[Peanutbutta]

Liosan, on Jun 11 2009, 07:23 PM, said:

Le yawn

dead thread's dead.

why oh why did we lynch peanutbutta?

Because you hate me. Clearly.

[Liosan]

I maintain it was a conspiracy, to leave me no one to talk to in the evenings.

Edit: of course, saying stuff like "I've never ever been lynched Day 1" was just tempting fate.....

This post has been edited by Liosan: 12 June 2009 - 02:48 AM

[Peanutbutta]

Liosan, on Jun 11 2009, 07:47 PM, said:

I maintain it was a conspiracy, to leave me no one to talk to in the evenings.

Edit: of course, saying stuff like "I've never ever been lynched Day 1" was just tempting fate.....

I still like you. Well, some of you.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 6. 33 hours and 6 minutes remaining

10 Players still alive: D'riss, Emurlahn, Hood's Path, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Rashan, Ruse, Telas, Tennes

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night

2 votes for Telas: ( Liosan, Rashan )

Players not voted: D'riss, Emurlahn, Hood's Path, Korvalain, Meanas, Ruse, Telas, Tennes


Shame Peanut....Your not suppose to talk to the Monkey in the cages....We just make fun of them....Shame....


Also this Mod will be logging off for the night. I have no idea if anyone will be getting in to watch over this fantastically busy thread...But by now you all know the drill. If you lynch someone and no one is around then (dead person don't talk) and night started from that point (or when I get on) so get the provisional's in.

[Liosan]

*rattles his cage*


I DEMAND COMPANY!!!!!!!!!

[Korvalain]

Well, I see another anon. That you Lio? I just got back.

Rashan's got a pretty nice case there I see.

[Liosan]

yes it is me.
I'll be going to bed soon, I suppose

[Korvalain]

Ok, I like Rashan's case to some extent, except that 2nd vote makes it seem less likely. I just looked back at Telas' posts, which took all of 30 seconds since there are only half a dozen.
Not only is he barely here, but he does appear to avoid the fener issue entirely. And after the lynch, his comment makes me feel like he's trying to suggest that Fener was the main guy, so nothing to see here now, move along, move along. Didn't bother to show up for the Gamelon train. So all he has done is vote Kesso, avoid the fener case and make some comments immediately post lynch.

His activity level also might be why we have 12 hour nights every time...

[Liosan]

sigh
hopefully, people start showing up soon. I'd like there to be more activity when i get up.

[Liosan]

As for the lynch today, I've said what I think.

Telas is etiher hiding somehting (in which case, there's a decent chance of him being cult), or he's not playing the game, in which case his death will help everyone by clearing up the game before endgame.

[Emurlahn]

Oh, I see Telas as non-invis. (Just got back myself).

I don't like that latest scene. Last day of water, everyone thinks they are about to win...sounds like lynch-right or lose, to me. Of course, 'there is no info in the scenes' yadda yadda.

I also don't like Rashan right now. Sorry, but after the Fener lynch and the Gamelon lynch, coming oust straight up with a case and then people starting to follow that feels almost like you are shepherding too much. Just a gut feeling. And you came out gunning for Liosan straight away, but almost instantly dropped that...
In your defence, you voted for both Fener and Gamelon, so that's a positive.

I'm going to the gym right now, will be coming back in just over an hour, with plenty of time. ^^

[Telas]

Hmm, I feel bad about the non-activity. I saw "mini" and for some reason my brain equated that with less time commitment. I've been at a conference all week, and I'm probably taking another trip tomorrow, so I apologize if I took a space for someone who would have contributed more. (Also sorry about the nakedness.)

I guess there's some things to say in my defense now, though I am facepalming over how bad it looks that my only vote is one of the early ones on Kesso. I definitely would have voted for Game after he said he was confident that his team was nearly half the remaining players. But...the vote went kinda fast there. And if you're wondering if I'm the one causing nights to last a long time, I'd just like to say that if I had any sort of night action, night would have only ended right about now.

As for Game's CF, all I can say is the mod needs to take some lessons in articles. "THE" implies there is only one, "A" implies there could be more. I still don't understand how two people could CF as THE Mesmerist unless it was an inherited power or it's some weird grammatical rule inherent in the books. Like, "Collectively, WE are THE Mesmerist," or some shit. If that makes me cultish, then so be it, but it's a basic rule of the English language.

Also, I never said we should look away from the cult, I was just trying to understand what was going on with Fener's CF.

As I said before, it seemed strange that an important cult role would make himself so visible. But now with Game's CF, I gotta scratch my head and wonder. What if "the Mesmerist" is just a standard tag for anyone recruited (as abusive to the English language as that is)? Fener not being an important cult role actually makes a lot more sense. But that would mean the recruiter is still around - 5 nights to recruit, 2 of the recruits dead - which leaves a possible 4 cult members still around. D-Day anyone?

Unfortunately, I have no idea who the recruiter could be. Given the idea that Fener wasn't as important as we think he is, Ruse looks a little more likely, since a master voting for a grunt isn't as big of a deal, but it could just as easily be one of my quiet compatriots. Or, hell, it could have been Fener. These CFs are really annoying...

edit: spelling

This post has been edited by Telas: 12 June 2009 - 05:38 AM

[Korvalain]

Emur and Telas, by bringing up lynch right or lose and d-day... do we really think that the cult has been operating with no checks to their power included in the game mechanics? I know, WCS and all that, but I hope to heaven they haven't been able to recruit someone every single night.

It's super WIFOM, but Fener was Morgoth, and I got the impression he wanted to pull off some really fancifal right-under-their-noses type victory, which would explain his play.

I know the complexity of the game is supposed to be high...but is no one else getting more nervous about the lack of night kills? What exactly is causing this? There are a bunch of possibilities, but if lynching was meant to be the only way to move the game along, that would seem to be a big advantage for the cult. Especially if the WCS is they've been recruiting every night.

I just don't see today as D-day, it would seem too unbalanced in the end.

Edit: to add the last line

This post has been edited by Korvalain: 12 June 2009 - 05:59 AM

[Emurlahn]

It is a high-TMDI mini, it's not supposed to be this long as it is, what with the long nights and no-lynch days.

One thing that has occurred to me, is multiple factions of cults. But that would be very strange. Has anyone consistently missed night entirely? I.e. potentially the guy(s) with the NK have not been getting their kills in? Or the people with the kills only know one other person in their faction (traditional) and so don't want to risk their kills.

OR it's a poison mechanic (or similar) thus reducing the chance of lots of kills.

Most likely, those(or was it just one?) mercenaries we lynched were one or two-vig peeps, so hence they didn't want to use them and waste them, and by being lynched we made it so there were no kills in the game.

My d-day scenario is kind of based on the morning scene, but also on the WCS. Together, they make it highly likely. I'd rather it wasn't, and I honestly don't think we can play WCS scenario anyway (because then we will end up with no lynch, and that is worse, with a cult around, than a wrong lynch - because if we lynch wrong at least we tried, yes?)

[Korvalain]

I was thinking about the poison mechanic also. It seemed likely from the character descriptions that it would be a probable element in this game, but no one has died from poison.

[Emurlahn]

Indeed, which is why I think we may have got the killing characters already. Or we got a poisoner early, hence reducing the chance even further...

[Hood's Path]

Path-Shaper, on Jun 11 2009, 10:47 AM, said:

Gamelon (Sixty) is dead. He was the Mesmerist.

HAH!

[Hood's Path]

Meanas, on Jun 11 2009, 10:59 AM, said:

Rashan, on Jun 11 2009, 02:55 PM, said:

GET OFF MY PLANE!!!

funny shit there.

So two "The mesmerists" any chance thats the secondary recruiter?

That seems quite possible. Poor play by Sixty if he was though - why sacrifice himself like that if he knew he was going to take over the recruiting job when Fener bought it? Other possibility is that all the cult have their CFs changed to 'The Mesmerist'. If that's the case, we may not have found the initial recruiters...

And he likes leaving codes when he sees he is going to die, so I'm not even going to bother with what he left there.

I think fener was pretty important, no ways sixty would have stuck his neck out otherwise.
Looks to me that all cult members will just come back "mesmerist" but we wont know their rank.

Unless both fener and Gam were only recruits...wich would suck.

I think liosan is a great place to look next...

[Hood's Path]

I like the Case on Ruse, i dont think its completely inconceivable for a player to put a distancing vote on a fellow cult member.
Especially if its only a second vote which can easily be removed later on for any reason. (which is exactly what happened.)

It's even more plausible if ruse is the recruiter and is trying to distance himself from a recruit...the recruits know what he would be doing and would be cool with getting the vote.

As far as liosan voting for both game and fener.....well liosan only voted for game once it was obvious he was going to be lynched.
And your vote for fener was quite early on and you could easily have been recruited since then.
So to my mind, you could place Ruse as a potential recruiter if there are any left and liosan as a potential recruit.

As far as Telas is concerned i am willing to let him by today if he bloody contributes, i have RL issues myself and know that it DOES happen I would rather vote off someone based on evidence at hand than a random quiet player with RL issues that could very well be on my team.
I would recommend telas that if you are swamped and cant play then consider to just ask for a modkill, so that you dont become a distraction and we can carry on with the game.
I suppose you need to decide if staying in the game is going to hinder or be better for your team.

[Emurlahn]

Good thinking there, HP. Though I still dislike the three-day train-lynch thing that Rashan is kind of continuing. I mean, we can't really have highlighted the entire cult group by lynching one person, unless they were a recruiter, in which case Fener is the recruiter, ergo Ruse is not. *sigh*

Oh, and the scene of Fener's death showed that it wasn't a death at all, and that another player's eyes lit up as red (one must assume Gamelon, hence why he was called THE Mesmerist, rather than A Mesmerist). This makes me think that it was kind of a pass-on power, most probably, or they both held the position (assuming that the scene really doesn't give any clues to the mechanics, but in that case it would have to be the latter, otherwise no reason to mention the other player with red eyes, yes?).

In which case Fener was the original Mesmerist, followed by Game, and he seemed to be killed finally, though if it continues to pass on and the mods just didn't put the reference to the passing on, then we need to hit the next Mesmerist as well to eliminate the cult...but that makes it really damn hard to remove the cult, 'specially if they can recruit each night.

*sigh*

I'm over-thinking this, aren't I?