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Steve Irwin to Fight the Japanese

#21 User is offline   Illuyankas 

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Posted 26 June 2009 - 11:01 PM

It's the Japanese variant of cricket, where it's a harpoon instead of a ball. Greenpeace are fielding.
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Posted 27 June 2009 - 12:25 AM

View PostIlluyankas, on Jun 27 2009, 12:01 AM, said:

It's the Japanese variant of cricket, where it's a harpoon instead of a ball. Greenpeace are fielding.


Must suck to go out LBW then....

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Posted 30 June 2009 - 03:58 PM

View PostCaptain Oblivious, on Jun 26 2009, 04:53 PM, said:

Why is hunting species to extinction ok, but someone doing non-violent interference not?



Because the "non-violent interference" ends up turning violent. Just watch an episode of Whale Wars where they talk about how they'd die for the sake of the whales and they crash into the japanese boat. Someone is going to get hurt and they have no one to blame but the eco-terrorists themselves. "By any means necessary."
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Posted 30 June 2009 - 04:19 PM

View PostArthur Dayne, on Jun 30 2009, 10:58 AM, said:

View PostCaptain Oblivious, on Jun 26 2009, 04:53 PM, said:

Why is hunting species to extinction ok, but someone doing non-violent interference not?



Because the "non-violent interference" ends up turning violent. Just watch an episode of Whale Wars where they talk about how they'd die for the sake of the whales and they crash into the japanese boat. Someone is going to get hurt and they have no one to blame but the eco-terrorists themselves. "By any means necessary."


Oh I see.

So illegal whaling is ok, but attempting to stop them isn't?

Did you know that when Japan signed the treaty regarding whaling, suddenly all of their 'whaling' fleets turned into 'research' vessels and they pull out the same number of whales per year for 'research' as they did while selling the whales? And then they sell the meat to fund their 'research' anyway?
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Posted 30 June 2009 - 04:28 PM

View PostCaptain Oblivious, on Jun 30 2009, 12:19 PM, said:

View PostArthur Dayne, on Jun 30 2009, 10:58 AM, said:

View PostCaptain Oblivious, on Jun 26 2009, 04:53 PM, said:

Why is hunting species to extinction ok, but someone doing non-violent interference not?



Because the "non-violent interference" ends up turning violent. Just watch an episode of Whale Wars where they talk about how they'd die for the sake of the whales and they crash into the japanese boat. Someone is going to get hurt and they have no one to blame but the eco-terrorists themselves. "By any means necessary."


Oh I see.

So illegal whaling is ok, but attempting to stop them isn't?

Did you know that when Japan signed the treaty regarding whaling, suddenly all of their 'whaling' fleets turned into 'research' vessels and they pull out the same number of whales per year for 'research' as they did while selling the whales? And then they sell the meat to fund their 'research' anyway?


Neither actually, but you gain no moral high ground by using violent tactics (ramming the whaling ships) that have a high probability of killing or injuring others. That's where it's wrong.
We discussed these eco-terrorist a while back and there are other ways of sabotaging a whaling ship without risking the lives of the crew. Blocking harpoons is fine, ramming isn't. You can also sneak on board while it's docked and sabotage the harpoons, break the engine before it leaves port, scare the whales away, any number of things that are far less dangerous for everyone.
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Posted 30 June 2009 - 05:48 PM

Sadly I don't agree with either. As far as i'm concerned:
Whaling = Bad.
Eco Turds = Bad.
Shows highlighting the plight of said Eco Turds = Bad.
John & Kate + 8 = Bad.
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Posted 30 June 2009 - 05:54 PM

View PostArthur Dayne, on Jun 30 2009, 12:48 PM, said:

Sadly I don't agree with either. As far as i'm concerned:
Whaling = Bad.
Eco Turds = Bad.
Shows highlighting the plight of said Eco Turds = Bad.
John & Kate + 8 = Bad.


Indeed.

But the thing is, I would rather see moron on moron violence then moron on animal violence, but maybe that is me.
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Posted 30 June 2009 - 05:57 PM

What about animal on moron violence?
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Posted 30 June 2009 - 06:09 PM

View PostIlluyankas, on Jun 30 2009, 12:57 PM, said:

What about animal on moron violence?


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Posted 30 June 2009 - 06:45 PM

I'm just curious if anyone knows - do the ecos frequently actually physically ram their boats into the whalers?

Could they maybe use Jon and kate to block the harpoons?

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Posted 30 June 2009 - 06:49 PM

View PostAbyss, on Jun 30 2009, 01:45 PM, said:

I'm just curious if anyone knows - do the ecos frequently actually physically ram their boats into the whalers?

Could they maybe use Jon and kate to block the harpoons?

- Abyss, would pay extra to watch that.


No they don't. As far as I know their general practice is to get between the jap boats and the whales, then if the Japanese boat rams them, its the japanese' fault.
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Posted 30 June 2009 - 06:56 PM

View PostZanth13, on Jun 26 2009, 12:17 PM, said:

like the planeteers only worse, instead of CPT Planet they freaking through ACID on the ships... how can that be safe


ZOMG! There's ACID in citrus fruit too! Better stop eating grapefruit and drinking orange juice! It's deadly!

They throw butyric acid at the ships. Basically, just stink bombs to make it an unpleasant environment for the whalers to work in.
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