[Rashan]

Path-Shaper, on Jul 7 2009, 11:13 AM, said:

Gamelon, on Jul 7 2009, 11:12 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on Jul 7 2009, 11:11 AM, said:

Gamelon, on Jul 7 2009, 11:08 PM, said:

Korlat, on Jul 7 2009, 11:07 AM, said:

Killing someone removes their vig also.

Aye, so I say.

Gamelon said:

After all, there's no way to take a vig away aside from using it.

It could be that he thinks his leader used his (day?) vig, or that he thinks it might be stolen tonight. Main question is, how does he know/ assumes his leader has a vig? I sure don't know what mine does to earn his living.

He/she works the, aah, streets.

^ The above was a prostitute joke in bad taste. It is unrelated to the game itself.

Great, so you reveal Tapper, that selfstyled 'Lover of HHM' is my leader? Thank you kindly, the fucker sucks at merc games.

FUCKK
SORRY GUYS I JUST BROKE THE GAME.

Ok, bed for me. For real this time.

Ahahahaha

No really

Ahahahahaha

[Gamelon]

Going home now.

[Korlat]

A friend of mine has also popped over, so I'm gonna vanish for a few hours. Back later tonight though.

[Rashan]

Korlat, on Jul 7 2009, 11:19 AM, said:

Rashan, on Jul 7 2009, 07:17 PM, said:

I don't know if my leader has a vig. It was suppose to be BP.

Of course kolat will just say that I am covering. If my leader had a big I would want him to take out korlat. Especially if he has a day vig.

If your leader had a big... ? I don't want to know the next word.
Also, signalling much?

What signalling? I have said plainly that I don't buy that you are a vig that you are a killer covering.

Obviously my leader has a big swinging .

[Silanah]

I want to thank Kaschan, Korlat, Rashan, and all of the other good people involved in the last 6-8 pages for the thoroughly entertaining catch-up. If only I had some popcorn.

[Mentalist]

It is Day 2. 25 hours and 47 minutes remaining

16 Players still alive: Ampelas, Barghast, D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Galain, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Karatallid, Kaschan, Korlat, Meanas, Mockra, Rashan, Silanah, Tellan

9 votes to lynch, 8 votes to go to night

1 vote for Korlat: ( Kaschan )
2 votes for Kaschan: ( Korlat, Mockra )

Players not voted: Ampelas, Barghast, D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Galain, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Karatallid, Meanas, Rashan, Silanah, Tellan

I've got a job interview i'll be leaving for shortly. you will be modless for about 3 hours.

[Mentalist]

It is Day 2. 25 hours and 47 minutes remaining

16 Players still alive: Ampelas, Barghast, D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Galain, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Karatallid, Kaschan, Korlat, Meanas, Mockra, Rashan, Silanah, Tellan

9 votes to lynch, 8 votes to go to night

1 vote for Korlat: ( Kaschan )
2 votes for Kaschan: ( Korlat, Mockra )

Players not voted: Ampelas, Barghast, D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Galain, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Karatallid, Meanas, Rashan, Silanah, Tellan

I've got a job interview i'll be leaving for shortly. you will be modless for about 3 hours.

[Ampelas]

Oh, I voted for Kaschan, too, BTW. Post 545.

[Rashan]

Also I voted for korlat.

[Silanah]

Rashan, on Jul 7 2009, 07:46 AM, said:

See I don't buy into the whole agruement that if you aren't roled then you should just keep your head down and try to live till the end. If you can make a play and get people to reveal who aren't on your team then make that play. It is better to do that then to just hang around and get lynched on day 5 cause.

Meh, not really a good argument. Why would an RI pop his head out on Day 2, pick someone random to make a case and then drop a reveal shortly thereafter? All the RI knows is that the person isn't on his team, and the odds are less than 1-in-4 of claiming a find on someone of a specific team and having the CF back it up. I think it's pretty clear Kaschan is telling the truth about finder.

Interesting question then is why would he say that Falconer is the biggest threat to his team? Gray King faction is a threat to Basarvi not Spider. In fact, GK and Spider are opposite factions, enemy-of-my-enemy stuff.

So is Kaschan a finder Basarvi? If so, why would he pretend to be a member of a faction that lost someone and then offer himself up as a likely death target?

I'm just going to guess that Kaschan is Spider faction like he says, and thinks the Falconer is a huge threat to his faction just based on the character's power in the books, even if it's not a DIRECT faction threat, simply because the faster you eliminate enemy faction killers, the quicker you give your faction more relative killing power.

Korlat, on Jul 7 2009, 07:54 AM, said:

If I stay alive tonight, the odds are good that I will be vigged or guarded anyway. You are pushing for something that is inevitable, so why do it? The death of Kaschan, however, is not inevitable. If he's left alive, he will become a serious danger. Not like he isn't already, being able to find out faction and role. He could easily find your leader tonight and post it in the morning. Even if I targetted your leader, he still has a good chance of having a BP and thus I wouldn't be able to kill him. Damage control would be trying to kill the guy who could definatly reveal your leader to every other faction, as opposed to the guy who might still be able to target your leader but is likely to be killed or guarded anyway so can't trust his action again, even if he had one, which he doesn't.
So, are you really saying that I haven't thought about this, or are you just trying to save Kaschan's ass?

This is, of course, true for Kaschan, too. If he lives today, I suspect he'll draw all manner of night actions.

[Silanah]

Choices, choices... Korlat had an interesting point about the Spider possibly being a role that could 'find' role names, as well as a faction leader to survive night kills. Also, why would he reveal if he has another vig? Like he says, it's pretty logical to just keep quiet, find a random case to vote today, and kill off Kaschan tonight.

But then again, why did Korlat defend Liosan from Kaschan? Is Korlat a GK faction member, too? Kaschan thinks he's more likely to be GB, although I see no real basis for that. Korlat did intentionally omit the Basarvi faction when he talked about Kaschan as a faction leader, so maybe Korlat slipped there and is Basarvi, but that wouldn't back up any idea that Korlat would defend Liosan.

And why is Rashan defending anyone but himself if he and Kaschan really are Spider faction? Why take yourself from 1 dead 1 outed to 1 dead 2 outed when we already figured out it's a faction of 4 or 5.

[Galain]

Oh good God, this is fantastic! That was the most fun I've had in a Mafia game in a while, and I wasn't even involved. Okay,

:avote: Kaschan

Because if he's a finder I want him dead. And if he's a leader, I want him dead. Korlat...I don't really know what faction he's in, I don't for a second trust the one-shot vig reveal, but I think I'd rather risk my leader's BP being hit than his/her alt being revealed. And Rashan seems like a good enough bet for Spider as any. I think I've alt guessed him too.

EDIT: to clarify that I don't think Rash is acting like a leader, simly that he's probably another Spider member.

This post has been edited by Galain: 07 July 2009 - 03:53 PM

[Mentalist]

It is Day 2. 25 hours and 25 minutes remaining

16 Players still alive: Ampelas, Barghast, D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Galain, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Karatallid, Kaschan, Korlat, Meanas, Mockra, Rashan, Silanah, Tellan

9 votes to lynch, 8 votes to go to night

2 votes for Korlat: ( Kaschan, Rashan )
4 votes for Kaschan: ( Korlat, Mockra, Ampelas, Galain )

Players not voted: Barghast, D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Karatallid, Meanas, Silanah, Tellan

This post has been edited by Mentalist: 07 July 2009 - 03:53 PM

[Rashan]

@silanah I don't think that it that far fetched. It is something that I would do. Why you ask? Cause it shakes the game up. An unrolled making a play like that tosses the game on it's head. People are forced to show their hands.

I was planning something similar my self. But I like to wait till day 3 or 4 before I do it. Now I can't cause the same trick usually doesn't work twice in a game.

[Silanah]

I felt yesterday that Karat and GL were defending HP so I'll be curious to see how they vote today in regards to Kaschan since he's claiming the same faction.

Kaschan is now a known quantity and cannot be risked to keep around for my leader's sake, even if he is a hoot to read. Korlat is a less-known quantity and is probably going to get blocked at best tonight, more likely die. Rashan is... well, I dunno what to make of him other than possibly defending his leader or someone he thinks is on his injured faction.

Also, the set-up isn't clear on if minions know more than just the leader and since Kaschan says HP was Roland and not the Spider, that information is very powerful. It says Kaschan knew 3 members (including himself) of his faction at the start of the game, and maybe he knows more.

So I think there's enough there to drop a vote. At best he's the Spider and we got a leader. At worst, we got a powerful threat to our leaders removed.

Vote Kaschan

[Silanah]

Rashan, on Jul 7 2009, 08:59 AM, said:

@silanah I don't think that it that far fetched. It is something that I would do. Why you ask? Cause it shakes the game up. An unrolled making a play like that tosses the game on it's head. People are forced to show their hands.

I was planning something similar my self. But I like to wait till day 3 or 4 before I do it. Now I can't cause the same trick usually doesn't work twice in a game.

No you silly cloud man, it is a very bad idea in a merc game because it sews just as much confusion for your faction as it does the other factions. Furthermore, you are guaranteed to get killed. Why waste your lynch vote (which is part of your majority winning condition) just to try and lynch a player who may or may not be roled? I do not consider trading yourself for one person to be a good trade in a merc game because two factions benefit from it and neither one is involved in the exchange.

[Galain]

If Kaschan is to be believed, he thought his faction was thoroughly fucked by HP's death and threw caution to the wind. The fact that he was wrong doesn't make him unroled, and the fact that he claims, and claims solidly, to be roled makes him the biggest threat. Rash, your defense of him will have a whole bunch of crosshairs pointing at you once we learn his CF.

[Ampelas]

Galain, on Jul 7 2009, 04:52 PM, said:

Oh good God, this is fantastic! That was the most fun I've had in a Mafia game in a while, and I wasn't even involved. Okay,

:avote: Kaschan

Because if he's a finder I want him dead. And if he's a leader, I want him dead. Korlat...I don't really know what faction he's in, I don't for a second trust the one-shot vig reveal, but I think I'd rather risk my leader's BP being hit than his/her alt being revealed. And Rashan seems like a good enough bet for Spider as any. I think I've alt guessed him too.

EDIT: to clarify that I don't think Rash is acting like a leader, simly that he's probably another Spider member.

I think everyone alted Kaschan many pages ago.

[Korlat]

Popping in briefly. Will be in every now and then.

Silanah, on Jul 7 2009, 07:44 PM, said:

Choices, choices... Korlat had an interesting point about the Spider possibly being a role that could 'find' role names, as well as a faction leader to survive night kills. Also, why would he reveal if he has another vig? Like he says, it's pretty logical to just keep quiet, find a random case to vote today, and kill off Kaschan tonight.

But then again, why did Korlat defend Liosan from Kaschan? Is Korlat a GK faction member, too? Kaschan thinks he's more likely to be GB, although I see no real basis for that. Korlat did intentionally omit the Basarvi faction when he talked about Kaschan as a faction leader, so maybe Korlat slipped there and is Basarvi, but that wouldn't back up any idea that Korlat would defend Liosan.

And why is Rashan defending anyone but himself if he and Kaschan really are Spider faction? Why take yourself from 1 dead 1 outed to 1 dead 2 outed when we already figured out it's a faction of 4 or 5.

I defended Liosan because the enemy of my enemy is my friend... Though I might be able to get Kaschan lynched without revealing with Lios help, but then Kaschan had to go and reveal finder and Spider, so I was forced to play my hand.

Rashan, on Jul 7 2009, 07:59 PM, said:

@silanah I don't think that it that far fetched. It is something that I would do. Why you ask? Cause it shakes the game up. An unrolled making a play like that tosses the game on it's head. People are forced to show their hands.

I was planning something similar my self. But I like to wait till day 3 or 4 before I do it. Now I can't cause the same trick usually doesn't work twice in a game.

Nice little slip to say you are unroled? Bullshit. Kaschan apparently wasn't a named role and he is stupidly overpowered. You are lying. And you are next on my list, after Kaschan dies.

[Rashan]

So I shouldn't expect to wake in the morning. Killer.