[Emurlahn]

Hrm, back now. @Lio, I did say that I was going to be absent for a decent period, maybe not back until after deadline. Sleep + School = 15 hours or so.

I think Gamelon is a good lynch. I'm not sure if there are other viable options. *sigh*

I want to re-read, dammit. Study to do.

[Emurlahn]

Seriously? In two hours no posts?

Sorry about my sudden lack of activity, but I really am busy right now due to homework and shit like that.

And now I'm off to bed. Be back before day times out, I think...stupid time zones make it hard to be sure.

[Rashan]

Vote Gamelon

HP did a good job of a summary. One thing I would like to add, Gamelon never explained his righteous anger, and acted like it was because we weren't looking for cult. Well we hit cult , more than likely, and Im pretty sure we will again.

[Rashan]

Wow, this game is dead.

[D'riss]

So Fener was the recruiter? Seems to be the consensus. This leaves me very confused as to why he had so much support on day 3.

Lynching Gam does seem like the obvious choice for today - HP's words ring very true. That said we shouldn't be too hasty. Does anyone think there may be a back-up recruiter? Like I said before - Gam's reveal sounded pretty believable, so he's more than likely just a recruit. I would also expect there to be one or two other recruits, it definitely wouldnt hurt to start looking for them, I think the first few days deserve a good reread in light of the new information we have.

[Korvalain]

This game seems to alternate drastically between doldrums and frantic activity.

Gamelon's reveal looks now to be a desperate gambit to stop the lynch ala night 2. Why flip out over a fellow low level teammate?

Vote Gamelon

edit: cross post with d'riss. forgot to refresh the thread.

This post has been edited by Korvalain: 11 June 2009 - 11:55 AM

[Korvalain]

@ D'riss, any theories? I'll take a look at some people myself but I need to pop out for a bit.

Be back in a bit.

[Hood's Path]

D'riss, on Jun 11 2009, 04:52 AM, said:

So Fener was the recruiter? Seems to be the consensus. This leaves me very confused as to why he had so much support on day 3.

Lynching Gam does seem like the obvious choice for today - HP's words ring very true. That said we shouldn't be too hasty. Does anyone think there may be a back-up recruiter? Like I said before - Gam's reveal sounded pretty believable, so he's more than likely just a recruit. I would also expect there to be one or two other recruits, it definitely wouldnt hurt to start looking for them, I think the first few days deserve a good reread in light of the new information we have.

We will have to see what Gamelons CF is, but if it also looks like he could also have been part of cult then i can only assume that Fener was very important to cult, important enough for gamelon to stick his head out...if there were two recruiter there would be no need to try and keep fener alive.

There could very well be some kind of mechanic that passes the recruiter role onto another cult member or the second in command ive seen that a few times.

I also dont think the cult would have been able to recruit every night....they usually have limitations, like only recruiting non power roles or it takes two nights to get a recruit. So i dont think that they were able to recruit every night, well at least i hope not.

Ive been cult quite a few times and because the cult "usually wins" the mods tend to limit the cults abilities quite allot.
So i am optimistic. Especially if gamelon turns out to be lying about being a heshette tribesman....that should mean we got 2 cult members down with perhaps 2 more cult members left and hopefully non of them can recruit.

VERY optimistic i know...

[Hood's Path]

D'riss, on Jun 11 2009, 04:52 AM, said:

So Fener was the recruiter? Seems to be the consensus. This leaves me very confused as to why he had so much support on day 3.

Well he fake revealed to save his ass, why fake reveal when you can reveal the truth? only reason being he had something HUGE to hide.
It lends credence to him being cult...also the name apparently would suggest being the cult recruiter.... apparently

[Hood's Path]

Rashan, on Jun 11 2009, 04:40 AM, said:

Wow, this game is dead.

Im waiting for people to say something.....it'll end up with me posting 10 posts in a row with no reply if i have to keep posting my thoughts every time i come and take a look at whats going on

[Rashan]

I just want to throw out there, that Liosan seemingly PIing Gamelon last night was awful fishy. The whole "Well, looks like Gamelon got caught in a trap and was forced to reveal" bit wasn't that bad, however, the fact that he never made mention that Game is faking, was just very odd.

[Rashan]

Hood's Path, on Jun 11 2009, 08:19 AM, said:

Rashan, on Jun 11 2009, 04:40 AM, said:

Wow, this game is dead.

Im waiting for people to say something.....it'll end up with me posting 10 posts in a row with no reply if i have to keep posting my thoughts every time i come and take a look at whats going on

Sorry, working, but I'll try to keep the convo going as I can, what do you think about liosan?

[D'riss]

Korvalain, on Jun 11 2009, 02:10 PM, said:

@ D'riss, any theories? I'll take a look at some people myself but I need to pop out for a bit.

Be back in a bit.

Just got to the end of page three. Noone obviouly interacting Fener except Sil and Korlat. Odd statement by Korv about Fener being the leader of Hell's Angels (the bikers though), which I think is way too dependant on the preceding conversation to be any kind of signal.

Hood's Path, on Jun 11 2009, 02:14 PM, said:

D'riss, on Jun 11 2009, 04:52 AM, said:

So Fener was the recruiter? Seems to be the consensus. This leaves me very confused as to why he had so much support on day 3.

Lynching Gam does seem like the obvious choice for today - HP's words ring very true. That said we shouldn't be too hasty. Does anyone think there may be a back-up recruiter? Like I said before - Gam's reveal sounded pretty believable, so he's more than likely just a recruit. I would also expect there to be one or two other recruits, it definitely wouldnt hurt to start looking for them, I think the first few days deserve a good reread in light of the new information we have.

We will have to see what Gamelons CF is, but if it also looks like he could also have been part of cult then i can only assume that Fener was very important to cult, important enough for gamelon to stick his head out...if there were two recruiter there would be no need to try and keep fener alive.

There could very well be some kind of mechanic that passes the recruiter role onto another cult member or the second in command ive seen that a few times.

I also dont think the cult would have been able to recruit every night....they usually have limitations, like only recruiting non power roles or it takes two nights to get a recruit. So i dont think that they were able to recruit every night, well at least i hope not.

Ive been cult quite a few times and because the cult "usually wins" the mods tend to limit the cults abilities quite allot.
So i am optimistic. Especially if gamelon turns out to be lying about being a heshette tribesman....that should mean we got 2 cult members down with perhaps 2 more cult members left and hopefully non of them can recruit.

VERY optimistic i know...

Well there are a million odd ways to set up a cult, so I'm just trying to keep an open mind about it. But yes, they do in general tend to be quite heavily nerfed. Gam's defense does seem to suggest Fener was the only reasonably important cult player. Still it's possible that Gam was only given the name of the 'active' recruiter, or it was one of those x is the recruiter but the recruits are told who y is type situations. So we shouldnt completely discard the possibility of a second recruiter from the word go.

The recruitment power also getting passed down through the ranks is also fairly likely, in which case we need to go back and look for a couple of things. Like do we feel Gam was recruited early enough in the game for him to be receiving the recruitment power now? It doesnt help we lynch him and he's just a recruit, given the recruiter another night to try recruit someone.

[D'riss]

Rashan, on Jun 11 2009, 02:24 PM, said:

Hood's Path, on Jun 11 2009, 08:19 AM, said:

Rashan, on Jun 11 2009, 04:40 AM, said:

Wow, this game is dead.

Im waiting for people to say something.....it'll end up with me posting 10 posts in a row with no reply if i have to keep posting my thoughts every time i come and take a look at whats going on

Sorry, working, but I'll try to keep the convo going as I can, what do you think about liosan?

I noticed that too - it's very WIFOM though.

[Hood's Path]

Rashan, on Jun 11 2009, 05:23 AM, said:

I just want to throw out there, that Liosan seemingly PIing Gamelon last night was awful fishy. The whole "Well, looks like Gamelon got caught in a trap and was forced to reveal" bit wasn't that bad, however, the fact that he never made mention that Game is faking, was just very odd.

yea...i do think we will get quite a bit of info from the gam lynch...if he is lying about his reveal, then liosan is a decent place to look next.

[Rashan]

D'riss, on Jun 11 2009, 08:33 AM, said:

Rashan, on Jun 11 2009, 02:24 PM, said:

Hood's Path, on Jun 11 2009, 08:19 AM, said:

Rashan, on Jun 11 2009, 04:40 AM, said:

Wow, this game is dead.

Im waiting for people to say something.....it'll end up with me posting 10 posts in a row with no reply if i have to keep posting my thoughts every time i come and take a look at whats going on

Sorry, working, but I'll try to keep the convo going as I can, what do you think about liosan?

I noticed that too - it's very WIFOM though.

Yeah, I wasn't advocating switching to Lio, I just thought it funny that it never crossed Lio's mind that Game might be lying. Naive at the very least.

[Rashan]

* waves at Dibs

[Hood's Path]

D'riss, on Jun 11 2009, 05:28 AM, said:

The recruitment power also getting passed down through the ranks is also fairly likely, in which case we need to go back and look for a couple of things. Like do we feel Gam was recruited early enough in the game for him to be receiving the recruitment power now? It doesnt help we lynch him and he's just a recruit, given the recruiter another night to try recruit someone.

yea but we lynch wrong and the new recruiter recruits anyways...so...

[Korvalain]

D'riss, on Jun 11 2009, 07:52 AM, said:

So Fener was the recruiter? Seems to be the consensus. This leaves me very confused as to why he had so much support on day 3.

Lynching Gam does seem like the obvious choice for today - HP's words ring very true. That said we shouldn't be too hasty. Does anyone think there may be a back-up recruiter? Like I said before - Gam's reveal sounded pretty believable, so he's more than likely just a recruit. I would also expect there to be one or two other recruits, it definitely wouldnt hurt to start looking for them, I think the first few days deserve a good reread in light of the new information we have.

??? If Gam's reveal is believable? I thought the idea was that Gam would likely only stick his neck out was if Fener was a cult leader and Gam was recruited. Which is what you concluded...but I can't wrap my head around that sentence. If we assume Gam was recruited, how could his reveal be believable?

If Gam comes up non-cult...do we have to assume the possibility that power roles can become cult? I wouldn't think so, since Fener seemed so worried about Korlat. However, I just dont understand why Gam would wig out about a lesser team member getting lynched. He had to know Fener was important in some capacity -either as his former tribal leader or as cult leader.
If Gam comes up tribesman, my head will asplode.

[Korvalain]

Hood's Path, on Jun 11 2009, 08:58 AM, said:

D'riss, on Jun 11 2009, 05:28 AM, said:

The recruitment power also getting passed down through the ranks is also fairly likely, in which case we need to go back and look for a couple of things. Like do we feel Gam was recruited early enough in the game for him to be receiving the recruitment power now? It doesnt help we lynch him and he's just a recruit, given the recruiter another night to try recruit someone.

yea but we lynch wrong and the new recruiter recruits anyways...so...

D'riss has a point though. Do we really think Gam would become the new recruiter? If he did, he really blew it by his reveal since that guaranteed we'd look at him next. Fener was pretty much done by that point. If the recruitment power does pass on, it seems more likley it went to someone other than Gam.

edited to add: Not that I'm planning on changing my vote.

This post has been edited by Korvalain: 11 June 2009 - 01:10 PM