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Posted 09 December 2010 - 07:42 PM

Are any of the spoilers in recent posts from SW? I looked at one and saw an SW reference and saved myself from certain spoilerish doom. Anyway, if they are, can you please indicate that before the spoiler tag? Thanks.
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Posted 09 December 2010 - 07:44 PM

View Postansible, on 09 December 2010 - 07:42 PM, said:

Are any of the spoilers in recent posts from SW? I looked at one and saw an SW reference and saved myself from certain spoilerish doom. Anyway, if they are, can you please indicate that before the spoiler tag? Thanks.


Yes, u are right, sorry for that.

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Posted 09 December 2010 - 08:07 PM

View PostBenowar, on 09 December 2010 - 07:44 PM, said:

View Postansible, on 09 December 2010 - 07:42 PM, said:

Are any of the spoilers in recent posts from SW? I looked at one and saw an SW reference and saved myself from certain spoilerish doom. Anyway, if they are, can you please indicate that before the spoiler tag? Thanks.


Yes, u are right, sorry for that.


No problem, thanks dude.
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Posted 10 December 2010 - 03:19 AM

View PostD, on 09 December 2010 - 05:48 PM, said:

View PostMTS, on 09 December 2010 - 03:14 PM, said:

The 4th is the Quon Tali garrison, under High Fist Anand.

As for the 6th
Spoiler



Well no,
Spoiler


Well, I haven't read SW so I didn't know that, so...nyeh. :admin:
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Posted 11 December 2010 - 03:42 PM

I believe Greymane also almost conquered Theft according to Blood Follows, so maybe the 8th and 13th were active there, hm ?

Spoiler


Spoiler

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Posted 11 December 2010 - 03:52 PM

View PostImperial High Mage Tayschrenn, on 11 December 2010 - 03:42 PM, said:

Spoiler



Spoiler

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I kinda love it when D'rek unleashes her nerd wrath, as I knew she would here. Sorry innocent bystanders, but someone's gotta be the kindling.
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Posted 12 December 2010 - 01:35 AM

How bout ya'll move this to the Stonewielder thread? I can't even read it due to SW spoilers on nearly every posting.

Seriously, move this shit! :)

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 08:02 AM

Does anyone know how to move a topic

because I would if I could
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Posted 12 December 2010 - 08:57 AM

Press the report button and specify where you would like the thread moved.

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 02:31 PM

Ah, I see the modgods gave me my modest request.
Thanks for that

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 01:47 AM

hmmmm

now that the evil spoiler-blocking bug has been blocked, I want to comment, no matter how wrong I might be.

Greymane mentions that "2 invasions" of Korel have failed to break through the Marese blockade. leading me to believe that:

Greymane was originally sent to take Korel with the sixth and the 8th. He made it through the Marese blockade, losing a large complement of his forces to the Marese, possibly up to the majority of the 8th. forcing it to limp back to Malazan to be re-formed, or disbanded and assigned separate garrison duties.

the bulk of the 6th, with some survivors of the 8th, proceeded to conquer Rool. then the Stonewielder thing happened, Greymane was declared a traitor and went Renegade. And soon after, the 6th went renegade.

The parts of the 6th that didn't make it past the Marese turned back and were sent to Genabackis, to appear in GotM.

The 13th may refer to another batch of vetrans, of a different attempt to penetrate the Marese blockade, which also failed. IN SW, it seemed pretty obvious that Mallick Rel dug up every single Korel veteran he could find to throw on this campaign. it's possible the 13th and the 8th were de-comissioned, and then re-formed, with all veterans recalled to active duty.
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Posted 04 January 2011 - 10:06 PM

View PostMentalist, on 03 January 2011 - 01:47 AM, said:

hmmmm

now that the evil spoiler-blocking bug has been blocked, I want to comment, no matter how wrong I might be.

Greymane mentions that "2 invasions" of Korel have failed to break through the Marese blockade. leading me to believe that:

Greymane was originally sent to take Korel with the sixth and the 8th. He made it through the Marese blockade, losing a large complement of his forces to the Marese, possibly up to the majority of the 8th. forcing it to limp back to Malazan to be re-formed, or disbanded and assigned separate garrison duties.

the bulk of the 6th, with some survivors of the 8th, proceeded to conquer Rool. then the Stonewielder thing happened, Greymane was declared a traitor and went Renegade. And soon after, the 6th went renegade.

The parts of the 6th that didn't make it past the Marese turned back and were sent to Genabackis, to appear in GotM.

The 13th may refer to another batch of vetrans, of a different attempt to penetrate the Marese blockade, which also failed. IN SW, it seemed pretty obvious that Mallick Rel dug up every single Korel veteran he could find to throw on this campaign. it's possible the 13th and the 8th were de-comissioned, and then re-formed, with all veterans recalled to active duty.


Seems plausible. I need to re-read Blood Follows but there may also have been some talk of Malazan forces in or attacking parts of Theft, too (though BF does not necessarily fit with SW's depiction of Korel in many other ways, so considering it may not be the best idea).

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I kinda love it when D'rek unleashes her nerd wrath, as I knew she would here. Sorry innocent bystanders, but someone's gotta be the kindling.
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Posted 08 February 2011 - 10:30 PM

Or maybe Ecclemont made a mistake when writing the book and should never have made the army in Fist the 6th....just a thought.
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Posted 08 February 2011 - 11:39 PM

Well, it certainly seems like the armies are named in the order they're created. So for example the 13th I don't think would've been part of the original Korel force, but rather a new army created to reinforce the original invasion (and it failed to do so). The lower-numbered armies are presumably all created during the first few of the Empire's campaigns, the first of which we know are most of Quon Tali, Falar, Seven Cities and Stratem, with the Seven Cities rebellion(s), Korel and Genebackis coming later.

Also, the way the 4th is shown as the Quon Tali garrison force in RotCG, but then it is a contingent of the 2nd Korel invasion in SW makes me think that it's main purpose is (at least at the time of RotCG and a bit earlier) as the Quon Tali garrison force, and the part in SW is just a contingent of it. And since the SW army is assembled partially in Falar (where Fist Shemul who comands the 8th meets up with Greymane), but the parts we know are of the 4th (Suth's company's squads, Rillish) board ship in Quon Tali and join the rest at sea, I think the 8th might be the Falar garrison force, and similar to the 4th a contingent of it was part of the SW army.




Anyways, this is my speculated army roles based on all that:

1st -
Conquest of Quon Tali - commanded by Dassem
other early campaigns

2nd -
Conquest of Quon Tali -
other early campaigns
Genebackan campaign - commanded by Dujek,
Whirlwind Rebellion - under Dujek, then Ganoes Paran

3rd -
early campaigns
Conquest of Seven Cities?
Seven Cities Rebellion - commanded by Whiskeyjack

4th -
Quon Tali garrison force - commanded by Anand during the civil war
A contingent of it sent as part of the 2nd invasion of Korel, under Fist Rillish

5th -
early campaigns?
Sent to Genabackis

6th -
First invasion force of Korel
Reformed in Quon Tali and sent to Genebackis

7th -
Whirlwind Rebellion - under Fist Coltaine

8th -
Falar garrison force
part of it sent as reinforcements to Korel?
A contingent of it sent as part of the 2nd invasion of Korel, under Fist Rillish

9th - main purpose unknown
In GotM part of it going to land on Genabackis

10th - Unknown

11th - main purpose unknown
In GotM part of it going to land on Genabackis

12th - Unknown

13th - Reinforcement force sent to Korel to reinforce the 4th/6th

14th - Whirlwind Rebellion revenge force - Adjunct Tavore Paran

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I kinda love it when D'rek unleashes her nerd wrath, as I knew she would here. Sorry innocent bystanders, but someone's gotta be the kindling.
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Posted 24 December 2011 - 12:47 AM

the tenth was stationed in Aren and was destroyed when Pormqual ordered them to surrender and they got crucified
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Posted 24 December 2011 - 07:50 AM

View PostSilencer, on 19 July 2009 - 07:41 PM, said:

QUOTE (Imperial High Mage Tayschrenn @ Jul 20 2009, 07:17 AM) Ah found it, took a while

QUOTE The 5th Army remains to police the new Malazan dominions on the continent


Erm, a bit more context would be nice! I can type quote tags too, y'know. XD

And the merger of the three armies, standing as the fifth, would make it seem to me that they are the lowest number on the list. Otherwise they would have remained the second. Or that could just be some whim of Laseen's (or whoever was organising the thing).


Could it possibly be due to something like the 5th having suffered the least casualties of the three armies, and the 2nd being the most depleted?


Also, on the involvement of the 13th Army and when it was formed... we have no idea how much of a gap between the formation of new armies there may have been. The Empire could have organized the 13th army years before and not needed to form a new army, or rather, might not have taken that step, until after the 7th's destruction during the Whirlwind Rebellion.

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Posted 24 December 2011 - 09:26 AM

View PostAzathmaster, on 24 December 2011 - 12:47 AM, said:

the tenth was stationed in Aren and was destroyed when Pormqual ordered them to surrender and they got crucified





That was the tenth? Where was that mentioned?
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Posted 24 December 2011 - 03:39 PM

Im not sure exactly but I remember multiple references in the book and i reread it only a month or two ago.
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Posted 04 January 2012 - 03:14 PM

We know that each Malazan army has 3 legions (no problem with a fourth one too) and each legion numbers approximately 4000 men.
So the mysterious 6th army (Hood's breath, it troubled me) could have been sent to Korel and after its victories, 1-2 legions were sent to Genabackis as reinforcements to the 2nd. Thus, the main 6th stayed behind and turned renegade. In Stonewielder, Ussu mentions that the core of the ''Roolian'' army meant to crush Greymane has as an elite core ''six thousand veterans of the Sixth''. This is 1 legion, or maybe 2 if we are to take into account casualties caused of resistance bands, deaths from old age, desertions etc.

About the 10th army being in Aren. I remember that those soldiers are refered to as ''Aren legion''. So, not an army. If I recall correctly, the forces in Aren numbered ten thousand men. That's 1 big legion or 2 normal ones. Maybe then they were part of the 10th army.

Just speculations, nothing more.
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