[Aptorian]

DurhangAddict, on Jul 5 2009, 07:06 PM, said:

Illuyankas, on Jul 5 2009, 01:04 PM, said:

WRONG

[citation needed]

I don't know if anyone is going to dig up the information, but it is a well known fact that they do this. It's that whole survival of the fittest thing.

The chicken doesn't even need to be broken or bleeding, there are cases where the other chickens simply smell or in some other way sense weakness and desease in another chicken and they'll kill it or run it off.

Chickens are not nice fluffy bunny rabbits.

[masan's saddle]

Aptorian, on Jul 5 2009, 05:53 PM, said:

masan's saddle, on Jul 5 2009, 06:44 PM, said:

Apt you initially say that the footage is terrible and that something should be done about it, then go off on a random comparison about cops, implying that not all chicken pluckers are evil bastards. I was just asking Brood and Sixty if they thought THE CLIP was acceptable !

That was all.

I find myself chuckling childishly at the thought of Evil chicken pluckers

That comparison is was what we in the business like to call an analogy, making a point by drawing a conclussion from a similar example.

I think the living conditions and state of the chickens health seen in the videos are terrible. You can't really tamper with that stuff, but I'm not going to get up in arms over footage from some random chicken processing plant we don't know when or where was filmed. Maybe chickens really are treated like that in every KFC place, or hopefully, that was just one unfortunant incident of evil fuckers caught on tape.

Never trust unknown video footage used to make a point by a person with an agenda.

Wow ! An analogy ! For me ! You shouldn't have it wasn't really necessary.

It would appear we are actually in agreement here, with ref to the OP about animal rights, the point I was making is that there is cruelty taking place in the clip I posted. Sixty in particular was a bit flippant in his response so I asked whether he was comfortable with the cruelty.

Again, that was all.


Yes I seem to remember something from my GCSE History about trust issues surrounding primary and secondary evidence.

[DurhangAddict]

Aptorian, on Jul 5 2009, 01:17 PM, said:

I don't know if anyone is going to dig up the information, but it is a well known fact that they do this. It's that whole survival of the fittest thing.

Should be easy to come up with a citation, then. I've only ever heard of this when they are stored in unnatural conditions.

Aptorian, on Jul 5 2009, 01:17 PM, said:

Chickens are not nice fluffy bunny rabbits.

Don't even get me started on bunny rabbits! Always tearing each other's throats out and stealing their lucky feet!

This post has been edited by DurhangAddict: 05 July 2009 - 05:22 PM

[caladanbrood]

I go by the "if you're not happy to kill it, you shouldn't eat it" theory. I would have no qualms rearing chickens and killing them to eat... I'm not gonna tuck them in at night and make sure they're all getting along well. The only difference there is really the scale of the operation.

[Aptorian]

Okay, quick search through wiki and it's sources and I found this article on raising chickens and their aggressiveness:

http://www.blpbooks.co.uk/articles/aggress...cking_order.php

It doesn't mention much about disease and weakness, just plain aggressive pecking order.

EDIT: And now I notice that Illy actually posted a link to another article on the last page, doh.

This post has been edited by Aptorian: 05 July 2009 - 05:37 PM

[Illuyankas]

You'd have seen it if you were on 40 posts a page, buddy.

[DurhangAddict]

Aptorian, on Jul 5 2009, 01:36 PM, said:

Okay, quick search through wiki and it's sources and I found this article on raising chickens and their aggressiveness:

http://www.blpbooks.co.uk/articles/aggress...cking_order.php

It doesn't mention much about disease and weakness, just plain aggressive pecking order.

EDIT: And now I notice that Illy actually posted a link to another article on the last page, doh.

Interesting reading. I guess, just like people, there's an asshole in every crowd

[Thelomen Toblerone]

I had KFC for dinner today. It was f*cking delicious. I REGRET NOTHING

[Aptorian]

I've got about 2,5 kgs of chicken hotwings lying in my freezer. This topic is making me hungry.

On another note, I nearly typed hotwangs there, and the image of that is making me giggle like a little girl.

This post has been edited by Aptorian: 05 July 2009 - 06:15 PM

[Thelomen Toblerone]

Apt, giggles like a schoolgirl at the thought of hot wangs.

This post has been edited by Thelomen Toblerone: 05 July 2009 - 06:16 PM

[chill]

You'll understand if I shed no tears for chicken's outrage at not being treated like humans. First of all, they are obviously not humans. Second, they are supposed to get eaten anyhow.
We have much bigger problems than chicken with little breathing space. This is just a waste of time and money. Although I hate KFC, McDonalds, Burger King and the like because they make a decent piece of meat taste like cardboard, I can understand why their chicken live in such conditions. Saves, space, saves money. Capitalism.

[HoosierDaddy]

Not going to watch video. KFC? Nom nom nom nom.

[DurhangAddict]

chill, on Jul 5 2009, 02:31 PM, said:

You'll understand if I shed no tears for chicken's outrage at not being treated like humans. First of all, they are obviously not humans. Second, they are supposed to get eaten anyhow.
We have much bigger problems than chicken with little breathing space. This is just a waste of time and money. Although I hate KFC, McDonalds, Burger King and the like because they make a decent piece of meat taste like cardboard, I can understand why their chicken live in such conditions. Saves, space, saves money. Capitalism.

Thanks, Captain Obvious. No one is asking for human rights for chickens. All some of us are asking for is for them not to be treated with cruelty in pursuit of the almighty dollar.

[chill]

DurhangAddict, on Jul 5 2009, 10:36 PM, said:

chill, on Jul 5 2009, 02:31 PM, said:

You'll understand if I shed no tears for chicken's outrage at not being treated like humans. First of all, they are obviously not humans. Second, they are supposed to get eaten anyhow.
We have much bigger problems than chicken with little breathing space. This is just a waste of time and money. Although I hate KFC, McDonalds, Burger King and the like because they make a decent piece of meat taste like cardboard, I can understand why their chicken live in such conditions. Saves, space, saves money. Capitalism.

Thanks, Captain Obvious. No one is asking for human rights for chickens. All some of us are asking for is for them not to be treated with cruelty in pursuit of the almighty dollar.

So, you want KFC to gently and considerately kill them?

This post has been edited by chill: 05 July 2009 - 06:44 PM

[DurhangAddict]

chill, on Jul 5 2009, 02:42 PM, said:

So, you want KFC to gently and considerately kill them?

Yes, after they let them live a life with as little suffering as possible.

[Aptorian]

Chill. You have yourself stated that you haven't watched the video, and as such don't really deserve to make derrogatory remarks about the chickens treatment at the hands of KFC. The video is appalling. Trolling for the sake of creating flames is not the purpose of the DB.

Watch the video, then you can continue to mock the evil chickens with the rest us KFC lovers.

This post has been edited by Aptorian: 05 July 2009 - 06:51 PM

[chill]

Aptorian, on Jul 5 2009, 10:49 PM, said:

Chill. You have yourself stated that you haven't watched the video, and as such don't really deserve to make derrogatory remarks about the chickens treatment at the hands of KFC. The video is appalling. Trolling for the sake of creating flames is not the purpose of the DB.

Watch the video, then you can continue to mock the evil chickens with the rest us, KFC lovers.

Ive watched the video. Yes, it is horrible. KFC obviously cares nothing for chicken's well-being (this looks like mockery, but it's not). And those workers mistreating them could be a) immature cretins or b )frustrated and underpaid.
I do NOT approve of such cruel treatment - even if I liked fast food, I would never eat it for this very reason. If you pay for their services, you approve of the way they treat animals.
But doesn't killing them qualify as cruelty as well?

[nomed]

what about throwing lobsters into boiling water? same thing to me, they're both ugly, stupid animals that i feel no compassion for, and i hate white meat.

This post has been edited by nomed: 05 July 2009 - 07:07 PM

[Aptorian]

Personally I would argue that killing and eating the chicken isn't cruel, that's a question of the food chain, survival... and delicous chicken.

The way they are raised and the life they live untill their death, how ever, is very cruel and it really shows mankinds hypocracy. We're so concerned with human rights and quality of living, but we don't really care that an entire race of beings merely exist in their billions so that they may feed us and that they suffer for those few months they exist.

[DurhangAddict]

chill, on Jul 5 2009, 03:00 PM, said:

But doesn't killing them qualify as cruelty as well?

Depends on the methods, I suppose. But this is why the preferred method of legally killing humans in the US is lethal injection, as opposed to hanging or the electric chair.