[T'renn]

Look, we all know we read about Bottle's mind leaving his body at the wyval storm, but is he truly dead ? Or a spirit ? I was wondering

Till I came across this (mind you, for this QB has to survive, but no one really doubts that, do they ?)

Hard cover Bantam Press, p 378
'I'll try. But if it's risky, you might lose me. I might lose me, which is even worse.'
Quick Ben smiled is little smile and reached into the heap of dolls.
'That's why I've tied this thread to this particular doll.'
Bottle hissed. 'You miserable shit.'
'Stop complaining. I'll pull you back if you get in trouble. That's a promis.'



so does anyone else think this mages survival rate has gone up ?

[Hetan]

I'm one for not believing anyone is dead until it's confirmed in the next book, at which point I shall probably yell "damn you!" and not for the first time..

[MTS]

It's a nice theory, the only problem being QB might have had a bit much on his plate at the time...

[Bliss]

when i read the battle scene i didnt see him as dying, i just saw him as exhausting himself by controlling those wyvals.

[MTS]

To a mage, exhausting themselves = dying.

[Puck]

The thread's title, anyone? Sorry, but you can't help but have it pop up when you're not automatically logged in [which at least in my case would hide the DoD section]. Just saying.

[Bliss]

an exhausted mage is not dead, there have been many times in the series where a mage has completely spent themselves and just passed out, far more than the amount of times we've seen a mage die of exhaustion

[Sinisdar Toste]

this is true, although in bottles case the magic he was using would have more likely left his body a vegetable and his mind torn to a million pieces. thats pretty exhausted

[Urizen]

 Sinisdar Toste, on 19 October 2009 - 02:35 AM, said:

this is true, although in bottles case the magic he was using would have more likely left his body a vegetable and his mind torn to a million pieces. thats pretty exhausted

Not to mention that his body was in the first trench, behind the advancing Na'hruk lines. Not exactly the best place to be given the Na'hruk's eating habits.

[Bliss]

huh, for some reason i always pictured Fid somehow making sure bottle was ok and got dragged back as they retreated.

maybe i have a mental block about bottle's death....

[Ulrik]

Or is Bottle new form of D´Ivers? Bunch of wyvals, ale possesed by his mind...OK, it IS stupid and crazy thery, but...

[Urizen]

 Bliss, on 19 October 2009 - 09:27 PM, said:

huh, for some reason i always pictured Fid somehow making sure bottle was ok and got dragged back as they retreated.

maybe i have a mental block about bottle's death....

No, I remember Bottle lying under under marine and Nah'ruk bodies, watching the Nah'ruk marching past towards the second trench before doing his Vywal-hopping trick.

[Tapper]

He is not dead. Not dead at all. I think in the BH it says that someone knows that Bottle is more important to the Bonehunters than QB and Kalam. That, to my mind, is still not fulfilled, unless finding Withal was what was meant. I sincerely that was it, seeing how the Eres continues to spank his monkey, and seeing how he's been laid back and Fid's shaved knuckle all the time. It was always other people who worked the miracles: the marines, Beak, QB, and loads of munitions. While SE is a master of the tragic unnecessary death, he is not one to leave plotlines like these hanging, especially not since the Bonehunters are key to the story - and one thing SE does not, so far, is cut these destinies short/ leave them unfulfilled in some way.

[Ulrik]

 Tapper, on 20 October 2009 - 08:49 AM, said:

one thing SE does not, so far, is cut these destinies short/ leave them unfulfilled in some way.

Well, sometimes he does. Thats his magic. Bottle has been two mans shaved knuckles, everone dreamed about his potential and now...well, hungry nahruk and goodbye our ace in sleeve! Thats live! Keneb dies totally off his predestined role for example.
BUT - I agree, I do not think that Bottle is dead:)

[Hellian's Keg Lid]

I think at the time, Bottle was more important than anyone else because of his connection to the Eres'al - and given how TBH ended hinging on the Eres'sal's intervention, I can see that.

[Abyss]

 Sinisdar Toste, on 19 October 2009 - 02:35 AM, said:

this is true, although in bottles case the magic he was using would have more likely left his body a vegetable and his mind torn to a million pieces. thats pretty exhausted

That's theory #1

 Urizen, on 19 October 2009 - 07:35 AM, said:

Not to mention that his body was in the first trench, behind the advancing Na'hruk lines. Not exactly the best place to be given the Na'hruk's eating habits.

#2...

 Bliss, on 19 October 2009 - 09:27 PM, said:

huh, for some reason i always pictured Fid somehow making sure bottle was ok and got dragged back as they retreated.
...

Fid or Cuttle... theory #3

 Ulrik, on 19 October 2009 - 11:22 PM, said:

Or is Bottle new form of D´Ivers? Bunch of wyvals, ale possesed by his mind...OK, it IS stupid and crazy thery, but...

#4!!! (and my fave tho unlilely given how much trouble he was having with the wyval brains beyond making them attack...)

 Tapper, on 20 October 2009 - 08:49 AM, said:

He is not dead. Not dead at all. I think in the BH it says that someone knows that Bottle is more important to the Bonehunters than QB and Kalam. ...While SE is a master of the tragic unnecessary death, he is not one to leave plotlines like these hanging, especially not since the Bonehunters are key to the story - and one thing SE does not, so far, is cut these destinies short/ leave them unfulfilled in some way.

Well, he could, but there's also Reep's 'prophecy' in RG that Bottle would 'betray them all' and that's a little difficult if he's Nahruk poo.

 Ulrik, on 20 October 2009 - 09:27 AM, said:

 Tapper, on 20 October 2009 - 08:49 AM, said:

one thing SE does not, so far, is cut these destinies short/ leave them unfulfilled in some way.

Well, sometimes he does. Thats his magic. Bottle has been two mans shaved knuckles, everone dreamed about his potential and now...well, hungry nahruk and goodbye our ace in sleeve! Thats live! Keneb dies totally off his predestined role for example.
BUT - I agree, I do not think that Bottle is dead:)

As do I.
There's many ways for him to have lived, from one of the marines dragging him along to an last second Eres'al or QB bail-out to the Wyval-possession option. I think we'll be seeing Bottle again


@Ulrik - Btw, what was 'Keneb's predestined role'?

- Abyss, predestined for pizza lunch!!!

[Powder]

I just read in tBH that Bottles grandma (who taught him stuff AND things) said that the sea would be the death of him. KCNR != sea therefore he cannot be dead.

Conversely I am firmly in the 'nah'ruk poo' camp. Why? Because someone important had to die in that onslaught, and knowing SE it was probably several someones.

[Animace]

I'm of the opinion that when Bottle "Left his body" to control the Wyval, he so over extended his power that he left his body behind. "You always said dont reach too far, grandma"

Id like to think Bottle is now a disembodied spirit/energy, akin to the land spirits which he used in his magic. Still there, just not corporeal anymore.

[Hellian's Keg Lid]

Telorast and Curdle style.... Oh please, please, let him possess Roach.

[Tremolo]

I am thinking more along the lines of a new Talamandas. A grumpy doll controlled by Quick Ben. :-)