[Gamelon]

the long night, i am so hungry now, mentioning lunch before 12 is just cruel.

[Emurlahn]

Well if we go with Barghast statement that he knows that Kaschan is French. We have three French spies dead. So unless there is a 5th french man.

We are down two British Players, one of them was scum so very low probability of maybe another British scum.

I can see one team being entirely clean, but it would have to be balanced some how.

[Path-Shaper]

Gamelon, on 29 September 2009 - 10:50 AM, said:

the long night, i am so hungry now, mentioning lunch before 12 is just cruel.

13.31 here, now...

[Path-Shaper]

It is Night 4. 10 hours and 15 minutes remaining

Players still alive: Anomandaris, Barghast, Emurlahn, Galain, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Mockra, Omtose, Ruse

[Mockra]

morning all

Kaschan, Ii've got to admire your ability to BS in this game and get away with it.
first you do a "finder reveal" on a supposed French scum, and it returns a spy, and now you're accusing me?

I know, from one of my lovers connection that you can only die via a lynch. and now that someone's done a find on you, you counter by giving somebosy else your own role PM?

gutsy, i'll give you that.

I guess it just shows once again how desperate this board is for a finder to lead it. This is like mafia 18 all over again, when JA called someone scum, they came up cult, and he was made a hero by town.

[Kaschan]

I like your style Mockra.

Thank you for passing on that Meanas was a symp though, since I apparently foolishly mentioned things to Meanas and Tulas that you seem to be able to repeat. I guess that explains why Meanas claimed to be the Blond and his actual Greta Garbo character was seen meeting the Sniper Night 1! Or would you like to claim someone else was the lover that passed things on?


Perhaps you'd like to explain the fact that the Finder did a Find on me Night 1 or 2 and found me to by a Spy and not syndicate?

[Mockra]

First off, I was never a lover with Meanas

Second of all, if you're the "Mastermind" as the PM you posted claims to say, it's only natural you'd CF as inno--that echoes the "Godfather" role, which is a generic scum role, that is found innocent.

this hasn't been used since Mafia 14, when the person playing the role was found out as a scum by an insane finder, but that doesn't mean that Tapper couldn't have thought of putting that mechanic in.

[Kaschan]

Ahh right, so you managed to get the infomation from someone else?

You do realise everyone knows what character I am in the scenes and can work out what my actions have been?

[Gamelon]

you also realise that posting his own pm would have seen him modkilled whereas he is allowed to post yours.

[Mockra]

meh, he didn't post the entire role PM, for one thing.

not to mention that he's trying to frame me right now, so he isn't "revealing" in the sense that's implied in the rules as a mod-killable offence

[Gamelon]

Mockra, on 29 September 2009 - 01:15 PM, said:

First off, I was never a lover with Meanas

Second of all, if you're the "Mastermind" as the PM you posted claims to say, it's only natural you'd CF as inno--that echoes the "Godfather" role, which is a generic scum role, that is found innocent.

this hasn't been used since Mafia 14, when the person playing the role was found out as a scum by an insane finder, but that doesn't mean that Tapper couldn't have thought of putting that mechanic in.

two other things - one you seem to recognise the pm, you havent claimed its fake, you cliamed its kaschans. theres a subtle yet important difference.

second - an insane finder would be pointless as the scene tells us who it is is investigated. if the finder investigated the sniper there would be little doubt regardless of the response from pathshaper as to he allegiance of the player investigated.

[Mockra]

Kaschan, on 29 September 2009 - 01:20 PM, said:

Ahh right, so you managed to get the infomation from someone else?

You do realise everyone knows what character I am in the scenes and can work out what my actions have been?

nothing that says the mastermind can't be female
nothing that says your level 1 couldn't be role finder

[Gamelon]

Mockra, on 29 September 2009 - 01:38 PM, said:

meh, he didn't post the entire role PM, for one thing.

not to mention that he's trying to frame me right now, so he isn't "revealing" in the sense that's implied in the rules as a mod-killable offence

well i already investigated kaschan and i know they are a spy and from the scenes i know they are the leatherclad lady and no one has associated them with scum as they havent performed any scummy actions.

[Mockra]

Gamelon, on 29 September 2009 - 01:39 PM, said:

Mockra, on 29 September 2009 - 01:15 PM, said:

First off, I was never a lover with Meanas

Second of all, if you're the "Mastermind" as the PM you posted claims to say, it's only natural you'd CF as inno--that echoes the "Godfather" role, which is a generic scum role, that is found innocent.

this hasn't been used since Mafia 14, when the person playing the role was found out as a scum by an insane finder, but that doesn't mean that Tapper couldn't have thought of putting that mechanic in.

two other things - one you seem to recognise the pm, you havent claimed its fake, you cliamed its kaschans. theres a subtle yet important difference.

second - an insane finder would be pointless as the scene tells us who it is is investigated. if the finder investigated the sniper there would be little doubt regardless of the response from pathshaper as to he allegiance of the player investigated.

a) I don't think he's imaginative enough to fake a PM. much more likely, he's using his own as a basis. Which, combined with the fac that he's already set up Meanas would make sense.

b ) I never said he was insane, where you getting that from. the "mechanic" I was referring to was the Godfather one--suggesting that the Mastermind would CF as inno. It's been done before, not for a while, but we have had killing, full-fledged scum who CF inno.

[Kaschan]

Also Mockra from the rules,

Path shaper said:

11. Revealing name or abilities:
1a) publicly stating you are a thieving, sabotaging, conspirating, murdering, spying foreign agent out to bring down El Presidente is signing your own death warrant. Quoting from your Role PM on thread is thus a modkill-able offence

Quoting from the Role PM is a mod killable offence. Clearly if I'm the Mastermind I will be modkilled. I await the Mods hammer.

[Mockra]

Gamelon, on 29 September 2009 - 01:40 PM, said:

Mockra, on 29 September 2009 - 01:38 PM, said:

meh, he didn't post the entire role PM, for one thing.

not to mention that he's trying to frame me right now, so he isn't "revealing" in the sense that's implied in the rules as a mod-killable offence

well i already investigated kaschan and i know they are a spy and from the scenes i know they are the leatherclad lady and no one has associated them with scum as they havent performed any scummy actions.

Naturaly, they haven't. After all, a mastermind never reveals themselves till the end.
as for you finding him a spy--see my Godfather comment.

[Gamelon]

are you saying you cf as inno? is that what was blocked out from kas' find on you?

[Mockra]

Kaschan, on 29 September 2009 - 01:45 PM, said:

Also Mockra from the rules,

Path shaper said:

11. Revealing name or abilities:
1a) publicly stating you are a thieving, sabotaging, conspirating, murdering, spying foreign agent out to bring down El Presidente is signing your own death warrant. Quoting from your Role PM on thread is thus a modkill-able offence

Quoting from the Role PM is a mod killable offence. Clearly if I'm the Mastermind I will be modkilled. I await the Mods hammer.

right, except you're stating that al that you're doing is actually my doing.
quite an ingenious loophole.

[Gamelon]

Mockra, on 29 September 2009 - 01:47 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 29 September 2009 - 01:40 PM, said:

Mockra, on 29 September 2009 - 01:38 PM, said:

meh, he didn't post the entire role PM, for one thing.

not to mention that he's trying to frame me right now, so he isn't "revealing" in the sense that's implied in the rules as a mod-killable offence

well i already investigated kaschan and i know they are a spy and from the scenes i know they are the leatherclad lady and no one has associated them with scum as they havent performed any scummy actions.

Naturaly, they haven't. After all, a mastermind never reveals themselves till the end.
as for you finding him a spy--see my Godfather comment.

well when we lynch you, if you die we know he is lying, but if you survive we know you are.

[Mockra]

Gamelon, on 29 September 2009 - 01:47 PM, said:

are you saying you cf as inno? is that what was blocked out from kas' find on you?

no
since I know i'm not the mastermind, I'm looking for an explanation.
either there's a framer, or (more likely in my mind), Kas posted a portion of his role PM as a "find on me" to frame me.
if his level 1 power is find (which he started night 1), he'd want to omit that, naturally, so he puts a question mark there.

also, based on the role name, "Mastermind", i'm supposing that the role may have a "godfather"-like" property, where he CFs inno on finds--which would explain your own find result on him.