[Obdigore]

KalamMekhar, on 12 November 2009 - 04:22 AM, said:

if the trade is accepted and its not an unfair trade, and the league isnt against it, then both parties should have to stick with the trade, one of you proposed it, one of you accepted it so you were both happy with the trade.

Here is yours KM, TB's is the one right above it.

You both say the trade was accepted, so you were both happy with it. Eddie was doing the best trade he could, then you decided you would give him more for the player so vetoed the trade so you could do your trade. It is your job to try to get the best trades for players you are willing to give up, not wait for someone to trade, then veto that trade because you have decided you want the player and will go over the other person's trade.

You should congratulate Daser on upgrading his QB situation and congratulate Eddie for dropping some trade-bait and upgrading his RB situation.

This whole thing is rather hypocritical.

[Slum]

Meh, I would have voted to veto the trade too if it wasn't already vetoed by the time I noticed it. So that's at least 5 people who thought the trade was lopsided. There's a reason they give you the option to object to a trade, after all.

Honestly this has all been blown out of proportion, in my opinion. The trade was conspicuous, it got vetoed; move on.

[KalamMekhar]

please read what i said in teh above quote, it appears you havent..... i never said that trade between them, as in the one between venge and sixty, was unfair, he was asking people to veto it because he wasnt happy with it, not becuase other people in the league thought it was unfair.

[Obdigore]

teholbeddict, on 19 November 2009 - 10:26 PM, said:

Excuse me Obdi but that was not the same situation. Sixty wanted to block a trade he made because he had changed him mind, not because it was an unfair trade. The point of KM voting on the Daser trade is that it ws lopsided. Please do not accuse people of something if you don't have all the facts

Eddie wanted to back out of the trade too, after you and KM said you would give him more for his player being traded.

Your post, TB, right above the one I quoted for KM, is the most damning of all. You said that since the offering player went through, selected the players from both teams, they should be stuck with it.

I appreciate you attempting to stick to the spirit of 'fair play', but convincing someone they have made a bad trade and then vetoing it for them moves a little bit from that, dosen't it?

I still want to know why you all vetoed that trade?

Team A was trading:
A QB who they do not start, because they have better.
to
Team B:
A RB they do not start, because they have better.

Both teams are trading players they do not start for players they will. THAT IS THE BEST KIND OF TRADE IN THE LEAGUE.

Bah. BAH I SAY.

[KalamMekhar]

because it was a lopsided trade for the last time.

[Obdigore]

KalamMekhar, on 19 November 2009 - 10:44 PM, said:

because it was a lopsided trade for the last time.

How can trading a player you do not start for one you will be a lopsided trade?

You think it is lopsided because the players do not produce the same amount of points. However, if Eddie isn't starting the guy he trades, and the guy he gets he will be starting, seems like a perfectly fine trade to me.

[KalamMekhar]

thats fine if you see that way, i dont so i voted against it.

[teholbeddict]

You know what I am done with this, please do not accuse me of being a hypocrite because I'm not. Don't tell me I am falsely claiming to try to stick to fair play because that is not the case. I try to be nice, fair and civil to everyone and clearly that has backfired.

I have no idea why I am being made into the bad guy here when I am getting nothing from this trade, I was not the first person to mention it and I have stuck to what I was saying all along. Daser has taken this to a personal level when I have said several times that it was purely about theplayers involved. I apologized to daser about ten times now. I don't even know why I am the one apologizing when he didn't deserve one in the first place and he has now personally attacked me several times on several fronts. I am not the only one who voted against this trade, so clearly I am not the only one who had the same thought. Please guys trade whoever you want from now on, I really don't care, it's not worth this amount of grief.

Obviously Daser you wanted to use Favre against me this weekend and you think that ws my motivation behind the veto. That is what this is really all about. As you don't believe me and I will not tolerate being called a hypocrite you can have your win. I will pull PM, Rice and Gore, those are my top three players. End of story, I am not fighting over this anymore and I am not going to be wrongly accused of something. Enjoy your win!

This post has been edited by teholbeddict: 20 November 2009 - 04:23 AM

[caladanbrood]

What Obdi is trying to explain is how it in fact helped both parties. Favre has been on the trading block for most of the season, so eventually someone was going to come up with a way of getting hold of him, Brees is one of very few QBs who can keep him out of a starting lineup. So it wouldn't matter to the Gunslingers whether it was Favre sitting on his bench or JaMarcus Russell, they would have identical values - zero. Meaning that it's impossible to judge how lopsided it is, because what should really looked at would be how much each team is improving by the trade - and that is actually much closer.

But I don't agree with the veto system anyway, so I dunno why I'm discussing it. I got McCoy out of this debacle, so yay!

[Obdigore]

teholbeddict, on 19 November 2009 - 10:50 PM, said:

You know what I am done with this, please do not accuse me of being a hyprocrite because I'm not. Don't tell me I am falsely claiming to try to stick to fair play because that is not the case. I try to be nice, fair and cicil to everyone and clearly that has backfire. I

have no idea why I am being made into the bad guy here when I am gettign nothing from this trade, I was not the first person to mention it and I have stuck to what I was saying all along. Daser has taken this to a personal level when I have said several times that it was purely about theplayers involved. I apologized to daser about ten times now. I don't even know why I am the one apologizing when he didn't deserve one in the first place and he has now personally attacked me several times on several fronts. I am not the only one who voted against this trade, so clearly I am not the only one who had the same thought. Please guys trade whoever you want from now on, I really don't care, it's not worth this amount of grief.

Obviously Daser you wanted to use Favre against me this weekend and you think that ws my motivation behind the veto. That is what this is really all about. As you don't believe me and I will not tolerate being called a hypocrite you can have your win. I will pull PM, Rice and Gore, those are my top three players. End of story, I am not fighting over this anymore and I am not going to be wrongly accused of something. Enjoy your win!

Oh don't get so angry that you take your ball and go home.

I'm just curious why you (and not just you, but apparently 4 others) think that trading a player you will not start for one you will is unfair. All I ask is that you answer that question.

I will apologize for calling you a hypocrite, and I probably shouldn't have, because it really does seem you aren't that kind of person and you are just trying to do the best for everyone, but from someone who isn't in the league, your and KM's change from what you were saying in the posts I brought up to this veto'ing is odd.

[Eddie Dean]

I don't know why everyone is arguing, this all Brood's fault anyway.

[Daser]

Obdigore you are not gonna win this. They just dont see it like we do. It doesnt matter that both teams get better. It doesnt matter that the result of player 1 and player 2 making a trade, was that KM which we can call player 3 ended up with the player from the trade. They can do no wrong they are the trade police.

But dont worry Obdigore, i have swung another trade where they will be really hard pressed to Veto it. I am paying alittle to much, but hey i am getting a stud.

Ohh and yeah this is my counteroffer on Brood. Since they have already said that i cant get value for McCoy by vetoing the last trade, i did this instead.

A. Boldin and L. McCoy. versus Larry Fitzgerald.

[caladanbrood]

Eddie Dean, on 19 November 2009 - 11:01 PM, said:

I don't know why everyone is arguing, this all Brood's fault anyway.

The man makes an excellent point. I apologise profusely for causing this entire mess by not managing to get hold of Favre myself weeks ago.

[Daser]

TB said.

Obviously Daser you wanted to use Favre against me this weekend and you think that ws my motivation behind the veto. That is what this is really all about. As you don't believe me and I will not tolerate being called a hypocrite you can have your win. I will pull PM, Rice and Gore, those are my top three players. End of story, I am not fighting over this anymore and I am not going to be wrongly accused of something. Enjoy your win!


1. Ofcourse i would have played Favre this week. Atleast until Flacco come out of his slump. If my trade with Brood gets done in time i will also play Fitzgerald. I dont trade for players unless they are worth playing.

2. I have never said anything that has to do with our game this week. I am looking forward to a good match, so you just play everything you got. Serious bragging right are at stake.

3. Ofcourse we should blame Brood.

[KalamMekhar]

obdi obdi obdi, your clearly not reading my past posts, i havent changed from what i said before. if you cant see that then sorry.

and me and Tb have answered as to why several times that we thought the trade was unfair and lopsided.

This post has been edited by KalamMekhar: 20 November 2009 - 01:03 AM

[caladanbrood]

^&£^&£^&$^&£%&^$%^£%^£$%&£&%$^ MIAMI starting early 

[Obdigore]

KalamMekhar, on 20 November 2009 - 01:03 AM, said:

obdi obdi obdi, your clearly not reading my past posts, i havent changed from what i said before. if you cant see that then sorry.

and me and Tb have answered as to why several times that we thought the trade was unfair and lopsided.

KM KM KM KM, I have said several times why you are wrong.

Anyway, I blame Brood! Also, I blame Jay Cutler. THROW 5 MORE PICS THIS WEEK PLEASE, I HAVE EAGLES D!

[KalamMekhar]

Obdi go read page 53 about another qb for rb trade, palmer for sproles, which daser wasnt happy about, and then tell me what you think of daser flippin his tune now that it was about a trade of his. he was against the trade saying TB was getting a steal for sproles, which she wasnt, but didnt care that it benefited both teams and they got what they wanted. but yet when comeone calls out his trade, saying who cares because it benefits both teams in the trade, we are going to get called hypocrits? gimme a break.

[Daser]

Daser, on 25 September 2009 - 04:20 PM, said:

I think every time a trade is made, everyone will have an oppinion about who got the best trade. We each sit and make Pro/Con list for the 2 involved and decide, damn XXXX won that trade.

This isnt a complaint about the trade, but just my thoughts with the info i have.

1. Congrats TB, you mad a huge trade there. C. Palmer would play 1 game this season for you, since you have P.Manning, and now you have a player who is must starter as long as LT is injured and still has starter value some weeks after LT returns. Huge upside for your team.

2. Sorry Slum i cant see the upside for you since you have T. Romo, now you are basicly where TB was last week. You are sitting with a very qualified backup that will play the week T. Romo has a Bye week. What is worse is that now you basicly have to trade or drop a QB to the waiver wire, to gain some starter/reserves for the other spots since bye weeks are beginning next week.


HD´s offer for sproles was hard to judge because of injury concerns, so no oppinion about that.


So i have no objections to this trade even tho i see TB as clear winner and Slum only get value if he makes another trade with 1 of his QB`s.

Daser, on 25 September 2009 - 05:37 PM, said:

TB i think you are arguing this because you know you made a steal!

The question isnt(For me) about how valid HD´s trade offer was, it is how your trade benefit Slum.

so just answer this, who do you think will make most points on Slums team. The before T. Romo and D. Sproles..... or the after T. Romo and C. Palmer.

You see my point?? he traded a starter for a backup.

Besides it isnt like Slum dont have small injury concerns himself. AP has alittle back problem.... Cadillac hasnt practised this week yet.


So again Grats on huge trade TB. Stop arguing Slums point. I am looking forward to hearing Slum`s own opponion.

Daser, on 25 September 2009 - 06:12 PM, said:

I dont know how much you haggled, but if i was Slum after deciding not to do the Cadillac/Driver for Palmer, i would have done either of these things.

1. Sproles and Pennington v Palmer and Ginn Jr.

2. Sproles and Boss v Palmer and Celek.

3. Or Sproles and pennington v Palmer and W. Parker.

I think you would have accepted 1 of them and all of them leaves Slum with more options and a better suited bench for emergencies.

I accept that Slum was worried about his QB situation, but that dont meen i like what he got for Sproles.

I would also have counterd Hoosier with Sproles for Jennings considering how strong Hoosier is at WR. Maybe he would bite.

Daser, on 25 September 2009 - 06:39 PM, said:

Slow Ben, on 25 September 2009 - 06:25 PM, said:

The trades not bad enough to veto so i'm not really worried about it.

I dont know how Slum can be worried about his qb's since Romo has the 6th most points.

If you really dont like Romo slum i'll trade you for him.

Anyway, lets move along, this is not the trade your looking for.

I agree with this.

I am also open for QB trades Slum.


Btw Brood i am Sorry i suggested to start L. Moore last week( Bastard got hurt in 2nd quarter.) remember to monitor if he is healthy this week.

Daser, on 25 September 2009 - 08:27 PM, said:

Slum, on 25 September 2009 - 07:09 PM, said:

Meh, I have no problem if Tb got the better end of the deal - it seemed fair enough to me. I don't think about this stuff as much some of you obviously do (Daser ). I like Romo to start most of the time but he is shit in big games and Pennington is not going to get many points in that offense - didn't I already say this?

I probably could have haggled with Tehol and wrangled a Ginn or Parker or Cribbs off her too, but I have enough RBs and WRs already, I think.

Also, this is my first time ever playing fantasy football and I'm not a real haggler and wheeler-dealer - I just wanted a decent backup and with Palmer I have that. Plus, as Tb said, I can start Palmer when it looks like Romo might have a tough game or when Palmer is facing a bad D.

And, when I made the trade on Tuesday, LT was expected be ready to go, I thought. At any rate, don't worry about my trades. I got what I was looking for and if it wasn't the greatest deal...oops, my bad.


Carry on.

This is my first fantasy season too Slum, so you have 1 trade more than i ever had.

I also should say i absolutely hate to lose, so i am probarly taking this more seriously than most.

I would also say that i would have killed to have your team instead of mine this week, and there was like 0.002% chance that you could lose to Da beers since he has important injuries, now after this trade he accually has a chance. (not big but a chance) That would be unacceptble to me.

Envy is a bad thing so maybe i am being harder on your trade than neccesary, since i would have loved to be in your shoes. I have wet dreams about having my starters and 2 from my bench produce like you players did. My team is lame and so injury riddled, that i have nothing i can trade away to get better. So i am stuck praying for improvements and spending way to much time looking for a golden opportunity.( I also have woodoo dolls of all your important players, just look at how Brady did last week)

So good luck Slum and i hope Brood forgives you for making his match this week much harder.

PS. Slum remember to chance your lineup, since it is missing a player now.

I thought i would make it easier for everyone to see what i said back on that trade. So here are my posts from page 53.
I didnt Veto that trade, just in case anyone had any doubts about that. I also think i clearly states the reason why i think it was a bad trade for Slum. Again i didnt Veto it!

[HoosierDaddy]

Seriously? This was sad to read. I vetoed Daser, just like I said I would whenever someone asked me, ONCE, to do so. You seemed to agree with that then.

This drama is just fucking stupid and worthless. There is no value here other than entertainment, so to bitch at each other accomplishes nothing more than to alienate others. Keep shit in the league and off of here, and remember: It's all for fun.