[caladanbrood]

Today is the day for european elections, at least in the UK, and I assume in the rest of europe also.

The main issue we've had in the run up to the elections is the dissatisfaction for the major parties, which has allegedly raised support for minority parties such as the BNP and NO2EU. The following is a short film regarding the BNP as they canvass for votes in these elections. Highlights some of the reasons why, if you have a vote, you must keep people like this from getting even the tiniest bit of support.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=4nBiCymtchA

This post has been edited by caladanbrood: 04 June 2009 - 03:52 PM

[Astra]

Unfortunately, what he said in a car in the first half of the video, is very true.

[Illuyankas]

Astra, on Jun 4 2009, 06:25 PM, said:

Unfortunately, what he said in a car in the first half of the video, is very true.

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In 50 years there will be no indigenous white people

Ugh.

[Cougar]

What the hell is an indigenous white person anyway. What does indigenous mean at all anyway. Where do you draw the line, a certain date? Prior to say the 1940s/50s we had wave after wave of immigration, we are a mix of Angle, Saxon, Celt, Pict, Gael, Briton, Jutes, Franks, Normans, Jews from all over Europe plus many other nationalities and ethnicities. In the last 50 years we have seen a vast growth in non-white immigrants, the only difference is that with different coloured skin they are easier to identify and then discriminate against. Similarly the current wave of Eastern European immigration gives people easily identified targets.

If I didn't find the ideas of the BNP totally acceptable, I'd still find their policies and patronizing belief that we'll beleive any old made up shite politically unacceptable

[Mezla PigDog]

I can't watch the link. I will lose the warm fuzzy feeling I just got from writing about the stuff I love about Britain in Cougar's thread.

I went to vote. That's the HUGEST voting form I have seen! It was really nice actually. I am usually the only person in the Polling Station when I vote but this time, there was a huge family from down the street packed in and they had all their kids there and they were really excited. I have never seen people so happy about voting before.

[MTS]

Do you have the option of voting like in America? We Aussies are by law obliged to vote, which is annoying as it forces you to choose the "best" of a bad bunch.

[Mezla PigDog]

Voting is optional. I would never not vote though. After what the suffragettes went through it would be criminal. I would spoil my vote, so it is counted in the turnout! I haven't spoiled one yet but I would just vote for everyone

[beru]

its not election in norway for 99 days, but i will chose the sofa beacuse all (yes ALL not one damed ecseption) of our politicans are idiots and the entire thing is plain stupid

[Tapper]

Voting day here in the Netherlands too - and despite being politically concious and interested and being a liberalist leftie (and thus, being politically under pressure in our little oh so slightly xenophobic and somewhat fearful society) I decided not to vote.

The issue is not disappointment in politicians, politics or whatever, it is the system in which political parties group together in Europe.

Of the three parties currently in our ruling coalition, the centre democrats (christian inspired) is in cahoots with Berlusconi and his bimbos cronies, vote our equivalent of Labour and you probably end up supporting a fully communist party somewhere, vote our remaining leftist christian government party and you're voting for a political union containing a polish party that does not want to sell polish land to immigrants from whereever (but most certainly not germans!) and some other excentric if not downright discriminating views, most likely on gay rights, etc.

The opposition isn't much better. Our main conservative party is grouped with a highly liberal and innovative party - if you vote for the one here, you're certainly not ever going to vote for the other, but in Europe, they cooperate.

Our socialists are probably holding hands with old-fashioned commies, which is one bridge too far for many of us, even those who agree that Marxism is at the least theoretically fully functional. And so it continues. Until I can vote for a powerblock that is clearly defined and has a supranational program, I can't see myself vote.

[caladanbrood]

Tapper, what about Geert Wilders? He has a rather infamous reputation here, but is the only dutch politician we ever hear anything about...

[Thelomen Toblerone]

I know of 4 people who voted BNP. 2 are black. Now, I can, despite struggling with the sheer stupidity of it, envisage racist white people voting BNP. But for black people to vote for a party that refuses them membership and essentially thinks they should be "sent home" - even if home is where white people abducted and dumped them to work as slaves a couple of hundred years ago - is mind boggling to the extreme.

Further to Cougar's point, the idea of an "ethnically homogenous" nation is fanciful and ludicrous at best. If one ever existed, which is doubtful, the UK is demonstrable not one, and never really has been. If your going by "anglo-saxon", then you have to exclude most of the north (Viking ancestry) and anyone with northern relatives, anyone with celtic ancestry (so Irish, Welsh, Scottish, etc), and anyone who may have had relatives in Britain in the days of the Romans. If you go back before Anglo-saxon, then pretty much anyone past 100BC is fucked. Where's the arbitrary cut-off point?

I find it highly depressing that a party led by a man who is (unusually for the BNP) highly educated can believe in a white/black distinction when 1) the term "black" or "white" is an arbitrarily imposed label that bears little relation to actual perceived ethnic differences, 2) feels that, despite the fact there is more genetic variation is a group of chimpanzees between the entire human race, there are insuperable differences between races, and 3) believes that is is even economically or practically feasible to "send foreigners home."

[Tapper]

caladanbrood, on Jun 5 2009, 02:01 PM, said:

Tapper, what about Geert Wilders? He has a rather infamous reputation here, but is the only dutch politician we ever hear anything about...

Wilders is the lower middle class' mouthpiece, and if I go by my own prejudices, he's the kind of mouthpiece that has spittle flying around.

I'm sure you've heard of his adagium: 'muslims are ok but their religion is an intolerant, hateful, dangerous indoctrination and the Quran is Mohammed's Mein Kampf.' he's also eurosceptistical (the slogan for the European Elections was: 'a smaller Europe') and is vehemently against Turkey joining the Union.
Another of his oft-expressed views: 'the Netherlands are a christian/jewish society known for its tolerance and equality, so if you come here, you adapt to that' (never mind that historically, we weren't all that tolerant for long, long times, and certainly not of Jews (unless they were rich));

Basically, he's a child of 9/11.

Many of his other program points are in conflict:
- less taxes, but higher defense budgets and more money to the police;
- absolute freedom of speech, but far more intrusion into the private life of citizens through cameras and expansion of the police rights;
- freedom of religion but a stop on building mosques;
- more asphalt and less emphasis on eco-energy and nature preservation but heightened protection of animals.

Moreover, he isn't head of a political party. He has no party, even though he has called his movement 'The Party for Freedom' as if we have none yet .
Instead, he leads a movement - the subtle difference being of course that he has no organization and thus, no rules for it, can make the program all by himself, has no members to be held accountable by, etcetera. Not very democratic.

On the plus side, he has gotten the debate started, and everyone has been forced to admit that something is wrong in our society, or at the least, that things can be better. Moreover, contrary to what many think, he isn't a one-issue politician (although he really leans on islam-fear of his followers), nor is he a real demagogue - instead, he works very hard, keeps his followers under control, manages to slip away from pressure politically time and time again and is maneuvering smartly. It's hard not to respect him on some level, and all things considered, when you compare his views to those held in the US, he would fit into the middle of the Conservative Party, so calling him extreme right wing isn't exactly true - he just fits to the right of our political constellation.

This post has been edited by Tapper: 05 June 2009 - 01:10 PM

[Sindriss]

the election in denmark is on sunday. Not sure what I will vote, but I think it will be something that ensures more focus on the environment and protection of wildlife.

[caladanbrood]

BNP have just had their first councillor provisionally declared. Bugger

[Adjutant Stormy~]

They have democracy over there?

When did you guys abolish serfdom and slavery? Like, yesterday?

[Cougar]

Adjutant Stormy, on Jun 6 2009, 12:18 AM, said:

They have democracy over there?

When did you guys abolish serfdom and slavery? Like, yesterday?

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[Thelomen Toblerone]

I'd make a pithy comment if I knew what country you were from! *shakes fist*

Well well, 2 BNP MEPs elected, both in the north. About the only positive is that they only got in due to shockingly low turnout - Griffin only scraped the last seat by 900 votes - and in the general elections Labour are likely to have a bit of a better showing, plus the FPTP system means they've no chance.

[Urb]

There's a swedish pirate in the EU parlament.
That makes me smile

Seriously though, I would vote pirate if I had the chance. Somewhere down the line privacy laws need to be taken seriously.

[Hoods Balls]

Yepp, the Pirates got all the way to the parliament. No big surprise though for the Swedes. It's not so much about file sharing I think, rather all the new legislation that interferes with your private life. We dont need that US-inspired home security crap over here if you ask me. And 7 % of the Swedish population thought so too.

[Urb]

Is it having effect on the other parties over there in the brotherland?
I read on wikipedia that the Pirates are the third largest political party in all of sweden. Surely that mush have some serious impact?