[Sinisdar Toste]

fisher and toc the elder are two completely different people. all i'll say is RotCG

[WhiskeyJackDaniels]

Toc the Elder was part of the Old Guard of the Malazan Empire, and I think head of the claw. I don't remember anything about him ever being a poet.

[sunrise]

Im guessing Grizzen Farl

[Wampyry]

Whoever he is, I wish he would stop writing poetry and begin writing limericks. Maybe, I wil then understand him

[Eispeis]

Wampyry, on 09 December 2009 - 03:26 AM, said:

Whoever he is, I wish he would stop writing poetry and begin writing limericks. Maybe, I wil then understand him

Anomandaris 2.0 by Eispeis Kel-Tath

There once was an Andii from Kharkanas
Who proved to be a right badass
A huge burden he carried
but he never tarried
His ending, to us, seemed way too crass

Quick and dirty.

[Wampyry]

Eispeis, on 09 December 2009 - 09:45 AM, said:

Wampyry, on 09 December 2009 - 03:26 AM, said:

Whoever he is, I wish he would stop writing poetry and begin writing limericks. Maybe, I wil then understand him

Anomandaris 2.0 by Eispeis Kel-Tath

There once was an Andii from Kharkanas
Who proved to be a right badass
A huge burden he carried
but he never tarried
His ending, to us, seemed way too crass

Quick and dirty.

That's better! Have Rep

This post has been edited by Wampyry: 10 December 2009 - 03:22 AM

[maro]

Whilst I love SE's writing, I'm not so big a fan of his poetry. Heresy?

[champ]

probably best place to put this, couple random points to do with Fisher, nothing really informative though =D

First things just a quote i love, when Fisher is talking with Duiker about writing an "epic" on the chain of dogs:

"In the meantime, Duiker, let us fashion an epic to crush the hearts of a thousand generations"

but the main point to my post...

The bard leaned back, retrieving his tankard. "It begins with you," he said. "And it ends with you. Your eyes to witness,
your thoughts alone. Tell me of no one's mind, presume nothing of their workings. You and I, we tell nothing, we but show"

Just thought that last sentance also speaks loud for SE and ICE writing styles and wonder if SE put that in delib!

[Salt-Man Z]

champooon, on 04 January 2010 - 06:30 PM, said:

The bard leaned back, retrieving his tankard. "It begins with you," he said. "And it ends with you. Your eyes to witness,
your thoughts alone. Tell me of no one's mind, presume nothing of their workings. You and I, we tell nothing, we but show"

Just thought that last sentance also speaks loud for SE and ICE writing styles and wonder if SE put that in delib!

Since when does SE not do something deliberately? Brilliant catch.

This post has been edited by Salt-Man Z: 28 January 2010 - 05:25 PM

[Paran]

The poet is eternal...

[rhulad]

I'm going to go with Fisher being an ascendant of some sort, possibly elder. He seemed to know Envy pretty well, which leads me to believe that he's been around for a while.

I have always thought that it would be funny if he turned out to be Gothos disguised as a human because he got bored of being terrifyingly awesome...

[bilbo_elffriend]

rhulad, on 09 February 2010 - 05:29 PM, said:

I'm going to go with Fisher being an ascendant of some sort, possibly elder. He seemed to know Envy pretty well, which leads me to believe that he's been around for a while.

I have always thought that it would be funny if he turned out to be Gothos disguised as a human because he got bored of being terrifyingly awesome...

Yea, it does make a lil bit of sense if Fisher turns out to be an ascendant.
However, the most uber moment is when Envy and he fall in love. Granted, Envy is a shameless flirt, but then she is probably smart enough to only fall for some really cool dude. You know, someone immortal maybe... (just kidding)

But then even Envy confesses to not knowing enough about Fisher...which only makes this more interesting.

[Sanctume]

When Fisher attacked he Master Guild Assassin, he had some bard magic / ninja magic that paralyzed his target, and touching some nerve on his shoulder made him shat himself.

Definitely not just a poet.

I wonder what he knows about the pickled Seguleh.

[Uli]

I knwo this is a pretty dead thread and I am probably not adding anything new...

but I was just rereading the part where Fisher and Duiker start talking and came across what little Fisher does say about himself...


" 'Where are you from?' Duiker asked.

The bard drank down a mouthful and set the tankard carefully before him. 'Korel, originally. But that was a long time ago.'

'Malazan invasion?'

An odd smile as the man studied the tankard on the table before him. His hands, however, remained in his lap. 'If you mean Greymane, then yes.' "

[Trull's son]

Nice catch. May shed some light on greymane's character, if one were inclined to spend the time sifting through the books. have a rep.

[Whisperzzzzzzz]

I always thought of him as being like the god Gilean from the Dragonlance series. He is the chronicler, the historian. It's his duty to record all important happenings.
Also reminds me of the Watcher from the Marvel Universe, in that he (might be) destined to watch and record, but he sometimes feels that it is necessary from him to interfere in events.

This post has been edited by Whisper: 15 May 2010 - 08:17 PM

[champ]

Old thread but remembered what I posted above and just read this in an SE Q&A...

Quote

Toster: Writing Felisin's character was always a matter of staying as close as possible and showing not telling, making the writing not just tight, but terse.

http://www.tor.com/b...gates-questions

[World 8]

WhiskeyJackDaniels, on 23 October 2009 - 11:51 PM, said:

Toc the Elder was part of the Old Guard of the Malazan Empire, and I think head of the claw. I don't remember anything about him ever being a poet.

I'm 99% certain that Toc the Elder was not in the Claw. Also, wasn't Surly was head of the claw?

[ur-lord]

I saw Erikson do a reading some years ago in Seattle, for Toll the Hounds.

One audience question concerned the nature of Kruppe. Erikson would not admit anything, except that even his own kids (who are apparently old enough to bounce ideas) do not know exactly what/who Kruppe is. I'm not sure Erikson even knows, or even wants to, which is part of the fun.

But I was left with the impression that Fisher's character has also morphed in the series, and grown with the author Erikson as a writer. Fisher started as the occasional poet who Erikson used to introduce chapters, but at some point becomes an actual character, and a badass fighter, artiste, and womanizer nonetheless. To me, he's another great character, but a work in progress, intentionally ill-defined, and an obvious self-reference to the authors themselves, maybe tongue-in-cheek.