[Mael]

Sinisdar Toste, on 06 October 2009 - 09:59 PM, said:

ah, no, i don't think that father light could just walk out of the woods all "hey there my names draconus!" and not completely upset the balance of the universe. the birth of light in kharkanas, ie: father light coming into contact with mother dark, was catastrophic and world changing. way above what draconus arriving in kharkanas caused, and probably way worse than draconus' entrance in DoD

hrm. Ill have to get back to you both in 2 months lol. I'm starting GotM again. I reread the series about every 2 books lol

[Hellian's Keg Lid]

Draconus is Night, Silchas goes on to talk about where he came from, and what he did, and how as said above, he gets shunted to the side for Father Light.

Kalyth also has that interesting thing to herself about the legends of Night laying down with Darkness and something happening to the moon. *has forgotten word for word*

[Abyss]

HoosierDaddy, on 16 September 2009 - 06:19 AM, said:

I'd note that characters seem to differ in how they behave in Erikson's and Esslemont's books. Whose, do you think Abyss, is more applicable to Dust of Dreams and The Crippled God?

The obvious answer you're looking for is that SE's interp gets priority for SE's books, but my point is that SE and ICE are consistent if you look at it from even the scattered of timelines (which are not important, not important, the timeline is not important...).

chaosek, on 02 October 2009 - 10:33 AM, said:

Doesn't he apologize after he makes his entrance? He says something like 'sorry, my love' (referring to MD I suppose). Besides you probably can't judge the nature of an elder god on the people he kills. Most consider ST and Cot to be 'good' guys but they slaughter a lot of people through the hounds in GoTM and ddon't mind sacrificing 1300 childern to defend a useless throne.

I think Drac has changed, but that doesn't necessarely mean he's nice to us lowly humans now.

Good points. I agree Drac isn't the same as he was - we see that well enough in the scene where Bottle, QB and the Letherii Ceda discuss Drac's invitation to chat, and how Drac deals with Ublala and the Bhargast women (and i still say Drac and Ublala is the best buddy pairing EVER). Note that he doesn't hesitate to kill the insane woman, but he does ask permission first.

Hellian, on 06 October 2009 - 10:05 PM, said:

Draconus is Night, Silchas goes on to talk about where he came from, and what he did, and how as said above, he gets shunted to the side for Father Light.
...

Yep. Tho a little confusing because it seemed that Drac was aspected to 'Night', really just another interp of 'Dark', but technically that makes him Mommy D's son. Since we've seen him appear as an Andii twice now, that says a lot about his origins and that of the Andii.

This also tells us that Mommy D is a skanky ho'.

- Abyss, knew Tiam had to get that from somewhere....

[Wampyry]

Draconus massacred two armies, not by accident - by design. He tracked them then deliberately killed them. As if he were making a statement! Later, he meets Ublala who says to him
"I'm supposed to save the world". Draconus replies, "And here I was contemplating killing it." Drac may have learned humility within Dragnipur
but he still is a cruel bastard. I think, and hope, that Ublala saves the
world by killing Draconus - as many times as necessary

[Urizen]

Wampyry, on 09 October 2009 - 01:20 AM, said:

Draconus massacred two armies, not by accident - by design. He tracked them then deliberately killed them. As if he were making a statement! Later, he meets Ublala who says to him
"I'm supposed to save the world". Draconus replies, "And here I was contemplating killing it." Drac may have learned humility within Dragnipur
but he still is a cruel bastard. I think, and hope, that Ublala saves the
world by killing Draconus - as many times as necessary

What?? Where does it say that? Draconus is sad and feels bad about what happens during his entrance into the world.
"He stood for a time, studying the scene on all sides. 'Ah, my love. Forgive me' does not give off the feel of a murderous bastard that deliberately and maliciously wiped out two armies.

The whole "I'm supposed to save the world", "And here I was contemplating killing it." bit was Draconus making a joke, not being really serious. especially as he says to Ublala "Be at ease Toblakai. You are reminding me that some things in this world remain worthwhile" right after.

[Hellian's Keg Lid]

I just giggled more that Sekara managed to survive his entrance and then the one person she walks into on the plain...

[Wampyry]

Urizen, on 09 October 2009 - 07:26 AM, said:

Wampyry, on 09 October 2009 - 01:20 AM, said:

Draconus massacred two armies, not by accident - by design. He tracked them then deliberately killed them. As if he were making a statement! Later, he meets Ublala who says to him
"I'm supposed to save the world". Draconus replies, "And here I was contemplating killing it." Drac may have learned humility within Dragnipur
but he still is a cruel bastard. I think, and hope, that Ublala saves the
world by killing Draconus - as many times as necessary

What?? Where does it say that? Draconus is sad and feels bad about what happens during his entrance into the world.
"He stood for a time, studying the scene on all sides. 'Ah, my love. Forgive me' does not give off the feel of a murderous bastard that deliberately and maliciously wiped out two armies.

The whole "I'm supposed to save the world", "And here I was contemplating killing it." bit was Draconus making a joke, not being really serious. especially as he says to Ublala "Be at ease Toblakai. You are reminding me that some things in this world remain worthwhile" right after.

I do not believe that Draconus descent was accidentally across the path of one battle and then descends onto the second battle. Why he destroyed the armies is unknown, but I can't attribute the carnage to an accident by and Elder God

[Sinisdar Toste]

i don't really think draconus had any control over where he was going to get spat out... i think he just got drawn to an area where things were converging. power draws power after all, the barghast and akrynnai just picked a bad place to kill each other

[chaosek]

Wampyry, on 09 October 2009 - 04:41 PM, said:

Urizen, on 09 October 2009 - 07:26 AM, said:

Wampyry, on 09 October 2009 - 01:20 AM, said:

Draconus massacred two armies, not by accident - by design. He tracked them then deliberately killed them. As if he were making a statement! Later, he meets Ublala who says to him
"I'm supposed to save the world". Draconus replies, "And here I was contemplating killing it." Drac may have learned humility within Dragnipur
but he still is a cruel bastard. I think, and hope, that Ublala saves the
world by killing Draconus - as many times as necessary

What?? Where does it say that? Draconus is sad and feels bad about what happens during his entrance into the world.
"He stood for a time, studying the scene on all sides. 'Ah, my love. Forgive me' does not give off the feel of a murderous bastard that deliberately and maliciously wiped out two armies.

The whole "I'm supposed to save the world", "And here I was contemplating killing it." bit was Draconus making a joke, not being really serious. especially as he says to Ublala "Be at ease Toblakai. You are reminding me that some things in this world remain worthwhile" right after.

I do not believe that Draconus descent was accidentally across the path of one battle and then descends onto the second battle. Why he destroyed the armies is unknown, but I can't attribute the carnage to an accident by and Elder God

Wasn't the first battle ravaged by the Naruk? Or at least so I thought. The first battle wasn't frozen like the second one was, it seemed more in line with the pawning lazors of the Naruk.

[Urizen]

Wampyry, on 09 October 2009 - 04:41 PM, said:

Urizen, on 09 October 2009 - 07:26 AM, said:

Wampyry, on 09 October 2009 - 01:20 AM, said:

Draconus massacred two armies, not by accident - by design. He tracked them then deliberately killed them. As if he were making a statement! Later, he meets Ublala who says to him
"I'm supposed to save the world". Draconus replies, "And here I was contemplating killing it." Drac may have learned humility within Dragnipur
but he still is a cruel bastard. I think, and hope, that Ublala saves the
world by killing Draconus - as many times as necessary

What?? Where does it say that? Draconus is sad and feels bad about what happens during his entrance into the world.
"He stood for a time, studying the scene on all sides. 'Ah, my love. Forgive me' does not give off the feel of a murderous bastard that deliberately and maliciously wiped out two armies.

The whole "I'm supposed to save the world", "And here I was contemplating killing it." bit was Draconus making a joke, not being really serious. especially as he says to Ublala "Be at ease Toblakai. You are reminding me that some things in this world remain worthwhile" right after.

I do not believe that Draconus descent was accidentally across the path of one battle and then descends onto the second battle. Why he destroyed the armies is unknown, but I can't attribute the carnage to an accident by and Elder God

The first battle was "interrupted" by the Naruk and as to the second battle you have to blame the Errant if you have to blame anyone (I believe it was an accident) as he maybe, possibly was the one that "summoned" and drew Draconus towards the Wastelands and the convergance.

[Wampyry]

chaosek'
Wasn't the first battle ravaged by the Naruk? Or at least so I thought. The first battle wasn't frozen like the second one was, it seemed more in line with the pawning lazors of the Naruk.


Utizen. The first battle was "interrupted" by the Naruk and as to the second battle you have to blame the Errant if you have to blame anyone (I believe it was an accident) as he maybe, possibly was the one that "summoned" and drew Draconus towards the Wastelands and the convergance

Okay, you guys win. I re-read the scene of the first battle and susequent disaster. Certainly appears to be the Nahruk. Therefore, Dranconus is not the bastard I thought. My apologies to all. Now I have ro re-read the whole book. Damn!

This post has been edited by Wampyry: 10 October 2009 - 12:48 AM