[HoosierDaddy]

And if the dollar's value falls precipitously, what does that do to the American economy?

[Adjutant Stormy~]

@ HD: Don't underestimate the Goths man... They kicked in the Romans' teeth more than a few times.
And the death of the Dollar would basically ruin the carefully constructed import-economy-house-of-cards we've built over the years. There would be some consumer, banking, investment chaos, but I think we'd get over it.

I think it's hilarious to think of a collection of states in orbit around California. We'd be the most rapidly bankrupted nation on earth. And to the craaazy Russian professor's credit- I don't think he really means that China, or Mexico would really own these territories, but they might sponsor them like the US does a lot of countries.

It's funny, also, to think that the larger states would head some kind of federal resistance, when they're the most heavily dependent (often because they wield such Congressional influence). It's actually a beautifully self-stabilizing system- the most economically and politically powerful states have rolled that influence into partnerships with the Feds, thereby increasing their vested interest in the national government.

The states (after a breakup) would be a fat lot of headless chickens. I know more than a few people here in California who have non-ironically talked about what we'd do in the event of secession.

This post has been edited by Adjutant Stormy: 18 September 2009 - 06:15 AM

[HoosierDaddy]

Thus, the whole Goths overrunning D.C. thing... We aren't Rome, and there aren't no Goths anymore.

This post has been edited by HoosierDaddy: 18 September 2009 - 06:16 AM

[Morgoth]

HoosierDaddy, on 18 September 2009 - 06:16 AM, said:

Thus, the whole Goths overrunning D.C. thing... We aren't Rome, and there aren't no Goths anymore.

I dunno, they're all over chicago

[HoosierDaddy]

I should have specified, Visigoths or Ostragoths. Not the Emogoths.

[Adjutant Stormy~]

Sigh, where's Alaric the Goth when you need him. And don't say in the dirt in Eastern Europe.Southern Italy.

[MTS]

So the South is going to become a Mexican-affiliated republic? That'll go down well...

I don't think it's drawing too long of a bow to imagine the free fall of the dollar. Japan dumping the dollar would have huge ramifications on world trade and foreign investment, and sooner of later this $12 trillion dollar debt will bury the US financially. The dollar is probably heading for a fall, I don't think many people would be certain it won't, but this guy is stark raving mad if he thinks his civil war predictions will come true.

This post has been edited by Mappo's Travelling Sack: 18 September 2009 - 09:01 AM

[Bauchelain the Evil]

Apart the fact that the entire theory is a bit ridiculous, the entire division of the USA has no sense. I really doubt that Canada or mexico would be able to control parts of the Usa and it's geographically umprobable that China and the EU( let's not talk about his theory of European Kingdom) can assimilate parts of the US. the only plausible theories are Alaska to Russia and Hawaii to Japan

[Mushroom]

From a couple of Americans that I have on Facebook, this thing has I dare say been making the rounds amongst the more right wing extreme conservatives.

Looking at the reactions it is simlar to what some of those 'tea party' protesters are saying, thats their own country.

Also, I seriously would not be surprised if this article was actually some sort of 'espionage' or subterfuge by the Russians to upset things in the US a little. They did do that sort of thing during the cold war

[HoosierDaddy]

If any American takes any bit of it as possible, throw them out of the intelligent category, and into the "I'll believe what I want," category, Mushroom.

It'd take someone with absolutely no idea of regional politics in America to believe this nuttiness. I can believe some weird shit about my country, but I can't make up partisan, regional, and cultural divides that this guy is just disregarding.

This post has been edited by HoosierDaddy: 21 September 2009 - 07:45 AM

[Terez]

HoosierDaddy, on 21 September 2009 - 07:45 AM, said:

If any American takes any bit of it as possible, throw them out of the intelligent category, and into the "I'll believe what I want," category, Mushroom.

It'd take someone with absolutely no idea of regional politics in America to believe this nuttiness. I can believe some weird shit about my country, but I can't make up partisan, regional, and cultural divides that this guy is just disregarding.

Yes, that was what struck me as soon as I saw the map. It just doesn't make much sense, especially sticking southern states with the Northeast.

[Gothos]

Mentalist, on 17 September 2009 - 05:43 PM, said:

in a big way, he IS responsible for the mess that was the 90's

I'm probably biased but I really, really appreciate they did it the fast way. we got out of their sphere of influence faster thanks to this.

[Cold Iron]

Mushroom, on 21 September 2009 - 07:39 AM, said:

From a couple of Americans that I have on Facebook, this thing has I dare say been making the rounds amongst the more right wing extreme conservatives.

Looking at the reactions it is simlar to what some of those 'tea party' protesters are saying, thats their own country.

Also, I seriously would not be surprised if this article was actually some sort of 'espionage' or subterfuge by the Russians to upset things in the US a little. They did do that sort of thing during the cold war

I'd be more inclined to believe it was initiated by the US right, I can't see Russians caring enough or coming up with this and thinking it would actually have an effect.

[Nicodimas]

If the United states ever did split up...That would be a terrible map!
California, Oregan and Washington are Very different places then Idaho, Az, Nevada and Utah.
Tennesee and Kentucky going with the Union ..To europe? /lol...FAIL.
I could see more states forming in certain areas,states demanding more power,etc.
This person doesn't understand America at all.

The America people are a strong people...we just need some new representation up there in D.C. We will sort it out in the end.

Texas is the only state capable of ever really pulling away due to there infrastructure. That state is very self contained and has some amazing things about just it. California loves centralized goverment far to much. Funny enough on a everyday level type of stuff, think how splitting up would effect Sports. People aren't going to let that happen. There is so many other tangibles besides just a economic crash in play. Now it would be different if a whole bunch of cities got wiped with nukes, or a plague or something , but an extremely unlikely scenario. I have been lately kinda been hoping after the crash happens, which will be brutal, that a renaissance happens in America.

This post has been edited by Nicodimas: 25 March 2010 - 06:31 AM

[Aristai]

The whole ongoing, out of control, war on drug cartels in Northern Mexico...Is really just a clever attempt to lull Texas into a false sense of border co-operation before the Mexicans pounce..Hand it to this nutty Russian, this has to be the most entertaining map I've sceen in ages. Loads better than that SarahPac gunshot crapass map.

[Soulessdreamer]

hes obviously wrong everyone with half a brain knows that when Hawaii splits from the union it will become part of a pan oceanic comonwealth with Austraila and New Zealand along with the other pacific nations. And they will seize control of the pacific and antarctica.

TTFN

[Telorast Mad]

An odd thing I noticed, which makes me wonder why anyone has taken him seriously, is that he doesn't ever actually outline HOW or WHY this would happen. He just likes to draw pretty Russian conquest fantasies. Yes, there are vague ideas about the dollar collapsing, but nothing about why only the dollar and not any other currency; the rest of the world is also feeling the recession.
Other than that I put it up on Facebook for those who haven't had their daily entertainment.

[Soulessdreamer]

Telorast Mad, on 25 April 2010 - 06:40 AM, said:

An odd thing I noticed, which makes me wonder why anyone has taken him seriously, is that he doesn't ever actually outline HOW or WHY this would happen. He just likes to draw pretty Russian conquest fantasies. Yes, there are vague ideas about the dollar collapsing, but nothing about why only the dollar and not any other currency; the rest of the world is also feeling the recession.
Other than that I put it up on Facebook for those who haven't had their daily entertainment.

dude psychohistory deals with the big picture not the details

TTFN

[Nicodimas]

http://thehill.com/h...by-gangster-gov
http://www.chicagobr...uards-help.html

Interesting times indeed. The goverment controlling 51% percent of all private business in America. The national Guard likely to be sent into south Chicago. Most likely other cities will request the national guard in every major metro city would follow quickly. Most states are releasing criminals, because they simply can't afford them. I know Phoenix has failed to hire Cops/FF's two years in a row and almost fired a bunch <more taxes saved them>.

It would be interesting to see NG troops in a major metro city and see how that profiling goes. I wonder since they can't afford to house them how the state would deal with all the gangs. Scary thoughts for sure.

[HoosierDaddy]

Nicodimas, on 27 April 2010 - 06:37 AM, said:

http://thehill.com/h...by-gangster-gov
http://www.chicagobr...uards-help.html

Interesting times indeed. The goverment controlling 51% percent of all private business in America. The national Guard likely to be sent into south Chicago. Most likely other cities will request the national guard in every major metro city would follow quickly. Most states are releasing criminals, because they simply can't afford them. I know Phoenix has failed to hire Cops/FF's two years in a row and almost fired a bunch <more taxes saved them>.

It would be interesting to see NG troops in a major metro city and see how that profiling goes. I wonder since they can't afford to house them how the state would deal with all the gangs. Scary thoughts for sure.

You are seriously going to use a piece about Bachman being a nut-job and a couple of Illinois state senators being ridiculously stupid as a citation for the ridiculous theory that "most likely other cities will request the national guard in every major metro city"? Seriously?

Do you have any fucking common sense? At all?

Or do you just read hysterical sensationalist headlines and think: "Holy fuck! This is going to happen! To the bomb shelter!"