[Anomandaris]

Karosis, on Jul 17 2009, 12:38 PM, said:

back briefly before bed.

"you know, the "last man standing thing", untill it is properly explained, doesn't really in any way preclude the fact that scum may know each other.
my vote on Karat is based off that assumption.

I am yet to be convinced that I am wrong, and we are, in fact dealing with X number of independent killers who know no one but theemselves.
in which casem i've got some serious questions about the balance of the game.

You may be absolutely correct, but your stubborn refusal to see that you could (and imho are very likely) to be wrong make your pronouncements disturbing. In each game of mafia it is surely important that we look for every possible way to out scum. You seem extremely tunnel visioned on the standard approach, and I don't happen to think that we can rely on it.

And in what way do you think it likely that the "last man standing" is ever going to be 'properly' explained in game?
I am also a little surprised that this is the sum of your position/argument. Don't you think you should at least willing to consider other ways the game might be structured?

[Karatallid]

Karosis, on Jul 17 2009, 11:38 AM, said:

back briefly before bed.

"you know, the "last man standing thing", untill it is properly explained, doesn't really in any way preclude the fact that scum may know each other.
my vote on Karat is based off that assumption.

I am yet to be convinced that I am wrong, and we are, in fact dealing with X number of independent killers who know no one but theemselves.
in which casem i've got some serious questions about the balance of the game.

I would think that since there was 2 scum killed lastnight, it would mean that they definitely DONT know each other.
Its pretty obvious...

I call bullshit

[Path-Shaper]

Since Last man standing seems to cause some difficulty where I intend to be none whatsoever on that subject:

Last man standing means:

being the last player alive in the game.

Everyone else, by extension, loses.

Tapper, still standing.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 17 July 2009 - 12:45 PM

[Karatallid]

Path-Shaper, on Jul 17 2009, 12:44 PM, said:

Since Last man standing seems to cause some difficulty where I intend to be none whatsoever on that subject:

Last man standing means:

being the last player alive in the game.

Everyone else, by extension, loses.

Tapper, still standing.

pretty much exactly what the majority of us have have been thinking...

[Karatallid]

That also confirms without a doubt...that fener was correct that there definitely is no symps.
I thought that we should at least consider some kind of condition that would allow for it but meh....cant be right all the time heh?

[Path-Shaper]

Bent, standing behind Tapper, ready to make my move....

~Sorry, I'll try to stop spamming the thread....maybe.

[Eloth]

Gamelon, on Jul 17 2009, 12:06 AM, said:

I read through Kesso, and I think the problem people have with him is the fact that he hopped on Eloth for making a random case. Fairly understandable, in my opinion, because Kesso's case had just a tiny bit more content than Eloth's whose case was shit. However, shortly into this discussion, Eloth comes back talking about how Kesso is dumb or something, I'm not sure. But look at the quote:

Eloth, on Jul 16 2009, 01:39 PM, said:

no symps doesnt mean no partners/temp alliances

Now, a question I'd like answered, from our enigmatic alt, is what in the hell does this mean? Do you think scum can communicate? Because that's what it sounds like.

Edit: grammar and spelling.

an interesting twist would be something like that, yeah. it's just a thought, i have no proof, but i wouldn't be all that surprised. it might even explain how two scum died last night, something i find too good to be true... i mean what are the chances they hit them at random.
must goi back to reading over

[Karatallid]

How would that explain how 2 scum died lastnight?

[Eloth]

if they know each other or are able to send each other messages through SH or something, it might explain it

[Ampelas]

Well for me, I am thinking we started with 4 scum each with an individual kill. Or if we are really lucky, 3 scum and we had a Vig on Emurlahn.

Only way we are going to find out is by seeing how many kills there are this night. But all this speculation is a little pointless, as we have no clue it could be anything. I can imagine a large number of other setups each increasingly unlikely but still vaguely possible.

[Karatallid]

Eloth, on Jul 17 2009, 01:22 PM, said:

if they know each other or are able to send each other messages through SH or something, it might explain it

SO let me get this straight?

You are saying that PS gave two killers each others names and said they can talk off thread....and then they killed each other?

[Eloth]

Karatallid, on Jul 17 2009, 06:26 AM, said:

Eloth, on Jul 17 2009, 01:22 PM, said:

if they know each other or are able to send each other messages through SH or something, it might explain it

SO let me get this straight?

You are saying that PS gave two killers each others names and said they can talk off thread....and then they killed each other?

no, stop thinking in low tmdi terms.
think of it like this
perhaps each scum can communicate with another, through p-s, a little like barsavi could communicate with all players every morning in the lamora game.

[Karatallid]

Eloth, on Jul 17 2009, 01:30 PM, said:

Karatallid, on Jul 17 2009, 06:26 AM, said:

Eloth, on Jul 17 2009, 01:22 PM, said:

if they know each other or are able to send each other messages through SH or something, it might explain it

SO let me get this straight?

You are saying that PS gave two killers each others names and said they can talk off thread....and then they killed each other?

no, stop thinking in low tmdi terms.
think of it like this
perhaps each scum can communicate with another, through p-s, a little like barsavi could communicate with all players every morning in the lamora game.

ok treat me like im a 5 year old and explain.

How does 2 killers being able to talk off thread, make it more likley that 2 scum died?

[Ampelas]

Hmm see Eloth this is why I am suspicious of you from earlier, cos that just sound , that sounds incredibly unlikely and silly, why would they bother with anything like that? Are you playing a noob card on us Eloth?

[Eloth]

why not backstab your conversational partner?
or, if you don't know who he is, why not target someone due to the time they were online?
i think it's a big mistake thinking this is just a normal game where there are four scum who can kill independently and don't know each others identity; that wouldn't make this a high tmdi, not even close

[Karatallid]

I think eloth operates on another level of consciousness

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 16 hours and 38 minutes remaining

14 Players still alive: Alkend, Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, Eloth, Fener, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Karatallid, Karosis, Kessobahn, Korbas, Silanah

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night

1 vote for Karatallid: ( Karosis )
1 vote for Kessobahn: ( Silanah )
1 vote for Karosis: ( Anomandaris )
2 votes for Fener: ( Fener, Atrahal )
1 vote for Korbas: ( Eloth )

Players not voted: Alkend, Ampelas, Anthras, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Karatallid, Kessobahn, Korbas

No idea what Tapper is gonna do about weekend, but heres this anyway

~Bent, helping since 1337

[Eloth]

Ampelas, on Jul 17 2009, 06:35 AM, said:

Hmm see Eloth this is why I am suspicious of you from earlier, cos that just sound , that sounds incredibly unlikely and silly, why would they bother with anything like that? Are you playing a noob card on us Eloth?

all im basing it on is the fact that two killers died last night.
one didn't even seem to have any logic to his death.
with four kills, we can assume either four killers, or more, and some were guarded/didn't use their powers.
the chances of hitting not one, but TWO scum on the first night without some kind of help are fucking miniature; we NEVER hit scum Day/Night one, face it.
so, why did it happen now? admit it, its a little fucking miraculous.

[Karatallid]

Eloth, on Jul 17 2009, 01:36 PM, said:

why not backstab your conversational partner?
or, if you don't know who he is, why not target someone due to the time they were online?
i think it's a big mistake thinking this is just a normal game where there are four scum who can kill independently and don't know each others identity; that wouldn't make this a high tmdi, not even close

but....but.....but...

i dont even....


The killers winning conditions stops this from happening....since what the hell would the point be of setting up a game that has a last man standing clause for the killers their winning conditions....and then give them the names of the very people they have to kill in order to win??

Thats leaving the realm of possibility and going into the realm of completely ridiculous

[Eloth]

okay, if youre not even going to think about this logically, i don't see the point...
NO ALT-NAMES COULD BE USED, OBVIOUSLY.
just think of it like capa barsavi's message in the lamora game.

anyway, fuck it, this was just idle speculation, it's not hugely likely to exist, im just trying to think of a way to account for the strange deaths of two scum on night one