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Who is Cartheron Crust? ...and other Questions arising at the end of Deadhouse Gates

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Posted 28 May 2009 - 03:51 AM

Well then, who is Cartheron Crust? I know he is the Captain of the Ragstopper and I know he was one Kellanved's men. I remember a short mentioning of him earlier in the book but have no desire to search the 540 pages or so before his identity is disclosed by his first mate when the Ragstopper sinks in Malaz harbor.
I guess I'm hoping for anybody to have a pdf version of the books. However illegal or not that may be it would definitely be useful to have a searchable version.
Maybe we should also consider setting up a database of sorts including an account of people who are mentioned in what chapters or on what page or who have an active part in the chapter. It would probably be easily populated with content once created if everybody took the effort to glance over it after reading a chapter.

The other thing is, that I just read until the end of chapter 22 and I got close to throwing up seeing the seventh slaughtered, and then Aren's entire Army and Duiker's crucifixion.
The question I have now is that I faintly remember somebody searching for Duiker and with my second reading now I actually managed to remember the necklace he had gotten from Coltaine so I wonder, what happened to him?

Yeah, that's all for now.

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Posted 28 May 2009 - 05:01 AM

Truth, on May 27 2009, 11:51 PM, said:

The other thing is, that I just read until the end of chapter 22 and I got close to throwing up seeing the seventh slaughtered, and then Aren's entire Army and Duiker's crucifixion.
The question I have now is that I faintly remember somebody searching for Duiker and with my second reading now I actually managed to remember the necklace he had gotten from Coltaine so I wonder, what happened to him?

Ah well, at least that question is now answered at the end of the book. Apparently the people searching for him are no less than Stormy, Truth and Gesler and they find him, too. The new question that arises is who are Rudd and Irp and does Duiker return. Well I'm all the more looking forward to reading TTH since I already know it's again set in beautiful Darujhistan and that's where Baruk is..-was?...is Baruk still alive? - from.

I think I don't have the patience to read all the books again anymore.
I'm getting TTH now.

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Posted 28 May 2009 - 06:50 AM

Fixed the awesome typo in your title.

I'm a bit confused about everything you're typing. Have you read up untill RG? But you don't know the answer to any of your questions? Did you mean to post this in the DG forum?

Cartheron Crust was indeed the captain of the ragstopper. He "drowned" under Laseens rein, meaning he defected. He was a naval commander during the time of Kelanved and a part of the Family. He also spent time in the Deadhouse.

Stormy, Gesler and Truth were looking for Duiker but never find him. It is the two demons, Rudd and Irp you called them? who were sent by Baruk to find the necklace. They ressurect Duiker and he is next seen in the ending of MoI newly risen from death and broken in the process.

There is a database for Malazan Information. It's called Encyclopedia Malazica and it is a Malazan Wiki: http://encyclopediam...ca.pbworks.com/

There's spoilers in there though, so be carefull what you look up.

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Posted 28 May 2009 - 12:13 PM

Random extre info: He's also Toc's uncle.

worrywort, on 14 September 2012 - 08:07 PM, said:

I kinda love it when D'rek unleashes her nerd wrath, as I knew she would here. Sorry innocent bystanders, but someone's gotta be the kindling.

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Posted 28 May 2009 - 04:16 PM

Not to forget the brother of Urko (he's good)

...Every tale is a gift,
And the scars bourne by us both,
are easily missed,
In the distance between us.

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To be kind,
For you will find,

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Posted 28 May 2009 - 05:30 PM

Aptorian, on May 28 2009, 02:50 AM, said:

Fixed the awesome typo in your title.

Wait...what typo?

Aptorian, on May 28 2009, 02:50 AM, said:

I'm a bit confused about everything you're typing. Have you read up untill RG? But you don't know the answer to any of your questions? Did you mean to post this in the DG forum?

Yes, I have read up until RG, then I started at the beginning again.
No, I don't know the answers. I forget things.

No, I think we're supposed to post in the forum of the book to which we have read so people will now if the things the tell us are spoilers.

Aptorian, on May 28 2009, 02:50 AM, said:

Cartheron Crust was indeed the captain of the ragstopper. He "drowned" under Laseens rein, meaning he defected. He was a naval commander during the time of Kelanved and a part of the Family. He also spent time in the Deadhouse.

Does anybody know where that information is revealed? I would like to re-read.

Aptorian, on May 28 2009, 02:50 AM, said:

Stormy, Gesler and Truth were looking for Duiker but never find him. It is the two demons, Rudd and Irp you called them? who were sent by Baruk to find the necklace. They ressurect Duiker and he is next seen in the ending of MoI newly risen from death and broken in the process.

Gee. I can't even remotely remember.

Aptorian, on May 28 2009, 02:50 AM, said:

There is a database for Malazan Information. It's called Encyclopedia Malazica and it is a Malazan Wiki: http://encyclopediam...ca.pbworks.com/
There's spoilers in there though, so be carefull what you look up.

Interesting, I guess I'll wait until I've read TTH before checking it out.

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Posted 28 May 2009 - 05:48 PM

Truth, on May 28 2009, 07:30 PM, said:

Aptorian, on May 28 2009, 02:50 AM, said:

Does anybody know where that information is revealed? I would like to re-read.

Cartheron's position inside the Malazan empire is known thanks to Nok's briefing to Tavore about the Old Guard and Kellanved's Family in HoC. Still from Nok we learn that "drowning" soon became a way to disappear for the Old Guard members.
We know that Crust is still alive in DG when his name is mentioned at the end of the book. Or if you miss that,it's stated pretty clear in TBH when the 14th leaves.

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Posted 29 May 2009 - 06:23 AM

Truth, on May 28 2009, 07:30 PM, said:

Aptorian, on May 28 2009, 02:50 AM, said:

Fixed the awesome typo in your title.

Wait...what typo?

You'd written "and other questions arsing at the of Deadhouse Gates". I lol'd

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 09:36 AM

I stumbled upon this in my TTH reread:
it's chapter six's opening and it doesnt really spoil anything so I wont spoiler it...

'The miracle of hindsight is how it transforms great military geniuses of the past into incompetent idoit, and incompetent idoits of the present to great military geniuses. There is the door, and be sure to take all your pompous second-guessing delusions with you....'
Emperor Kellanved
on the occasion of the conquest of the Falari's Grand Council (the Trial of Crust)

now I didn't know what to make of it, is it that Crust actually fell out of favor before Lassen took over and was on trail for something he did, or is this about someone else entirely different (another Crust?? unlikely)

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 10:08 AM

Hmm...I don't think he fell out of favour, as he 'drowned' with the others when Laseen took over. No, Crust was Falari, so maybe Kellanved stepped in while the Council were trying Crust for something (not managing to hold off the Malazans maybe?) he did wrong or failed at in the past. The quote fits that theory, at least.

Besides, it could've just as easily been Urko, as his full name is Urko Crust.

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 12:51 PM

Mappo's Travelling Sack, on Jun 3 2009, 11:08 AM, said:

No, Crust was Falari,

Both Urko and Cartheron Crust are Napan and not Falari

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 02:19 PM

Oh, really? Sorry about that, thanks Hetan.

Umm...maybe it was sort of an 'informal empire' deal, where the council was in place at the administrative level, operating under the authority of Kellanved? Crust does something wrong, subsequent trial, then Kellanved chimes in.

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 02:49 PM

I would imagine the "on the occasion of the conquest of the Falari's Grand Council" and the "the trial of Crust" parts to mean that Crust is on trial and they are currently accusing him of something related to the conquest of the Falari's Grand Council. I would hazard that some nobleborn high-level folks in the empire felt that Crust had gone overboard in his handling of some situation and so they called a trial (this is sufficiently into the Empire's time that Falar is conquered and there are established legal procedures) wherein they went through Crust's history of heavy-handedness or some such.

The specific case would then be that they felt he was too brutal or made some grievous error whilst commanding the conquest of the Grand Council, and they think its criminal. Kellanved is then berating them for being idiots since they weren't there at the time and shouldn't second-guess the strategy that Crust came up with at the time.

worrywort, on 14 September 2012 - 08:07 PM, said:

I kinda love it when D'rek unleashes her nerd wrath, as I knew she would here. Sorry innocent bystanders, but someone's gotta be the kindling.

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 02:51 PM

Yeah, that makes much more sense.

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 03:33 PM

Yeah D'rek that's really plausible...this makes the most sense!

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 06:48 PM

I beg forgiveness for what I'm about to type... But he sounds like a Captain Kirk type. Promoted, demoted, promoted, always ignoring rules and always in ttrouble... But an amazing commander still.

And i'm truly not a Kirk "fan"

Just a passing thought....

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Posted 04 June 2009 - 08:07 PM

In TTH when

Spoiler

, but after Laseen(then Surly) offed Kellanved and Dancer(I believe that was Cotillions original name) the rest of her command structure "drowned" which turns out to be a euphanism for just plain dissapearing.

Also, could Crust be the Tower builder that first Karsa Orlong , and then Apsalar meet, I know he is one of those that knew the old emperor and then "drowned"