[Urizen]

Silencer, on 26 September 2009 - 10:48 PM, said:

But why would it be Nerruse, rather than Mael? Why would she interfere on Gudd's behalf? We've seen magical swords respond to nearby danger/magic before, however.

Well we don't really know the when/why/how of the Stormriders. Maybe Nerruse was/is somehow involved with them or in their creation. All we know about the Stormriders is that maybe, perhaps they are a Jaghut creation gone awry. For all we know the Stormriders came into being thanks to some sort of joint effort between Nerruse and some jaghut/s.

[beru]

beru and nerusse probably...
and dont forget that beru was male in GOTM (lord of storms)

[Venerus]

Awesome list! A few corrections/suggestions/notes:

Abyss, on 09 September 2009 - 10:49 PM, said:

Chance - wielded by Paran, invested by Oponn, acquired by Cotillion. was lucky for the wielder until it wasn't.

Otataral sword - wielded by Adjunct Lorn, broken by Paran, shard used against Poliel, Trygalle took the rest. negates magic. tavore has the same kind of sword, tho' not the one Lorn used.

Tool's sword - his original sword and his later one were both two handed Imass swords, invested by Kilava to be unbreakable. The suggestion is that all Imass weapons are similarly invested, tho' we don't actually know if that's true. It was suggested the knife and arrows Tool made for Toc were 'special'.

Lady Envy essentially says that all T'lan Imass weapons were blessed to be unbreakable with the ritual. She says that T'ool's weapon is unbreakable *because* it's an Imass weapon, not because it is specially special itself.

Abyss, on 09 September 2009 - 10:49 PM, said:

Dragnipur - made by Draconus, taken by Rake, broken by Brood. Had the gate to Mommy D and a small world inside it, powered by souls, frikkin heavy.

Vengeance/Grief - belonged to Rake, then Andarist, now Dessembrae. Makes a wielder of 'singular will' almost invulnerable. Still impressive for lesser people.

Bairoth Delum - two handed stone sword made by Karsa. Invested by the Unbound to be unbreakable. Karsa's original two companions' ghosts live in it.

Icarium's single edged sword - not really clear if the sword itself is special, other than being really old. It did cut through Karsa's old bloodwood sword in one swipe.

Actually, he cut through Karsa's new ironwood sword in one swipe. His Bloodwood sword has fallen apart long before he ever meets Iccy.

Abyss, on 09 September 2009 - 10:49 PM, said:

Kalam's otataral long knife - wickan long knives are described as being as big as a short sword, so here it is. Has otataral and was invested/made by a Thelomen High Mage, possibly Bellurdan. Stabs things really well. Negates magic.

This is correct; the otataral (Wickan/Crow Clan) one was invested by Bellurdan, with an elder warren (needed to overcome the effects of otataral, since elder warrens are seemingly resistant).

HoC, 271 -- "The entire blade, also black, was feather-patterned, the inlay an amber-tinged silver -- that amber taint... alloyed with otataral... Crow clan. But not a lowly warrior's weapon"
and, from vendor:
"Invested, this one. How to challenge the otataral? Simple. Elder magic"
and, from Kalam:
"Fenn. Thelomen Toblakai. The Wickan had a friend indeed. And worse, I know that mark. I know precisely who invested this weapon. Gods below, what strange cycles am I striding into here?"

[Silencer]

Abyss, on 25 September 2009 - 02:09 PM, said:

Silencer, on 25 September 2009 - 06:24 AM, said:

One of Kalam's long-knives is Otataral, the other invested with Elder magic, thus allowing it to defeat the Otataral present in the other blade.

Also doubt that the Watch's Hust sword was Rake's - he had Vengeance/Grief, then Dragnipur. No need for a Hust weapon.

I also wonder whether Vengeance was an invested Hust weapon, but that's an aside. I don't recall anything from HoC or RG to suggest one way or the other.

Just bringing this back up. imo, there is no reason for Vengeance to be of Hust origin. Like Dragnipur, it seems to me to be a weapon that, quite simply, does not need caring for. Not in the Hust sense, of self-repair, but rather in the this-weapon-is-so-badass-it-won't-get-damaged sense. XD
Of more interest, would be where the thing rates on the Hust-scale (y'know, the thrice-tested stuff, about breaking other swords).

And what of Icarium's blade? That seems like the eponymous sword-breaker!

Seriously, all these little tidbits really made this book, for me. Soo much to think about. XD

[Binder of Demons]

Was there a name for the sword that Stormy was minding for that T'Lan Imass in tBH (whose name escapes me at the moment)?

[Abyss]

No name, but that fact that it was an Imass weapon and linked to Legana Breed was significant.

- Abyss, "It's scratched."....LOL!

[Corabb Bhilan Thenu'alas]

Ok, so how about some of the weapons the "Women of Wu" (I'd like to see that playboy pictorial!)wield?
Samar Devs spirit binding knife.
Seren Dipidy's Imass stone imass spear game worn by the Knight of Shadow in his last battle.
and last but not least, Scilara's pipe! (Cheech and Chongilicious)

[BridgeBurner]

Abyss, on 25 September 2009 - 02:09 PM, said:

One of Kalam's knives was T3 forged - was it the otataral one or the other one? Iirc, the not-otataral one wasn't invested, just a really nice knife. But i don't recall any ref to Elder warrens being involved? Also, anyone remember whether ST drops Kalam in the Azath with both knivbes or just the ottie one?

- Abyss, cut off.

I checked the passage in BH. Both long knives were put back into their sheathes.

[Sinisdar Toste]

Corabb Bhilan Thenu, on 01 October 2009 - 11:57 PM, said:

Ok, so how about some of the weapons the "Women of Wu" (I'd like to see that playboy pictorial!)wield?
Samar Devs spirit binding knife.
Seren Dipidy's Imass stone imass spear game worn by the Knight of Shadow in his last battle.
and last but not least, Scilara's pipe! (Cheech and Chongilicious)

Kilmandaros' fists! love her moniker "she who speaks with her fists"

[Sotgnomen]

Just wanna put in that Skulldeath's swords are only falchions of a special shape, with their real-world counterparts.
Can't recall them being invested, just heavy and strange.
Think Morgan Freeman in Prince of Thieves.
Really cool even so..

[Illuyankas]

vaiski, on 10 September 2009 - 07:45 AM, said:

Spinnock Durav also had a Hust sword. It had been passed along in his family if I recall correctly. Last time spotted lying somewhere in Darujhistan.

Nearly finished my TTH reread, and the last time Spinnock's Hust sword was spotted was shortly after it was broken in half by Kallor's claymore, which should also be on the list of swords after that performance.

[Abyss]

BridgeBurner, on 02 October 2009 - 06:16 PM, said:

Abyss, on 25 September 2009 - 02:09 PM, said:

...anyone remember whether ST drops Kalam in the Azath with both knivbes or just the ottie one?...

I checked the passage in BH. Both long knives were put back into their sheathes.

rep delivered.

Illuyankas, on 24 October 2009 - 07:58 PM, said:

vaiski, on 10 September 2009 - 07:45 AM, said:

Spinnock Durav also had a Hust sword. ..

Nearly finished my TTH reread, and the last time Spinnock's Hust sword was spotted was shortly after it was broken in half by Kallor's claymore, which should also be on the list of swords after that performance.

Agreed, hence, updated version below, weapons more or less in order of appearance in the series and few not-swords included just because...


Dragnipur - made by Draconus, taken by Rake, broken by Brood. Had the gate to Mommy D and a small world inside it, powered by souls, frikkin heavy. may kill with just a scratch.

Chance - wielded by Paran, invested by Oponn, acquired by Cotillion. was lucky for the wielder until it wasn't.

Otataral sword - wielded by Adjunct Lorn, broken by Paran, shard used against Poliel, Trygalle took the rest. negates magic. tavore has the same kind of sword, tho' not the same one Lorn used. can nullify warren magic (tho not Elder warrens). tends to give the bearer healing and some kind of 'awareness'.

Tool's sword - his original sword and his later one were both two handed Imass stone swords, invested by Kilava to be unbreakable. The suggestion is that all Imass weapons are similarly invested, tho' we don't actually know if that's true. It was hinted that the knife and arrows Tool made for Toc were 'special'.

Icarium's single edged sword - not really clear if the sword itself is special, other than being really old. It did cut through Karsa's second wood sword in one swipe.

Mappo's Mace - basically an invested t-rex thigh bone.

Kallor's Big Ass Sword - It's big, it can cut through dragons, and it's as old as he is, which is saying alot.

Vengeance/Grief - belonged to Rake, then Andarist, then Dessembrae. Makes a wielder of 'singular will' almost invulnerable. Still impressive for lesser people.

Bairoth Delum - two handed stone sword made by Karsa. Invested by the Unbound to be unbreakable. Karsa's original two companions' ghosts live in it. so to speak.

Kalam's long knives - Acquired in HoC, the Wickan long knives are described as being as big as a short sword, so here they are. One has otataral and was invested/made by Bellurdan. Stabs things really well. Negates magic.

Rhulad's sword - made by Withal from shards of Silchas Ruin's two short swords that were shattered by a Matron just before he was betrayed by Scabby Bloodeye, this fine piece of work fights for the wielder, and links them to the Crippled God so that they die and come back to life, each time stronger and more skilled. And crazy. Presumably broken by Withal at the end of RG.

Glory Goat and Sarat Wept - two 'cursed' Letherii blue steel swords Brys and the Ceda gave to Silchas Ruin. They 'moan' when struck on steel - Goat apprently sounds like adying goat, go figure. Self-sharpening and self-healing of nicks and dents as long as they have enough material. Sarat was supposed to shatter when its wielder died, but didn't.

Kyle's first sword - an ordinary long sword but 'blessed' by an avowed mage with an air symbol. carries Osserc in it for a while before it breaks.

Osserc's sword - big shiny glowing blade that cuts through just about anything. Ossi gave this to Kyle to replace his earlier sword.

Rill's two longswords - originally wielded by a champion of Li Heng, Rill took these when Rylandaras was released and carried them through the book. they don't break, which is impressive considering some of the stuff he does with them.

Spinnock Durav's longsword - a Hust blade, may have been broken by Kallor, tho being a Hust blade, it may grow back.

Ruthan Gudd's Stormrider sword - appears to give the wielder 'ice' magic, tho' it is damn cold and can kill them. Seems to react to sorcery.

The Watch's Hust blade - wielded by either Rake or Ruin, tossed in the sea when it broke but it grew back and was claimed by the Watch.

Rilk - Ublala's axe. Made from dragon parts.

Draconus' sword - it's not really clear in DoD just what it does but it's described as a great big black nasty thing and he basically conjures it, so here it is.


- Abyss, shapest knife in the drawer.

[Urizen]

Illuyankas, on 24 October 2009 - 07:58 PM, said:

vaiski, on 10 September 2009 - 07:45 AM, said:

Spinnock Durav also had a Hust sword. It had been passed along in his family if I recall correctly. Last time spotted lying somewhere in Darujhistan.

Nearly finished my TTH reread, and the last time Spinnock's Hust sword was spotted was shortly after it was broken in half by Kallor's claymore, which should also be on the list of swords after that performance.

Did Spinnock's sword really break though? I seem to remember that Kallor "merely" knocked it out of Spin's hands and sent it flying. Afterwards Korlat wants to retrive it but Spin tells her to leave it.

[Illuyankas]

Ah, the blade itself was fine, the pommel and grip were pretty much annihilated though. Slight reading comprehension fail there.

This post has been edited by Illuyankas: 24 October 2009 - 09:54 PM

[Mentalist]

small correction, ' byss
Ruin's two short swords shattered from a Matron's death screech, not when he was stabbed by Scabby.

Which i suppose adresses the point that Rhulad's weapon was not made form bits and pieces of Hust swords.

This post has been edited by Mentalist: 26 October 2009 - 11:43 PM

[Abyss]

Mentalist, on 26 October 2009 - 11:42 PM, said:

small correction, ' byss
Ruin's two short swords shattered from a Matron's death screech, not when he was stabbed by Scabby.

Which i suppose adresses the point that Rhulad's weapon was not made form bits and pieces of Hust swords.

Correction noted, post editted accordingly.

We don't know whether Ruin's swords were Hust weapons. It really doesn't seem like Hust weapons were common, even among the Andii, ... call it lack of dragon blood conveniently available... arguably, if they had been, Withal may have had more of a problem making Rhulad's sword, i suppose.... but i don't see how it would really make a difference.


Interesting that Letherii blue steel shares the 'heals nicks and dents' attribute that Hust, bloodwood and blackwood weapons have.

Hust, bloodwood and blackwood both link to elder warrens (SD the first two, KE the latter)... i wonder what the Letherii blue steel angle was...

- Abyss, ...may have stumbled onto something there...

[eiji]

dosnt Brys sword get a shout

[Abyss]

eiji, on 27 October 2009 - 11:04 PM, said:

dosnt Brys sword get a shout

Brys was an exceptionally talented swordman but his sword was no more special than Whiskeyjack's, by example. Why include it?

- Abyss, non-inclusive.

[Powder]

Abyss, on 28 October 2009 - 06:25 PM, said:

eiji, on 27 October 2009 - 11:04 PM, said:

dosnt Brys sword get a shout

Brys was an exceptionally talented swordman but his sword was no more special than Whiskeyjack's, by example. Why include it?

- Abyss, non-inclusive.

What about metaphorical swords? Perhaps the First Sword of the Emprie should be included? It had all the parts of a regular sword, temper, ferrule, etc? I think Dassems group should get the credit it deserves if for nothing else than sheer badassery...

-Powder

[Abyss]

Powder, on 28 October 2009 - 07:34 PM, said:

Abyss, on 28 October 2009 - 06:25 PM, said:

eiji, on 27 October 2009 - 11:04 PM, said:

dosnt Brys sword get a shout

Brys was an exceptionally talented swordman but his sword was no more special than Whiskeyjack's, by example. Why include it?

- Abyss, non-inclusive.

What about metaphorical swords? Perhaps the First Sword of the Emprie should be included? It had all the parts of a regular sword, temper, ferrule, etc? I think Dassems group should get the credit it deserves if for nothing else than sheer badassery...

-Powder

Btw, show of hands, how many people didn't know a 'ferrule' was a part of a sword?

- Abyss, figured he was just a really aggressive form of 'feral'...