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#521 User is offline   Rashan 

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Posted 08 June 2009 - 04:45 PM

View PostFener, on Jun 8 2009, 12:28 PM, said:

A.Yet you dance around the fact that I'm the obvious target for today's lynch. Why would the cult risk that? They need to pick the targets that will stay alive, and my chances don't seem too great.


B.What the hell? If these are the requirements for you not voting for me one has to ask why exactly, considering the weak basis of your vote to begin with, you need such absolute proof of someone else being cult. This is more than rational tunnel vision.



A. Oh yes, you're the obvious target for the lynch. Its been so easy to get the whole 3 votes on you without getting any flack at all from any other players.

B. The only reason to pull my vote of a suspected cult member would be to put it on a very good suspect that might be the cult recruiter, and rational tunnel vision is an oxymoron.

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Posted 08 June 2009 - 04:49 PM

View PostKessobahn, on Jun 8 2009, 08:33 PM, said:

You forget, I had virtually no posts on day one due to my connection being a bitch. I defended Sil because you were lynching him for no solid reason. It was meta, if it was anything. So saying I've been pushing hard from day one is not something you can really say, cuz you don't know what I'd have done if I'd been able to access the forum.

cross with Fener.



Well then, go ahead and regale us with all the evidence that came up on day 1 for all the other people. Show us how you pointing it out would have swayed us completely to vote for someone else. After all, if it was good enough then it's probably still good enough now. The case on Sil was good for a day 1 case, and had solid reasons. Maybe one person meta'd him, but I highly doubt all of the 9 or 10 people voting for him did. And here you go claiming to be the angelic role model of purity and sense, lamenting your terrible internet and how our vile accusations would not have stood against your shining light of Damacles, proving the righteous innocence of dear Silanah, if only your ISP had not conspired against you.

What a load of shit. You would have been a piss in the wind and we'd all still have voted for Sil. If you actually had any miraculous revelations you could've brought forth, why the hell haven't you done so already?



Oh and D'riss, think we might've found your secondary priority...

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Posted 08 June 2009 - 04:52 PM

View PostKorlat, on Jun 8 2009, 12:49 PM, said:

View PostKessobahn, on Jun 8 2009, 08:33 PM, said:

You forget, I had virtually no posts on day one due to my connection being a bitch. I defended Sil because you were lynching him for no solid reason. It was meta, if it was anything. So saying I've been pushing hard from day one is not something you can really say, cuz you don't know what I'd have done if I'd been able to access the forum.

cross with Fener.



Well then, go ahead and regale us with all the evidence that came up on day 1 for all the other people. Show us how you pointing it out would have swayed us completely to vote for someone else. After all, if it was good enough then it's probably still good enough now. The case on Sil was good for a day 1 case, and had solid reasons. Maybe one person meta'd him, but I highly doubt all of the 9 or 10 people voting for him did. And here you go claiming to be the angelic role model of purity and sense, lamenting your terrible internet and how our vile accusations would not have stood against your shining light of Damacles, proving the righteous innocence of dear Silanah, if only your ISP had not conspired against you.

What a load of shit. You would have been a piss in the wind and we'd all still have voted for Sil. If you actually had any miraculous revelations you could've brought forth, why the hell haven't you done so already?



Oh and D'riss, think we might've found your secondary priority...



These are very good, if sarcastic points.

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Posted 08 June 2009 - 04:57 PM

View PostRashan, on Jun 8 2009, 06:45 PM, said:

View PostFener, on Jun 8 2009, 12:28 PM, said:

A.Yet you dance around the fact that I'm the obvious target for today's lynch. Why would the cult risk that? They need to pick the targets that will stay alive, and my chances don't seem too great.


B.What the hell? If these are the requirements for you not voting for me one has to ask why exactly, considering the weak basis of your vote to begin with, you need such absolute proof of someone else being cult. This is more than rational tunnel vision.



A. Oh yes, you're the obvious target for the lynch. Its been so easy to get the whole 3 votes on you without getting any flack at all from any other players.

B. The only reason to pull my vote of a suspected cult member would be to put it on a very good suspect that might be the cult recruiter, and rational tunnel vision is an oxymoron.


I just want to state (as I did earlier) that if the cult is nerfed by only being able to target non-power roles (which does happen) then having a guaranteed person on your team for one day might be better than a failed recruit. There's tons of WIFOM, a chance you may survive anyway and at the least you're sure to be distracting.

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Posted 08 June 2009 - 05:01 PM

View PostD'riss, on Jun 8 2009, 08:57 PM, said:

View PostRashan, on Jun 8 2009, 06:45 PM, said:

View PostFener, on Jun 8 2009, 12:28 PM, said:

A.Yet you dance around the fact that I'm the obvious target for today's lynch. Why would the cult risk that? They need to pick the targets that will stay alive, and my chances don't seem too great.


B.What the hell? If these are the requirements for you not voting for me one has to ask why exactly, considering the weak basis of your vote to begin with, you need such absolute proof of someone else being cult. This is more than rational tunnel vision.



A. Oh yes, you're the obvious target for the lynch. Its been so easy to get the whole 3 votes on you without getting any flack at all from any other players.

B. The only reason to pull my vote of a suspected cult member would be to put it on a very good suspect that might be the cult recruiter, and rational tunnel vision is an oxymoron.


I just want to state (as I did earlier) that if the cult is nerfed by only being able to target non-power roles (which does happen) then having a guaranteed person on your team for one day might be better than a failed recruit. There's tons of WIFOM, a chance you may survive anyway and at the least you're sure to be distracting.



And just the switch in allegiance means the new recruit wants the cult to win, and thus might spew out some good info, like their former faction leader, known power roles or whatever

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Posted 08 June 2009 - 06:08 PM

This thread died a slow painful death. Nearly made it to page 2. Come on people, the weekend is over!

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Posted 08 June 2009 - 06:14 PM

Well I've said pretty much everything I have to say at this point, busy getting ready for bed now. I think I will put my vote on Fener before I go to sleep.

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Posted 08 June 2009 - 06:35 PM

hmm
apologies, was away for a bit. will take a good look at the thread after lunch. '
it would seem Fener's failed lynch has become a stumbling block. a lot of people are unwilling to look elsewhere untill we are done with him. That's unfortunate.
I'll see if I can find any viable alternatives soon.

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Posted 08 June 2009 - 06:38 PM

View PostLiosan, on Jun 8 2009, 02:35 PM, said:

hmm
apologies, was away for a bit. will take a good look at the thread after lunch. '
it would seem Fener's failed lynch has become a stumbling block. a lot of people are unwilling to look elsewhere untill we are done with him. That's unfortunate.
I'll see if I can find any viable alternatives soon.


I did a full re-read, and theres not alot, tons of low posters doing nothing, Korlat likes to lead the conversations, but hasn't really made a stand either way. Kess is a big mystery, although we can all safely assume he's not on the same team as Fener. Not much.

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Posted 08 June 2009 - 06:38 PM

View PostKessobahn, on Jun 4 2009, 11:17 PM, said:

Ack, I'm late! Well, sorta...by that I mean, Ack! I wasn't first! So...whats up ya'll? I think we should lynch

vote Fener

cuz he thinks he's clever. Who's with me?

EDIT: BB code fail.


This is the first and only post of Kesso's until the end of day 2. He votes for me.

View PostKessobahn, on Jun 5 2009, 05:36 PM, said:

I agree with you Sil, I want to see Fener lynched as well. But there's no real reason for it...but then the reasons to lynch you are no less circumstantial...kinda stupid...I suppose I'm willing to hammer, but Fener is still my first choice for being a cocky bastard.

Sorry for my epic absence, almost as soon as I posted my ISP's server went down and then I didn't have time to post this morning.


Then there's a yada yada Fener should be lynched for no reason I can name post.

View PostKessobahn, on Jun 5 2009, 06:20 PM, said:

Awww, fuck it. Connection is still giving me grief, so I might as well hammer now and hope I can still see the thread later.

remove vote
vote Fener


EDIT: I'm an overtired moron who said the wrong name and crossposted with the actual hammer anyways...maybe I'll step off for a while. Play some games...grow a brain


And he points out again that he votes for me, though he never removed his original vote.

This is his contribution day 1. Strangely fixated I'd say.

View PostLiosan, on Jun 6 2009, 05:59 AM, said:

well, it would seem the night was at least eventful, judging from the scene

since PB's apparently not a cultist, and there's no other ideas out there, I say we go with his biggest suspect:

vote Fener


Then, the very beginning of day 2, Liosan in his first post of the day votes for me. His reason is ridiculously poor to say the least and very much an odd way to start the day.

View PostRuse, on Jun 6 2009, 06:15 PM, said:

View PostFener, on Jun 6 2009, 02:59 PM, said:

*snort*, that makes no sense in a merc game, Ruse.

No, I'd say my favoured target for today's lynch is Korlat as I'm quite confident he's got a power role, and I'd rather not have those around


*snort* back at you. You're confident he has a power role, like you were confident about Sil being obsessed with the king of hell.

View PostFener, on Jun 6 2009, 03:56 PM, said:

View PostD'riss, on Jun 6 2009, 04:34 PM, said:

@ Fener - what makes you so sure he has a power role?

@ Tellan - I can understand your reasoning, but HP (it's obvious enough who is behind the alt) is always away over weekends. I dont see how who is behind alt has anything to the role they might have. We definitely shouldnt forget about him though.


First because of his posting. In an inno vs evil game, the killers quite often post summaries etc to be seen to contribute and be visible while at the same time not having any impact on the game that can lead back to them. Korlat's extensive descriptions of the books were in essence the same thing. As a power role it's important that you stay alive in order to keep your faction strong, and a way to accomplish that is to hide in plain sight, like I believe Korlat was trying to do.

Then, when I brought this up his reaction said quite a bit I think. Ergo, my suspicion, if not perhaps confirmed, was at least strengthened quite a bit.

so, to get some action going

korlat


To quote someone very wise...oh, that would be you Fener - that makes no sense in a merc game.

But to throw your own argument back to you. The one who keeps on about a role must be a power player...no? I should be smelling bacon, but all I smell is something fishy.

Vote Fener


Ruse does the same, though her reasons are, if still misguided, then at least based on something.

View PostKessobahn, on Jun 7 2009, 03:50 AM, said:

So you're thinking Fener and Korlat may be related cult? Interesting...I'm off to bed and don't suspect I'll be back until post-deadline, so with that last revelation, I might as well leave a

vote for Fener

And, Ruse, I'm sorry if I was wrong to insinuate that you were accusing Fener of strawmanning, that's just what it seemed like to me.


Lo and behold, Kessobahn votes for me. If Bent can be tunnelvisioned, Kesso is obsessed with getting me lynched. He's yet to provide a reason. Any excuse is good enough to jump onto a vote on me.

Then we move to day 3.

View PostKessobahn, on Jun 8 2009, 04:46 PM, said:

View PostFener, on Jun 8 2009, 03:12 AM, said:

View PostEmurlahn, on Jun 8 2009, 08:43 AM, said:

WTF Hetan is reading the game!



It is true, I am Hetan. Beneath this rugged, manly and sexy exterior beats the heart of your divine empress


You think pig-men are sexy? *shudder's violently*

View PostGamelon, on Jun 8 2009, 09:32 AM, said:

View PostRashan, on Jun 8 2009, 07:12 AM, said:

I'm here and caught up, gotta head to work, but i'll be back in half an hour or so


Vote Fener

Because if you weren't cult before, theres a really good chance you are now.

Seriously? How does that provide any information? If Fener's telling the truth, his CF will say heshette tribesman or whatever and we won't even know if he's recruited.


If he's telling the truth then there's no harm in lynching him. Certainly it gets rid of a huge distraction. If he's lying, and i think he is, then you have to ask, who has the greatest motivation to lie? Well, the cult recruiter, the cult leader (may be the same, but we don't know for sure), or a killing role. A helpful role would be easy to reveal, as would a useless role, and so when people are pressured we wind up with a lot of both. I think Fener is using his superior knowledge of the books to pick out an obscure name that would have no ability and is using it as a smoke screen. Its working. And its a distraction to finding the real cult.

Also, at (?Meanas?) whoever said Fener would be an awful target for recruit, look at people's reluctance to vote him. All of today, he's only got two votes, and day's been dragging on for a while. Its like a lynch time out creates a PI. Nobody wants to finish the job. I for one call bullshit on the reveal and cast my vote.

vote Fener.


This is a particularly charming piece of rationale. I must be cult because I only have a few days and we're several hours into the day. As if Kesso needed a reason to vote for me in the first place.

This is what I think. I think Kesso is part of the cult. His only contribution day 1 was a vote for me. He recruited Liosan or Ruse, whom followed his lead and continued on what could easily be seen as a form of signaling. In that regard I'm thinkin Ruse is a better candidate than Liosan for the recruit. He tried to make up a reason for the vote whereas Liosan didn't even try and as such is less suspicious in my opinion.

For some reason, Kesso has decided that I am a threat. I don't know why exactly. Or perhaps he simply thought a safe place to be was to throw himself at a single player and just stay there. Little chance of antagonizing many people that way, unless you hit a leader but that's unlikely in the end. His arguments were piss poor, yet people started following his lead. With Liosan's attempt to get things going, Ruse saw the chance to follow her new master and with Kesso, one could be sure to have a sizeable enough voting block. This is a merc game. A lynch mob forms frightfully fast. There's not much of a nudge required.

Alternatively, a cult is pretty fragile early with only one player, so a symp could be part of the faction. If so, Liosan fits the bill perfectly I'd say.

In the end, my vote goes to
Kessobahn

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Posted 08 June 2009 - 06:47 PM

View PostFener, on Jun 8 2009, 02:38 PM, said:

This is what I think. I think Kesso is part of the cult. His only contribution day 1 was a vote for me. He recruited Liosan or Ruse, whom followed his lead and continued on what could easily be seen as a form of signaling. In that regard I'm thinkin Ruse is a better candidate than Liosan for the recruit. He tried to make up a reason for the vote whereas Liosan didn't even try and as such is less suspicious in my opinion.

What? This part confounds me. Wouldn't the person who blithely hopped on be the bigger suspect? =/

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Posted 08 June 2009 - 06:50 PM

View PostLiosan, on Jun 8 2009, 08:35 PM, said:

hmm
apologies, was away for a bit. will take a good look at the thread after lunch. '
it would seem Fener's failed lynch has become a stumbling block. a lot of people are unwilling to look elsewhere untill we are done with him. That's unfortunate.
I'll see if I can find any viable alternatives soon.



It's not that I'm unwilling to look elsewhere, I just think that a lot of concerns that people have raised about fener are valid. After doing the math it seems I will be around for the end of day, so I will leave my vote until then in case more info comes up or viable alternatives are presented. Good night all.

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Posted 08 June 2009 - 06:58 PM

View PostD'riss, on Jun 8 2009, 02:14 PM, said:

Well I've said pretty much everything I have to say at this point, busy getting ready for bed now. I think I will put my vote on Fener before I go to sleep.



View PostD'riss, on Jun 8 2009, 02:50 PM, said:

View PostLiosan, on Jun 8 2009, 08:35 PM, said:

hmm
apologies, was away for a bit. will take a good look at the thread after lunch. '
it would seem Fener's failed lynch has become a stumbling block. a lot of people are unwilling to look elsewhere untill we are done with him. That's unfortunate.
I'll see if I can find any viable alternatives soon.



It's not that I'm unwilling to look elsewhere, I just think that a lot of concerns that people have raised about fener are valid. After doing the math it seems I will be around for the end of day, so I will leave my vote until then in case more info comes up or viable alternatives are presented. Good night all.


Second post is kind of wishy-washy D'riss. Considering the first post. Not that I am trying to get Fener speed lynched, but that was a pretty quick change of attitude.

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Posted 08 June 2009 - 07:14 PM

View PostGamelon, on Jun 8 2009, 02:47 PM, said:

View PostFener, on Jun 8 2009, 02:38 PM, said:

This is what I think. I think Kesso is part of the cult. His only contribution day 1 was a vote for me. He recruited Liosan or Ruse, whom followed his lead and continued on what could easily be seen as a form of signaling. In that regard I'm thinkin Ruse is a better candidate than Liosan for the recruit. He tried to make up a reason for the vote whereas Liosan didn't even try and as such is less suspicious in my opinion.

What? This part confounds me. Wouldn't the person who blithely hopped on be the bigger suspect? =/



right, except I didn't "blithely hop on"
mine was the first vote on Day 2. there was little reasoning behind it, i've said a million times I've voted to try to get the game going.

the "blithely hoppers" came later.

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Posted 08 June 2009 - 07:25 PM

View PostLiosan, on Jun 8 2009, 03:14 PM, said:

View PostGamelon, on Jun 8 2009, 02:47 PM, said:

View PostFener, on Jun 8 2009, 02:38 PM, said:

This is what I think. I think Kesso is part of the cult. His only contribution day 1 was a vote for me. He recruited Liosan or Ruse, whom followed his lead and continued on what could easily be seen as a form of signaling. In that regard I'm thinkin Ruse is a better candidate than Liosan for the recruit. He tried to make up a reason for the vote whereas Liosan didn't even try and as such is less suspicious in my opinion.

What? This part confounds me. Wouldn't the person who blithely hopped on be the bigger suspect? =/



right, except I didn't "blithely hop on"
mine was the first vote on Day 2. there was little reasoning behind it, i've said a million times I've voted to try to get the game going.

the "blithely hoppers" came later.

The point still stands. I'm confused as to how someone who didn't provide reasoning is more likely to be innocent than the person who could justify it.

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Posted 08 June 2009 - 07:31 PM

if I understood him correctly, he's less suspicious of my vote, which was essentially as credible as a day 1 joke vote, than he is of the Kesso vote, because he believes Kesso's vote's based of strawmanning (that's how I interpret the "he made up the case on me" statement)

of course, i could be wrong.

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Posted 08 June 2009 - 08:12 PM

Well dammit I've had a crazy day - will try to catch up but I have more craziness to deal with. After a quick glance it looks like Fener is still the main talk - I forgot why the hell he is so I need to read up on that.

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Posted 08 June 2009 - 08:13 PM

It is Day 3. 14 hours and 7 minutes remaining

15 Players still alive: D'riss, Emurlahn, Fener, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Kessobahn, Korlat, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Rashan, Ruse, Telas, Tellan, Tennes

8 votes to lynch, 8 votes to go to night

1 vote for Liosan: ( Meanas )
1 vote for Kessobahn: ( Fener )
3 votes for Fener: ( Korlat, Rashan, Kessobahn )
1 vote for Tellan: ( Korvalain )

Players not voted: D'riss, Emurlahn, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Liosan, Ruse, Telas, Tellan, Tennes
Only someone with this much power could make this many frittatas without breaking any eggs.
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Posted 08 June 2009 - 08:47 PM

View PostTennes, on Jun 8 2009, 10:12 PM, said:

Well dammit I've had a crazy day - will try to catch up but I have more craziness to deal with. After a quick glance it looks like Fener is still the main talk - I forgot why the hell he is so I need to read up on that.


tell me when you find out, I'm sort of curious about it myself.

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Posted 08 June 2009 - 08:51 PM

View PostLiosan, on Jun 8 2009, 09:31 PM, said:

if I understood him correctly, he's less suspicious of my vote, which was essentially as credible as a day 1 joke vote, than he is of the Kesso vote, because he believes Kesso's vote's based of strawmanning (that's how I interpret the "he made up the case on me" statement)

of course, i could be wrong.


Essentially yes. You made a pretty nonsense vote at the very begining of the day. Ruse followed soon after with a weak attempt at justification. Your vote was obviously not meant to be serious whereas Ruse's was.

Kesso is being about as logical as a sober irishman. The only reason I can find for his actions are the one I presented above.

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