[Korvalain]

Kessobahn, on May 6 2009, 01:35 PM, said:

right, I voted right after Emu hammered (timestamp 5:44, following a crosspost orgy of 5 posts at 5:43)

so, I was slow. Mayhaps now people will think me scum, because I was one minute late to hammer, oh noes.

anyhow, need breakfast. back soon.

I dont think the fact you were late is what mattered, more the 3 or 4 posts after the code was figured out. besides, pretty sure that info cleared you.

[Korvalain]

Omtose, on May 6 2009, 01:41 PM, said:

God, Korvalain really does have some kind of summoning power. Or it's just irony or something.

Lol. Day one I figured out a partner code by Sil. Day 2 I summon. Day 3 I will pull a rabbit out of my hat. If I don't die...oooooooohhhhhhhhhh

[Gamelon]

Korvalain, on May 6 2009, 06:36 PM, said:

As to pointing out innos. Meh, Gamelon tried to do the same thing in a way by pointing out he was town roled, and see who didn't say they had town in their pm. Such is life, give the killers no nfo if you can help it, and if ou are roleless, keep your damed eyes on lynching scum and less on helping the roled players do their job. If innos lose because the roled players suck, oh well, you wont take the blame if you are roleless.

roled? i didnt imply that, i just tried to prove i was inno and catch the scum out, because i never read the opening stuff more than a glance to check times (took two days for me to realise symps took over from killers last game and five to figure out there wasnt an evil guard) so getting town in my pm seemed liek a perfect way to trick the scum and let other innos see that my pm was the same as theres. Its also the point of roleless innos to take the nk's and draw attention so that roled players survive longer, so if we lose its everyones fault, you have to help the roled players as much as you can by not being stupid and appearing scummy through recklessness or some misguided attempt at helping out. ie tappers infamous rp killer, or gem exploding last game. innos should try to play innos so they dont draw lynches, and the scum are easier to find.

[Omtose]

Korvalain, on May 6 2009, 06:43 PM, said:

Omtose, on May 6 2009, 01:41 PM, said:

God, Korvalain really does have some kind of summoning power. Or it's just irony or something.

Lol. Day one I figured out a partner code by Sil. Day 2 I summon. Day 3 I will pull a rabbit out of my hat. If I don't die...oooooooohhhhhhhhhh

Ooh burn!

[Omtose]

Gamelon, on May 6 2009, 06:43 PM, said:

Korvalain, on May 6 2009, 06:36 PM, said:

As to pointing out innos. Meh, Gamelon tried to do the same thing in a way by pointing out he was town roled, and see who didn't say they had town in their pm. Such is life, give the killers no nfo if you can help it, and if ou are roleless, keep your damed eyes on lynching scum and less on helping the roled players do their job. If innos lose because the roled players suck, oh well, you wont take the blame if you are roleless.

roled? i didnt imply that, i just tried to prove i was inno and catch the scum out, because i never read the opening stuff more than a glance to check times (took two days for me to realise symps took over from killers last game and five to figure out there wasnt an evil guard) so getting town in my pm seemed liek a perfect way to trick the scum and let other innos see that my pm was the same as theres. Its also the point of roleless innos to take the nk's and draw attention so that roled players survive longer, so if we lose its everyones fault, you have to help the roled players as much as you can by not being stupid and appearing scummy through recklessness or some misguided attempt at helping out. ie tappers infamous rp killer, or gem exploding last game. innos should try to play innos so they dont draw lynches, and the scum are easier to find.

I think the roled thing was made up in Korv's ego-inflated head, but basically you were doing a similar thing to Serc (nowhere near as blatant/bad though), i.e. trying to out innos on thread.

EDIT - gah, didn't mean you're trying to get innos killed, just that your tactic would have painted targets on innos.

This post has been edited by Omtose: 06 May 2009 - 05:46 PM

[Silanah]

Omtose, on May 6 2009, 06:46 PM, said:

Gamelon, on May 6 2009, 06:43 PM, said:

Korvalain, on May 6 2009, 06:36 PM, said:

As to pointing out innos. Meh, Gamelon tried to do the same thing in a way by pointing out he was town roled, and see who didn't say they had town in their pm. Such is life, give the killers no nfo if you can help it, and if ou are roleless, keep your damed eyes on lynching scum and less on helping the roled players do their job. If innos lose because the roled players suck, oh well, you wont take the blame if you are roleless.

roled? i didnt imply that, i just tried to prove i was inno and catch the scum out, because i never read the opening stuff more than a glance to check times (took two days for me to realise symps took over from killers last game and five to figure out there wasnt an evil guard) so getting town in my pm seemed liek a perfect way to trick the scum and let other innos see that my pm was the same as theres. Its also the point of roleless innos to take the nk's and draw attention so that roled players survive longer, so if we lose its everyones fault, you have to help the roled players as much as you can by not being stupid and appearing scummy through recklessness or some misguided attempt at helping out. ie tappers infamous rp killer, or gem exploding last game. innos should try to play innos so they dont draw lynches, and the scum are easier to find.

I think the roled thing was made up in Korv's ego-inflated head, but basically you were doing a similar thing to Serc (nowhere near as blatant/bad though), i.e. trying to out innos on thread.

EDIT - gah, didn't mean you're trying to get innos killed, just that your tactic would have painted targets on innos.

We are all targets anyway. Us roleless, we're expendable. We ARE targets. We can soak up nks, and let the better/powered players find the scum. It's how this game goes.

[Gamelon]

Omtose, on May 6 2009, 06:46 PM, said:

Gamelon, on May 6 2009, 06:43 PM, said:

Korvalain, on May 6 2009, 06:36 PM, said:

As to pointing out innos. Meh, Gamelon tried to do the same thing in a way by pointing out he was town roled, and see who didn't say they had town in their pm. Such is life, give the killers no nfo if you can help it, and if ou are roleless, keep your damed eyes on lynching scum and less on helping the roled players do their job. If innos lose because the roled players suck, oh well, you wont take the blame if you are roleless.

roled? i didnt imply that, i just tried to prove i was inno and catch the scum out, because i never read the opening stuff more than a glance to check times (took two days for me to realise symps took over from killers last game and five to figure out there wasnt an evil guard) so getting town in my pm seemed liek a perfect way to trick the scum and let other innos see that my pm was the same as theres. Its also the point of roleless innos to take the nk's and draw attention so that roled players survive longer, so if we lose its everyones fault, you have to help the roled players as much as you can by not being stupid and appearing scummy through recklessness or some misguided attempt at helping out. ie tappers infamous rp killer, or gem exploding last game. innos should try to play innos so they dont draw lynches, and the scum are easier to find.

I think the roled thing was made up in Korv's ego-inflated head, but basically you were doing a similar thing to Serc (nowhere near as blatant/bad though), i.e. trying to out innos on thread.

EDIT - gah, didn't mean you're trying to get innos killed, just that your tactic would have painted targets on innos.

not in the slightest, in fact the very opposite, i was outing myself so people could see i was on their team, if you had that line in your pm you shouldnt have brought it up as scum would not have recognised it, whereas the innos if they read their pm proiperly should have. how is me outing myself, trying to out other innos? isnt everyone supposedly inno? i didnt expect responses from innos, and as far as i know i didnt get any

[Korvalain]

Gamelon, on May 6 2009, 01:43 PM, said:

Korvalain, on May 6 2009, 06:36 PM, said:

As to pointing out innos. Meh, Gamelon tried to do the same thing in a way by pointing out he was town roled, and see who didn't say they had town in their pm. Such is life, give the killers no nfo if you can help it, and if ou are roleless, keep your damed eyes on lynching scum and less on helping the roled players do their job. If innos lose because the roled players suck, oh well, you wont take the blame if you are roleless.

roled? i didnt imply that, i just tried to prove i was inno and catch the scum out, because i never read the opening stuff more than a glance to check times (took two days for me to realise symps took over from killers last game and five to figure out there wasnt an evil guard) so getting town in my pm seemed liek a perfect way to trick the scum and let other innos see that my pm was the same as theres. Its also the point of roleless innos to take the nk's and draw attention so that roled players survive longer, so if we lose its everyones fault, you have to help the roled players as much as you can by not being stupid and appearing scummy through recklessness or some misguided attempt at helping out. ie tappers infamous rp killer, or gem exploding last game. innos should try to play innos so they dont draw lynches, and the scum are easier to find.

Sorry let me clarify, you used the word town to prove that your ROLE was inno. Now, that sucks because if the roled innos dont have the word town in there pm (ie you are the albino, you can be a white person , whatever) you catch them out and blam, killers pick them off. Make sense?

[Serc]

Call it a bad/noob move if you want (or a symp move, you seem convinced of that).

I stand behind the idea that it's worth it for town to save their big guns. Remember when the healer got random NKd the first night in the last game? Vanilla townies can die but important guys need to be cared for before they get killed.

edit: xposted

edit2: what Sil said:
"We are all targets anyway. Us roleless, we're expendable. We ARE targets. We can soak up nks, and let the better/powered players find the scum. It's how this game goes."

This post has been edited by Serc: 06 May 2009 - 05:52 PM

[Omtose]

Silanah, on May 6 2009, 06:48 PM, said:

We can soak up nks, and let the better/powered players find the scum. It's how this game goes.

I do take a bit of an issue with this, because I consider myself to be well capable of winning this game without sacrificing myself and waiting for the "better" players to win the game for me.

Yes, we can win if I die, and I'd rather we lost RIs than roled innos, but I'm sure I have more to offer this game than to just die. Don't be so reliant on the "better" players (whoever they are), because for all you know they may be the scum.

[Gamelon]

Silanah, on May 6 2009, 06:48 PM, said:

Omtose, on May 6 2009, 06:46 PM, said:

Gamelon, on May 6 2009, 06:43 PM, said:

Korvalain, on May 6 2009, 06:36 PM, said:

As to pointing out innos. Meh, Gamelon tried to do the same thing in a way by pointing out he was town roled, and see who didn't say they had town in their pm. Such is life, give the killers no nfo if you can help it, and if ou are roleless, keep your damed eyes on lynching scum and less on helping the roled players do their job. If innos lose because the roled players suck, oh well, you wont take the blame if you are roleless.

roled? i didnt imply that, i just tried to prove i was inno and catch the scum out, because i never read the opening stuff more than a glance to check times (took two days for me to realise symps took over from killers last game and five to figure out there wasnt an evil guard) so getting town in my pm seemed liek a perfect way to trick the scum and let other innos see that my pm was the same as theres. Its also the point of roleless innos to take the nk's and draw attention so that roled players survive longer, so if we lose its everyones fault, you have to help the roled players as much as you can by not being stupid and appearing scummy through recklessness or some misguided attempt at helping out. ie tappers infamous rp killer, or gem exploding last game. innos should try to play innos so they dont draw lynches, and the scum are easier to find.

I think the roled thing was made up in Korv's ego-inflated head, but basically you were doing a similar thing to Serc (nowhere near as blatant/bad though), i.e. trying to out innos on thread.

EDIT - gah, didn't mean you're trying to get innos killed, just that your tactic would have painted targets on innos.

We are all targets anyway. Us roleless, we're expendable. We ARE targets. We can soak up nks, and let the better/powered players find the scum. It's how this game goes.

now your trying to butter me up by agreeing with me, damnit i am such a sap i soak in flattery even if it its unintended or just imagined and swoon with delight!

[Gamelon]

Korvalain, on May 6 2009, 06:50 PM, said:

Gamelon, on May 6 2009, 01:43 PM, said:

Korvalain, on May 6 2009, 06:36 PM, said:

As to pointing out innos. Meh, Gamelon tried to do the same thing in a way by pointing out he was town roled, and see who didn't say they had town in their pm. Such is life, give the killers no nfo if you can help it, and if ou are roleless, keep your damed eyes on lynching scum and less on helping the roled players do their job. If innos lose because the roled players suck, oh well, you wont take the blame if you are roleless.

roled? i didnt imply that, i just tried to prove i was inno and catch the scum out, because i never read the opening stuff more than a glance to check times (took two days for me to realise symps took over from killers last game and five to figure out there wasnt an evil guard) so getting town in my pm seemed liek a perfect way to trick the scum and let other innos see that my pm was the same as theres. Its also the point of roleless innos to take the nk's and draw attention so that roled players survive longer, so if we lose its everyones fault, you have to help the roled players as much as you can by not being stupid and appearing scummy through recklessness or some misguided attempt at helping out. ie tappers infamous rp killer, or gem exploding last game. innos should try to play innos so they dont draw lynches, and the scum are easier to find.

Sorry let me clarify, you used the word town to prove that your ROLE was inno. Now, that sucks because if the roled innos dont have the word town in there pm (ie you are the albino, you can be a white person , whatever) you catch them out and blam, killers pick them off. Make sense?

to be fair, and i have reiterated this on numerous occassions, i didnt just use the word, i wrote the whole fucking sentence

[Silanah]

Korvalain, on May 6 2009, 06:50 PM, said:

Gamelon, on May 6 2009, 01:43 PM, said:

Korvalain, on May 6 2009, 06:36 PM, said:

As to pointing out innos. Meh, Gamelon tried to do the same thing in a way by pointing out he was town roled, and see who didn't say they had town in their pm. Such is life, give the killers no nfo if you can help it, and if ou are roleless, keep your damed eyes on lynching scum and less on helping the roled players do their job. If innos lose because the roled players suck, oh well, you wont take the blame if you are roleless.

roled? i didnt imply that, i just tried to prove i was inno and catch the scum out, because i never read the opening stuff more than a glance to check times (took two days for me to realise symps took over from killers last game and five to figure out there wasnt an evil guard) so getting town in my pm seemed liek a perfect way to trick the scum and let other innos see that my pm was the same as theres. Its also the point of roleless innos to take the nk's and draw attention so that roled players survive longer, so if we lose its everyones fault, you have to help the roled players as much as you can by not being stupid and appearing scummy through recklessness or some misguided attempt at helping out. ie tappers infamous rp killer, or gem exploding last game. innos should try to play innos so they dont draw lynches, and the scum are easier to find.

Sorry let me clarify, you used the word town to prove that your ROLE was inno. Now, that sucks because if the roled innos dont have the word town in there pm (ie you are the albino, you can be a white person , whatever) you catch them out and blam, killers pick them off. Make sense?

You are being pedantic and foolish; I disagree with this. There are two factions, this is a TMDI 2. The inno faction, called the town faction, and the scum faction. I suspect that the town faction would be called town regardless of role.

Omtose, on May 6 2009, 06:51 PM, said:

Silanah, on May 6 2009, 06:48 PM, said:

We can soak up nks, and let the better/powered players find the scum. It's how this game goes.

I do take a bit of an issue with this, because I consider myself to be well capable of winning this game without sacrificing myself and waiting for the "better" players to win the game for me.

Yes, we can win if I die, and I'd rather we lost RIs than roled innos, but I'm sure I have more to offer this game than to just die. Don't be so reliant on the "better" players (whoever they are), because for all you know they may be the scum.

I'm not saying you aren't a better player. I'm stating this for average/weak players, like these people trying to out roled players and arguing over terms.


And Gamelon; I'm sorry, I've just fallen so in love with your unfailing logic.

[Korvalain]

Just want to point out that Serc, you used a bad example. Because if our healer was killed day or night one, then you calling attention to Kess so he could be healed, would back fire, yet another reason to not expand on inno roles.

[Kessobahn]

i am yet to see a game where a healer made the difference (except that one time when the town almost lynched their sole finder on day 2, he had to reveal, and got healed every night after that)

but that was Mafia 18, iirc
as a general rule, healers don't do much

your suggestion of "town protecting their big guns" is ludicrous, Serc, b/c there is NO way to protect them without letting the scum know who they are

a finder isn't told "x is a guard". he is told inno/scum.
and there's no way in hell a roled inno wuld want to waste the finder's power by having them investigate themselves--unles they are really selfish and full of it.

[Serc]

Korvalain, on May 6 2009, 10:55 AM, said:

Just want to point out that Serc, you used a bad example. Because if our healer was killed day or night one, then you calling attention to Kess so he could be healed, would back fire, yet another reason to not expand on inno roles.

Well apparently I'm batting ZERO today.

[Shadow]

Serc, on May 6 2009, 10:50 AM, said:

Call it a bad/noob move if you want (or a symp move, you seem convinced of that).

I stand behind the idea that it's worth it for town to save their big guns.

... by trying to point them out in-thread?


Remove Vote

Vote Serc

Yes, I was already voting for you. But what you just said was so stupid and scummy, I want the pleasure of voting for you twice.

[Korvalain]

Gamelon, on May 6 2009, 01:53 PM, said:

Korvalain, on May 6 2009, 06:50 PM, said:

Gamelon, on May 6 2009, 01:43 PM, said:

Korvalain, on May 6 2009, 06:36 PM, said:

As to pointing out innos. Meh, Gamelon tried to do the same thing in a way by pointing out he was town roled, and see who didn't say they had town in their pm. Such is life, give the killers no nfo if you can help it, and if ou are roleless, keep your damed eyes on lynching scum and less on helping the roled players do their job. If innos lose because the roled players suck, oh well, you wont take the blame if you are roleless.

roled? i didnt imply that, i just tried to prove i was inno and catch the scum out, because i never read the opening stuff more than a glance to check times (took two days for me to realise symps took over from killers last game and five to figure out there wasnt an evil guard) so getting town in my pm seemed liek a perfect way to trick the scum and let other innos see that my pm was the same as theres. Its also the point of roleless innos to take the nk's and draw attention so that roled players survive longer, so if we lose its everyones fault, you have to help the roled players as much as you can by not being stupid and appearing scummy through recklessness or some misguided attempt at helping out. ie tappers infamous rp killer, or gem exploding last game. innos should try to play innos so they dont draw lynches, and the scum are easier to find.

Sorry let me clarify, you used the word town to prove that your ROLE was inno. Now, that sucks because if the roled innos dont have the word town in there pm (ie you are the albino, you can be a white person , whatever) you catch them out and blam, killers pick them off. Make sense?

to be fair, and i have reiterated this on numerous occassions, i didnt just use the word, i wrote the whole fucking sentence

what does that matter, so you PI yourself, so what, you caght i think 2 people in that trap you said were scum cause they didn't know what town was or some shit, for all you know they were roled innos, thats the point, not that a roleless inno can prove hes inno.

[Kessobahn]

Shadow, on May 6 2009, 01:56 PM, said:

Serc, on May 6 2009, 10:50 AM, said:

Call it a bad/noob move if you want (or a symp move, you seem convinced of that).

I stand behind the idea that it's worth it for town to save their big guns.

... by trying to point them out in-thread?


Remove Vote

Vote Serc

Yes, I was already voting for you. But what you just said was so stupid and scummy, I want the pleasure of voting for you twice.

Seriously, at this point, I really doubt Serc could be anything other than a total noob
no rational scum would try to say things like this in-thread.

[Silanah]

Kessobahn, on May 6 2009, 06:55 PM, said:

a finder isn't told "x is a guard". he is told inno/scum.
and there's no way in hell a roled inno wuld want to waste the finder's power by having them investigate themselves--unles they are really selfish and full of it.

This leads onto a point I was going to make, and made in a very roundabout way.
We had a vig last night; perhaps the evils are a little worried about that. Maybe it struck close to home or something. "Outing" a scum as a "Roled Inno" would, as you point out, make his chance of being checked by a finder lower than usual, and possibly give him a heal or two...
On this principle, I think we should lynch Serc, just in case.
Take no chances.