[Leoman of the Flails]

I searched if this has been brought up before but I didn't find anything.

What if the KCCM that were with Red Mask thought he was Seguleh? And and that's really what the KCCM's in the prologue for DoD are looking for as their Sheild Anvil and Mortal Sword?

[tiam]

its liely they know nothing about the seguleh. also why would they think that even if they did know the Seguleh as his mask is completely different. The matron is just looking for human ollowers by the looks of it

[Skywalker]

Since they know so little about humans in general, I dont expect they'll know about a particular warrior clan on a remote island holding to a tradition a few millennia old...

[foolio]

I was thinking that this isnt that crazy of a theory. The KCCM could have as hard of a time differentiating humans as humans do of differentiating KCCM. They all look like big lizards to humans.
Maybe the KCCm have had tough fights with masked humans, which is a characteristic thart would stick out in their minds, and were told to find a masked human for the MS job...

[Rahvinn]

The KKCM hung around Redmask cos he had matron scales as a mask
I doubt they were so stupid to think he was a matron, but someone who could obtain these and use the ancient weapons once used against the KKCM would be a good candidate as MS perhaps, and they stuck with Redmask until they decided he wasnt the one and chopped him to little pieces

[foolio]

can someone jar my memory and remind me what horrible secret redmask was keeping from his tribe? The old man knew it and Redmask smothered him.

This post has been edited by foolio: 14 May 2009 - 06:47 PM

[Rahvinn]

I assumed that it was because the old man knew Redmask wasn't Awl

[D'rek]

Rahvinn, on May 14 2009, 12:09 PM, said:

I assumed that it was because the old man knew Redmask wasn't Awl

Yup, he was a Letheri adopted by the Awl (which wasnt that uncommon apparently). And there might've been something with his sister or something, I forget.

[foolio]

I remember thinking during the book that Redmask was a chick, and that was the secret. Of course I was wrong but I remeber that being my theory. Had the mask on always and I think wore a breast plate of armor all the time. Oh well, wrong again. Not the first time in the series and certainly not the last.

[Obdigore]

Redmask was the 'brother' of what I assume was the true daughter of one of the chieftans.

My guess, they were going at it when she got traded for the debts.

Redmask encouraged the tribe to get it back, and probably told them they were weak old men or something else that couldn't be forgiven, and he was cast out.

The question is, was it the real redmask that returned, or someone he trained? How/Where did he learn to use the two weapons? From another tribe like the awl that may have been split off and is still at war with the KCCM? I think so!

[Sinisdar Toste]

Obdigore, on May 21 2009, 04:40 PM, said:

Redmask was the 'brother' of what I assume was the true daughter of one of the chieftans.

My guess, they were going at it when she got traded for the debts.

Redmask encouraged the tribe to get it back, and probably told them they were weak old men or something else that couldn't be forgiven, and he was cast out.

The question is, was it the real redmask that returned, or someone he trained? How/Where did he learn to use the two weapons? From another tribe like the awl that may have been split off and is still at war with the KCCM? I think so!

Why not from the KCCM themselves? they live long and would remember i think. at least Matron Acyl could

[Bauchelain the Evil]

Because I believe taht Acyl instead of training him in the use of ancien weapons would have simply made some genetic experiments or give him some strange ability as she did to the Destriant.

This post has been edited by Bauchelain the Evil: 23 May 2009 - 03:44 PM

[Sinisdar Toste]

but how would that have gone off when he tried to lead the awl? no, much better to make him a master of legendary tribal weapons, they were a big factor in people accepting his leadership

[HoosierDaddy]

I side on probably implanting memories into Redmask by the Matron. Kind of strange, though, that she would teach him how to destroy her own kind. Makes the Nah'ruk as enemies theory a little stronger.

[D'rek]

HoosierDaddy, on May 24 2009, 02:24 AM, said:

I side on probably implanting memories into Redmask by the Matron. Kind of strange, though, that she would teach him how to destroy her own kind. Makes the Nah'ruk as enemies theory a little stronger.

Well those weapons were equally effective against the Letheri in Drene, and no matter how good he was she could have sent 3 dozen KCCM at him and those weapons would not have made him win...

[bobbo]

Perhaps it was the seguleh who were influenced by the tales of masked peoples fighting legendary monsters? rather than the KCCM being influenced by them

[dawnkiller]

Re: the weapons: I seem to remember Redmask thinking about how good at the Awl arts and skills he was at one point, even mastering the ancient weapons -- I think this was shortly after the old man he killed threatened to reveal his secret. With what we learned about him later I took this to mean that he worked as hard as he could -- a Letheri-born attempting to out-Awl everyone in his tribe. It was a form of overcompensation for being both adopted and racially the enemy. IIRC there's a similar comment when Fiddler regards Koryk and thinks about how half-breeds tend to really REALLY dig into the culture they've chosen (Seti in Koryk's case); half-breeds have more to prove, and the same would hold for a displaced child. (Note: This is often truth in television.)

Anyway, as for the rest, I dunno if the KCCM were looking for the Seguleh especially (although we do know those around Morn and once in Darujhistan were waiting for an enemy -- maybe the KCCM?), but I do rather dig the mental image of a teamup between the two...

[MTS]

You know, that is a rather interesting scenario that you propose - the Seguleh teaming up with the KCCM. The Eleventh is on the loose now(presumably going back to Seguleh Island), but it could very well turn out she has a run in with the Destriant and her party. She might decide to fight, being Seguleh and all, but she can't possibly take on a Shi'Gal, 3 K'ell Hunters and a nerfed Matron in the making. It would be fun to see, I think. The Eleventh definitely fits the bill of "champion" after all, and could possibly become the MS.

[Revenant]

honestly, I can't see the 11th as the KCCM Mortal Sword. She is only the eleventh!! The KCCM are going to need someone far stronger to be their Mortal Sword.
Just look at how easily Karsa handed her ass to her in Lether.

[Trull's son]

Woahh there. The eleventh isn't JUST eleventh!! thats eleventh out of thousands!! I doubt there is anyone left in Lether after icarium and Karsa leave that could take her (Brys obviously excluded). I support the theory!