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Also remember that the Azath are repositories for the Lost Elementals. Maybe they were worried that the CG'd get his grubby mitts on them.

[Munchies]

lobo the wolfman, on 07 August 2009 - 09:37 AM, said:

Do we know the Azath predated the Holds, how about the old system of Wandering? and do we know for sure they are they are separate? why would they be. When Silverfox and Paran are talking in MOI she mentions that the Deck of Dragons and the Houses of the Azath are connected and that there could have been older Decks as well which are part of the Holds.

Yes the Warrens are of K'ruls making but the Holds aren't, and the Azath where connected to the Holds, so why not the Warrens?

I have only read up to MOI, but what I have read so far is that K'rul did NOT create all of the warrens. Atleast not according to the prologue in MOI.
Here is the part I refer to with the beast that followed the 3 EG when they went after Kallor. If I am wrong then please state so without much spoilers hehe


"The three distant figures unveiled warrens, each vanishing into their Elder realms."
"The beast elected to follow none of them. They were young entities as far as he and his mate were concerened, and the warren she might have fled to was, in comparison to those Elder Gods, ancient."

Togg in reference to K'rul, Drac, and their sister?
The warren he referred to was in fact older than K'rul?
Please clarify if I am wrong.

[D'rek]

Munchies, on 23 October 2009 - 08:58 PM, said:

lobo the wolfman, on 07 August 2009 - 09:37 AM, said:

Do we know the Azath predated the Holds, how about the old system of Wandering? and do we know for sure they are they are separate? why would they be. When Silverfox and Paran are talking in MOI she mentions that the Deck of Dragons and the Houses of the Azath are connected and that there could have been older Decks as well which are part of the Holds.

Yes the Warrens are of K'ruls making but the Holds aren't, and the Azath where connected to the Holds, so why not the Warrens?

I have only read up to MOI, but what I have read so far is that K'rul did NOT create all of the warrens. Atleast not according to the prologue in MOI.
Here is the part I refer to with the beast that followed the 3 EG when they went after Kallor. If I am wrong then please state so without much spoilers hehe


"The three distant figures unveiled warrens, each vanishing into their Elder realms."
"The beast elected to follow none of them. They were young entities as far as he and his mate were concerened, and the warren she might have fled to was, in comparison to those Elder Gods, ancient."

Togg in reference to K'rul, Drac, and their sister?
The warren he referred to was in fact older than K'rul?
Please clarify if I am wrong.

It's contestable. Some would say that Togg merely thinks he is older because he existed in the Malaziworld before the other EGs came to the Malaziworld...

[Slaav]

The "warren" Togg entered was Chaos (he found toc in there later and it was mentioned that he had been in there a long time). Order was created out of the Chaos that already existed and shaped by K'rul to form the warrens, chaos is not technically a warren (its unaspected and formless) but more a source of power outside the warrens (I believe QB describes it this way in GotM). Even the CG who uses chaos as his main brand of sorcery has a warren separate from chaos itself. Thus K'rul is still the creator of all the warrens yet chaos is still older. Quote explained