case I started initially, instead of pointing out 2 similar posts that spanned 4 days. And switching my vote? That makes no sense. Just think about it for a second.

[Korvalain]

Anyway, I need to work, I'll try and get back on later.

[Telas]

What's the current vote count?

edit: And time count, too

This post has been edited by Telas: 27 October 2009 - 08:21 PM

[Telas]

Path-Shaper, on 27 October 2009 - 04:59 PM, said:

It is now Book 4: Breaking Dawn. 15 hours, 54 remaining.

15 players alive: Alkend, Ampelas, D'riss, Emurlahn,Hood'sPath,Kaschan, Kessobahn, Korvalain, Meanas, Mockra, Olar Ethil,Ruse,Serc, Silanah, Telas

8 votes to lynch, 8 to go to night.

3 votes Olar Ethil (Meanas, Ampelas, Kessobahn)
1 vote Emurlahn (Ruse)
1 vote Ampelas (Korvalain)


Not voted: Alkend, D'riss, Emurlahn, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Serc, Silana, Telas

This is about ~3.5 hours ago, so < 15 hrs 30 min left

+1 Emur (Driss)
-1 Amp (Korv)
+1 Serc (Korv)
+1 Serc (Mockra)
-1 Emur (Driss)
+1 Serc (Emur)
-1 Serc (Emur)

3 Olar (Meanas, Amp, Kesso)
1 Emur (Ruse)
2 Serc (Korv, Mockra)

That's what I got.

[Meanas]

Korvalain, on 27 October 2009 - 08:19 PM, said:

Meanas, on 27 October 2009 - 07:57 PM, said:

Okay, let me offer some thoughts here. Korvalain is scum trying to drive a lynch. Olar is scum and Korv knows it. I think Mockra is a follower of one of said scum. His symping is not quite as blatant as Beru's but that hop-on vote earlier was pretty sketchy. Lets look carefully here. Omtose is modkilled. I then place a vote on Olar because my interpretation of the evidence at hand suggested that he was a lying liar who lies, and those aren't helpful people to have around. A few other people place votes, and I think the total may have hit 4. Now, I don't know for certain, but I think we only need 8 votes to lynch at this juncture and 4 is halfway there. So, Korv happens to note a coincidental occurrence between Alkend and Kesso using the same language to point out things about Serc. Well, he uses this to distract from Olar, quite effectively I might add. Then Mockra throws down a quick vote and soon we've got a pileup starting to happen. Mockra may not be scum, he may have simply been drawn in for the ride, but it looks like Olar is a bigwig, Korv is either a partner or a subordinate and Mockra is either a symp or unwitting inno. My vote stays on Olar.

I am going to respond to this

Meanas - do you not, for a second ,think, that I might have pushed the Ampelas case I started initially, instead of pointing out 2 similar posts that spanned 4 days. And switching my vote? That makes no sense. Just think about it for a second.

Well, that's a different side of the coin. You could have, but I don't know that there's any real evidence that Amp has been doing much wrong. I haven't seen anything from him to ping my scum-dar. Hell, the only thing I can say about him at all is that he has half my posts. And I don't have many either. So, instead of working your tail off and maybe not having enough time to formulate a believable case, you noticed a lucky coincidence and blew it up. That's what I think.

[Alkend]

Looks about right.

[Meanas]

I have to be on my way to class now. I'll be back later tonight. Bye all.

[Emurlahn]

I'm off in a couple of hours. And I'm not sure when I'll be back on.

So who to vote.

I could go for Olar, I've been pushing Olar for a while now.

Korvalin case, I would rather vote for Alkend but that will split the vote up more.

Vote Olar

For reasons that I have mentioned before.

[Telas]

OK so summary I see for the two bigger cases today is:

Olar Ethil - liar if we believe DKT was telling the full truth. Has revealed a character name without (so far) any counter reveal. Character role may be dubious considering the wiki page doesn't indicate that character could/would be in the stated role (doctor asst). Believed to possibly be Cullen, although a recent case believes OE is a leader and is getting a defense from Korv.

Serc - possible signaling pointed out by Korv from Alkend and Kessobahn. Both seem willing enough to test the theory by agreeing to vote off Serc, but neither one has voted him yet. Could just be a co-incidental distraction by Korv to save his master.

I'm fairly torn here because I'm very heavily inclined to vote for Olar Ethil for lying, although I wouldn't be entirely surprised if in DKT's frustration he lied about something. His CF isn't clear that he was working for the town, although I find it 'odd' that a zombie would be working for any faction unless it was maybe animated to work for something like the Coven (thinking of the 'witches' bit that Emur mentioned earlier).

If I vote OE, I'd want to make sure he's worth lynching, and I'm worried he may just be a Cullen and thus an extra night for the Coven to work.

The Serc case is a good case out of left field, probably the first time since Day 1 we've had a case on someone that wasn't involved in the original fallout from Galain's first vote. It could be a huge distraction ploy, but then why would Korv want to put a target on his back as well as OE's (assuming it's a distraction ploy away from OE)? Surely a town CF on Serc would lead to a major problem for Korv and OE? Why wouldn't Korv just let OE take the lynch unless OE was a power player?

We're still at 15 players and Coven have a ways to go yet. I don't think OE is a Coven member, so right now I'm leaning toward Korv's case being a potentially good find. I am still VERY suspicious of Olar Ethil over the issue of lying, but DKT is known to be a bit feisty and I would not be entirely surprised if he was lying. Plus, it's always entirely possible Olar just didn't want to reveal his full powers. We did get pretty pissy with DKT for his odd reveal and suggested he should have revealed some of his powers but not all of them.

So I'm fairly torn, but I think for today's purposes, I can look past lynching Olar.

Vote Serc

[Telas]

That's 4 Olar 3 Serc 1 Emur, too, with a bit over 15 hours left.

[Alkend]

Don't you mean 11?

[Telas]

Oh yeah, I didn't fix it in my earlier post. So ~11 hrs

[Telas]

Since you're around Alkend, what's your take on the Serc case? Obviously it could implicate you if he's scum.

[Alkend]

Personally I think he's scum, so I guess uh oh...

[Alkend]

Otherwise, obviously I think it was a huge coincidence and it was very sharp of Korv to pick up on it.

[Telas]

See that becomes a problem because now we're voting for him based on a perceived sympage but you're happily willing to test that theory which to me says you DON'T think he's scum because you aren't worried about him being tied to you.

[Alkend]

No I do think he's scum, which is rather worrying me about tomorrow...

Edit: The problem is I can't prove it was a huge coincidence that supposedly tie me to Serc, which makes it hard for me to do anything.

This post has been edited by Alkend: 27 October 2009 - 09:19 PM

[Telas]

But you're agreeing with me that if Serc comes up town, that would put you 'more' in the clear, right?