[Morgoth]

Aye, sorry for the inconvenience of it, but it does seem to me that you've managed well without my brilliance ..


I've been pointing this out for a few days though, and nothing has lessende my impression of bwgan as scum. I especially don't care about how she tries to shrug of the suspicions thrown her way as just pointless meta. It definitly is much more than that. From my side anyways. It's not like I've played that many games with her.

To me, bwgan seems the killer and each post I read from her just strenghtens it. There's so much apeasement, so much work towards pushing suspicions without being seen to do so. She's scrambling along the middle road and I don't like it one bit.

Now, digging through the thread just demands more energy than I have to spare (I just got home from a 7 - 18:30 focused work day) but I trust that you're all experienced enough to, if not agree with me, then at least see where I get my impressions from in regards to her.

So then vote bwgan

[Obdigore]

drinksinbars, on Aug 6 2009, 11:50 AM, said:

Morgoth, on Aug 6 2009, 05:46 PM, said:

drinksinbars, on Aug 6 2009, 06:31 PM, said:

dont let me having a sore head affect you, i am interested in your opinion on morgy, cause he has been largely absent sonce the find result.

I've just had much more than I expected to do at work. One of the cases I've been working on has turned into a full fledged legal battle and I'm spending most of my days in corespondence with a law firm consisting of lawyers who have absolutely no idea what they're talking about. It's great fun but very taxing, so I find I have little energy to spend on mafia in the evnings.

It's a shame in some ways, because I've been wanting to play this game for some time, but alas. Still, I wouldn't marginalize my input as much as you guys have. I've given my opinion in as much as I've had the chance to form one of value, and I still stand by what I've been saying now for the last three days. bwgan is the killer and that's that.

then vote by your conviction mate. as above i dont see how you could be a killer with bents reveal. you could of course be a symp, but you havent defended anyone so chances of that are low.

I'm trying to say Morgy might not have HAD to defend anyone, because they were never under pressure.

Who never had many votes and is still alive? SM + Shin + Bwgan. Now, Morgy keeps half-assed saying he thinks Bwgan is a killer, but he has played enough games that dosen't mean we can rule her out, if we assume Morgy is a symp.

[drinksinbars]

Obdigore, on Aug 6 2009, 05:55 PM, said:

drinksinbars, on Aug 6 2009, 11:48 AM, said:

Obdigore, on Aug 6 2009, 05:45 PM, said:

drinksinbars, on Aug 6 2009, 11:43 AM, said:

bwgan, on Aug 6 2009, 05:38 PM, said:

@ DiBs - Well my opinion on Morgy is that the post I quoted is rubbish...and if that one is rubbish how many more are? So what reason would he have to lie? Ummmm,...

@ Bent - You are my favourite too you know that...believing you are probably scum (in the nicest possible way) has nothing to do with it.

thats the thing, usually he has a case or two every game and he usually doesnt last this long, if bent hadnt of cleared him i would have been very suspicious.

That is assuming bent is a finder, as well as assuming morgy isn't a symp.

I mean... what if his masters are DIBS and Bent and they didn't know Morgy was their symp?

If you guys want to throw possibilities out there, put them all out there.

well my problem with that is day 1 i was trying tp push bents lynch quite hard, while toward the end bent was pushing morgos lynch so i while i could be on morgos team, i couldnt be on bents and he couldnt be on morgos. regardless of which way we look at it bent guilty or inno clears morgo. so if we are going to lynch it needs to be someone else.

At this point i am almost desperate enough to look at who wasnt on at the time of the reveal as its less likely that any killers or the evil guard was on (assuming bent is telling the truth).

Unless bent is your symp or morgy is bents symp.

It could be

Bent + Shin? Bwgan? with Morgy as Symp?

Or DIBS + Morgy, with Bent only knowing DIBS as master?

With 11 people, I'm not sure we can count on Killer+Killer+Symp as the role distribution.

I also think Tapper was rolled, and he could have very well been the Guard who Guarded Bent, assuming that wasn't a lie.

It could also be Bwgan + Shin with SM or D'rek as symp - I still think its very odd that SM said after I left for sleep during day one that he wanted to continue the pissing match with me when I got back, and he attempted to force it. His play has been very bad all game long if he is an inno.

It could be DIBS + SM with Morgy as a symp. Right now with the lack of participation from a lot of people, I can't tell who is what.

well i know its not me, and i dont see how bent and morgy could be teamed. if bent is the killer i can pretty much guess we are fucked as we cant get a lynch on him today as we just couldnt get the votes. if there was anyone else on i would suggest lynching you obdi now i know you cant be paired with bent. you have hogged the limelight and refused tovote bent day 1. if you are not a symp i would be very very surprised.

[drinksinbars]

Obdigore, on Aug 6 2009, 05:57 PM, said:

drinksinbars, on Aug 6 2009, 11:50 AM, said:

Morgoth, on Aug 6 2009, 05:46 PM, said:

drinksinbars, on Aug 6 2009, 06:31 PM, said:

dont let me having a sore head affect you, i am interested in your opinion on morgy, cause he has been largely absent sonce the find result.

I've just had much more than I expected to do at work. One of the cases I've been working on has turned into a full fledged legal battle and I'm spending most of my days in corespondence with a law firm consisting of lawyers who have absolutely no idea what they're talking about. It's great fun but very taxing, so I find I have little energy to spend on mafia in the evnings.

It's a shame in some ways, because I've been wanting to play this game for some time, but alas. Still, I wouldn't marginalize my input as much as you guys have. I've given my opinion in as much as I've had the chance to form one of value, and I still stand by what I've been saying now for the last three days. bwgan is the killer and that's that.

then vote by your conviction mate. as above i dont see how you could be a killer with bents reveal. you could of course be a symp, but you havent defended anyone so chances of that are low.

I'm trying to say Morgy might not have HAD to defend anyone, because they were never under pressure.

Who never had many votes and is still alive? SM + Shin + Bwgan. Now, Morgy keeps half-assed saying he thinks Bwgan is a killer, but he has played enough games that dosen't mean we can rule her out, if we assume Morgy is a symp.

well we could call his bluff but as bent pointed out, bwgan isnt going to self vote so we couldnt get that lynch even if we wanted to.

[Bent]

drinksinbars, on Aug 6 2009, 12:55 PM, said:

out of those three i would say shin is most likely the killer. i still think if slick was evil he would not be voting for night or suggesting it two nights in a row to give us the best chance of voting scum off. dk hasnt struck me as scum at any point and i can usually tell when he is scum.

Gotta disagree, slick looks more scummy to me, not only based on the Obi slick pissing match (which could just be distancing) but based on his actions (calling for the gaurd o reveal etc.)

[drinksinbars]

@bent - ok i will give you that, but do you think he is scum or symp?

[Obdigore]

8 Players still alive: Bent, Bwgan, Dibs, Dkt, Morgy, Obdi, Shinrei, Slick

So lets take a look at groupings - I am going to remove myself because I know I'm inno.

Bent + Bwgan? Probably not.
Bent + DIBS? No.
Bent + DKT? Was DK on when bent revealed? Had he voted for Bent? I don't _think_ so but need to check.
Bent + Morgy? Possible but highly unlikely after the 'PI' thing from Bent.
Bent + Shinrei? Possible. I don't think they have gone after each other much.
Bent + Slick? Doubtfull. They have been going at each other for most of the game. If so, they have done a very good job of distancing.

Bwgan + DIBS? Possible. Nothing much between them.
Bwgan + DKT? Possible. Nothing much between them.
Bwgan + Morgy? Probably not, Unless bwgan is morgy's symp. I'm looking for knowing pairs here so going to discount this one.
Bwgan + Shinrei? Possible. Vote together often, might be too obvious.
Bwgan + Slick? Possible. Not much between them.

DIBS + DKT? Possible. DIBS has been sort of defending DKT all game. They have been on the same page a lot.
DIBS + Morgy? Possible. It would have to have Bent as Symp - and a Symp fake revealing Finder then doing a find on Morgy coming up inno is a tactic to consider. Ballsy, but possible.
DIBS + Shinrei? Doubfull in my mind.
DIBS + Slick? Possible. They don't seem to say much to each other even though they are on at the same time a bit.

DKT + Morgy? Again Bent would have to be symp. - Its possible, but I think Morgy would be playing more and seeming more 'himself' if hes a killer.
DKT + Shinrei? Have not seem much of anything between them.
DKT + Slick ? Have not seen much of anything between them.

Morgy + Shinrei? No idea here.
Morgy + Slick? No idea here either.

Shinrei + Slick? Possible. Very Very possible. Maybe I just think that because I think SM has played a scummy game.

[Obdigore]

drinksinbars, on Aug 6 2009, 11:59 AM, said:

Obdigore, on Aug 6 2009, 05:55 PM, said:

drinksinbars, on Aug 6 2009, 11:48 AM, said:

Obdigore, on Aug 6 2009, 05:45 PM, said:

drinksinbars, on Aug 6 2009, 11:43 AM, said:

bwgan, on Aug 6 2009, 05:38 PM, said:

@ DiBs - Well my opinion on Morgy is that the post I quoted is rubbish...and if that one is rubbish how many more are? So what reason would he have to lie? Ummmm,...

@ Bent - You are my favourite too you know that...believing you are probably scum (in the nicest possible way) has nothing to do with it.

thats the thing, usually he has a case or two every game and he usually doesnt last this long, if bent hadnt of cleared him i would have been very suspicious.

That is assuming bent is a finder, as well as assuming morgy isn't a symp.

I mean... what if his masters are DIBS and Bent and they didn't know Morgy was their symp?

If you guys want to throw possibilities out there, put them all out there.

well my problem with that is day 1 i was trying tp push bents lynch quite hard, while toward the end bent was pushing morgos lynch so i while i could be on morgos team, i couldnt be on bents and he couldnt be on morgos. regardless of which way we look at it bent guilty or inno clears morgo. so if we are going to lynch it needs to be someone else.

At this point i am almost desperate enough to look at who wasnt on at the time of the reveal as its less likely that any killers or the evil guard was on (assuming bent is telling the truth).

Unless bent is your symp or morgy is bents symp.

It could be

Bent + Shin? Bwgan? with Morgy as Symp?

Or DIBS + Morgy, with Bent only knowing DIBS as master?

With 11 people, I'm not sure we can count on Killer+Killer+Symp as the role distribution.

I also think Tapper was rolled, and he could have very well been the Guard who Guarded Bent, assuming that wasn't a lie.

It could also be Bwgan + Shin with SM or D'rek as symp - I still think its very odd that SM said after I left for sleep during day one that he wanted to continue the pissing match with me when I got back, and he attempted to force it. His play has been very bad all game long if he is an inno.

It could be DIBS + SM with Morgy as a symp. Right now with the lack of participation from a lot of people, I can't tell who is what.

well i know its not me, and i dont see how bent and morgy could be teamed. if bent is the killer i can pretty much guess we are fucked as we cant get a lynch on him today as we just couldnt get the votes. if there was anyone else on i would suggest lynching you obdi now i know you cant be paired with bent. you have hogged the limelight and refused tovote bent day 1. if you are not a symp i would be very very surprised.

Bent and Morgy could only be teamed if Morgy is the symp.

I have not hogged the limelight, the rest of you fuckers have posted 10 times a day. Except for SM who likes to spam spam spam spam. What happens when I'm not on? All you guys do is talk about me, and then don't do anything.

It isn't my fault you guys won't talk about each other or go through stuff like this.

[Morgoth]

Bent, on Aug 6 2009, 07:01 PM, said:

drinksinbars, on Aug 6 2009, 12:55 PM, said:

out of those three i would say shin is most likely the killer. i still think if slick was evil he would not be voting for night or suggesting it two nights in a row to give us the best chance of voting scum off. dk hasnt struck me as scum at any point and i can usually tell when he is scum.

Gotta disagree, slick looks more scummy to me, not only based on the Obi slick pissing match (which could just be distancing) but based on his actions (calling for the gaurd o reveal etc.)

not to mention he wanted the guard to reveal.

[Bent]

drinksinbars, on Aug 6 2009, 01:05 PM, said:

@bent - ok i will give you that, but do you think he is scum or symp?

vocal scum.

[Bent]

Obdigore, on Aug 6 2009, 01:08 PM, said:

drinksinbars, on Aug 6 2009, 11:59 AM, said:

Obdigore, on Aug 6 2009, 05:55 PM, said:

drinksinbars, on Aug 6 2009, 11:48 AM, said:

Obdigore, on Aug 6 2009, 05:45 PM, said:

drinksinbars, on Aug 6 2009, 11:43 AM, said:

bwgan, on Aug 6 2009, 05:38 PM, said:

@ DiBs - Well my opinion on Morgy is that the post I quoted is rubbish...and if that one is rubbish how many more are? So what reason would he have to lie? Ummmm,...

@ Bent - You are my favourite too you know that...believing you are probably scum (in the nicest possible way) has nothing to do with it.

thats the thing, usually he has a case or two every game and he usually doesnt last this long, if bent hadnt of cleared him i would have been very suspicious.

That is assuming bent is a finder, as well as assuming morgy isn't a symp.

I mean... what if his masters are DIBS and Bent and they didn't know Morgy was their symp?

If you guys want to throw possibilities out there, put them all out there.

well my problem with that is day 1 i was trying tp push bents lynch quite hard, while toward the end bent was pushing morgos lynch so i while i could be on morgos team, i couldnt be on bents and he couldnt be on morgos. regardless of which way we look at it bent guilty or inno clears morgo. so if we are going to lynch it needs to be someone else.

At this point i am almost desperate enough to look at who wasnt on at the time of the reveal as its less likely that any killers or the evil guard was on (assuming bent is telling the truth).

Unless bent is your symp or morgy is bents symp.

It could be

Bent + Shin? Bwgan? with Morgy as Symp?

Or DIBS + Morgy, with Bent only knowing DIBS as master?

With 11 people, I'm not sure we can count on Killer+Killer+Symp as the role distribution.

I also think Tapper was rolled, and he could have very well been the Guard who Guarded Bent, assuming that wasn't a lie.

It could also be Bwgan + Shin with SM or D'rek as symp - I still think its very odd that SM said after I left for sleep during day one that he wanted to continue the pissing match with me when I got back, and he attempted to force it. His play has been very bad all game long if he is an inno.

It could be DIBS + SM with Morgy as a symp. Right now with the lack of participation from a lot of people, I can't tell who is what.

well i know its not me, and i dont see how bent and morgy could be teamed. if bent is the killer i can pretty much guess we are fucked as we cant get a lynch on him today as we just couldnt get the votes. if there was anyone else on i would suggest lynching you obdi now i know you cant be paired with bent. you have hogged the limelight and refused tovote bent day 1. if you are not a symp i would be very very surprised.

Bent and Morgy could only be teamed if Morgy is the symp.

I have not hogged the limelight, the rest of you fuckers have posted 10 times a day. Except for SM who likes to spam spam spam spam. What happens when I'm not on? All you guys do is talk about me, and then don't do anything.

It isn't my fault you guys won't talk about each other or go through stuff like this.

You keep saying this, but I am pretty sure I have done a pretty fucking good job at contributing, its the 3rd fucking ime you have said that shit, all you have done is bitch at slick and whinee that everyone is picking on you. Until recently All anyone knew was you want slick lynched and you hate everyone else.

[drinksinbars]

vote slick

fuck it, everyone has pretty strong suspicions about him, and i dont want to have another non lynch day.

[Obdigore]

Bent, on Aug 6 2009, 12:11 PM, said:

Obdigore, on Aug 6 2009, 01:08 PM, said:

drinksinbars, on Aug 6 2009, 11:59 AM, said:

Obdigore, on Aug 6 2009, 05:55 PM, said:

drinksinbars, on Aug 6 2009, 11:48 AM, said:

Obdigore, on Aug 6 2009, 05:45 PM, said:

drinksinbars, on Aug 6 2009, 11:43 AM, said:

bwgan, on Aug 6 2009, 05:38 PM, said:

@ DiBs - Well my opinion on Morgy is that the post I quoted is rubbish...and if that one is rubbish how many more are? So what reason would he have to lie? Ummmm,...

@ Bent - You are my favourite too you know that...believing you are probably scum (in the nicest possible way) has nothing to do with it.

thats the thing, usually he has a case or two every game and he usually doesnt last this long, if bent hadnt of cleared him i would have been very suspicious.

That is assuming bent is a finder, as well as assuming morgy isn't a symp.

I mean... what if his masters are DIBS and Bent and they didn't know Morgy was their symp?

If you guys want to throw possibilities out there, put them all out there.

well my problem with that is day 1 i was trying tp push bents lynch quite hard, while toward the end bent was pushing morgos lynch so i while i could be on morgos team, i couldnt be on bents and he couldnt be on morgos. regardless of which way we look at it bent guilty or inno clears morgo. so if we are going to lynch it needs to be someone else.

At this point i am almost desperate enough to look at who wasnt on at the time of the reveal as its less likely that any killers or the evil guard was on (assuming bent is telling the truth).

Unless bent is your symp or morgy is bents symp.

It could be

Bent + Shin? Bwgan? with Morgy as Symp?

Or DIBS + Morgy, with Bent only knowing DIBS as master?

With 11 people, I'm not sure we can count on Killer+Killer+Symp as the role distribution.

I also think Tapper was rolled, and he could have very well been the Guard who Guarded Bent, assuming that wasn't a lie.

It could also be Bwgan + Shin with SM or D'rek as symp - I still think its very odd that SM said after I left for sleep during day one that he wanted to continue the pissing match with me when I got back, and he attempted to force it. His play has been very bad all game long if he is an inno.

It could be DIBS + SM with Morgy as a symp. Right now with the lack of participation from a lot of people, I can't tell who is what.

well i know its not me, and i dont see how bent and morgy could be teamed. if bent is the killer i can pretty much guess we are fucked as we cant get a lynch on him today as we just couldnt get the votes. if there was anyone else on i would suggest lynching you obdi now i know you cant be paired with bent. you have hogged the limelight and refused tovote bent day 1. if you are not a symp i would be very very surprised.

Bent and Morgy could only be teamed if Morgy is the symp.

I have not hogged the limelight, the rest of you fuckers have posted 10 times a day. Except for SM who likes to spam spam spam spam. What happens when I'm not on? All you guys do is talk about me, and then don't do anything.

It isn't my fault you guys won't talk about each other or go through stuff like this.

You keep saying this, but I am pretty sure I have done a pretty fucking good job at contributing, its the 3rd fucking ime you have said that shit, all you have done is bitch at slick and whinee that everyone is picking on you. Until recently All anyone knew was you want slick lynched and you hate everyone else.

No, all you people have done is whined that I must be scum because I get people talking and force them to post.

Then when I'm not on people don't say/do shit, and then I come back on and 'steal the limelight' again because noone is doing anything.

[Obdigore]

I would like to hear what Bwgan has to say about Slick.

[drinksinbars]

i am gonna make dinner, back on in a bit, should be before well before deadline.

[Bent]

Obdigore, on Aug 6 2009, 01:12 PM, said:

1 -No, all you people have done is whined that I must be scum because I get people talking and force them to post.

2 -Then when I'm not on people don't say/do shit, and then I come back on and 'steal the limelight' again because noone is doing anything.

See

1 - whine
2 - bitch

stop it, I don't give a fuck if all you do is sit there and scream for your mommy, make your point and get out of the way. But the whining, and crying and bitching and moaning DOESN'T HELP ANYTHING! Get it? All you do is hurt your self by telling everyone around you that they are wastes of space and you are so much more fucking talented than them. Its fucking pointless and childish. Grow a set, take some fucking constructive critisism and grow the fuck up.

[bwgan]

At least there is a case on Slick, the thing about the guard revealing etc...rather than just he doesn't play that way, stuff. I HAVE to go out now, I will be back, but probably not before day times out.

Vote Slick

At least if I leave my vote on you can decide to lynch or not...and yes I know how that sounds, but just being honest.


Edit: Cross posts

This post has been edited by bwgan: 06 August 2009 - 05:18 PM

[Obdigore]

Bent, on Aug 6 2009, 12:17 PM, said:

Obdigore, on Aug 6 2009, 01:12 PM, said:

1 -No, all you people have done is whined that I must be scum because I get people talking and force them to post.

2 -Then when I'm not on people don't say/do shit, and then I come back on and 'steal the limelight' again because noone is doing anything.

See

1 - whine
2 - bitch

stop it, I don't give a fuck if all you do is sit there and scream for your mommy, make your point and get out of the way. But the whining, and crying and bitching and moaning DOESN'T HELP ANYTHING! Get it? All you do is hurt your self by telling everyone around you that they are wastes of space and you are so much more fucking talented than them. Its fucking pointless and childish. Grow a set, take some fucking constructive critisism and grow the fuck up.

Who is whining and bitching right there Bent?

'ohhh waaa your stealing the limelight! Waaaaa! All you do is waaaaa! Waaaa!'

Now are you going to comment on anything besides your whining? Or is this going to descend into some kind of retarded pissing match that ends by you trying to swing the vote on me?

[Obdigore]

There we go, Bwgan voted SM.

Now - Morgy, are you willing to change your vote?

[Obdigore]

PS - Bent - Do NOT vote for SM until/if Morgy is willing to.