[Galain]

Shadow, on May 7 2009, 08:58 AM, said:

Galain, on May 6 2009, 10:53 PM, said:

If something is to come out of this mess, I'm tempted to vote Korvalain.

Look at how he was attacking Liosan and Silanah until they basically had to reveal all the info of the role PM.

Then all of a sudden he goes "lol I'm an idiot, you guys are legit, sorry I was slow to react" then attacks Tellan. This behavior is a perfect "trap" for inno roled players, he was hoping that by providing a strong opposing voice he could convince others to come out and get the confidence to support him, before turning on them.

I don't like his hyperactive vouching for Liosan.

Something just ... doesn't fit, there.

This turn-around happened when no new info appeared. He kept pushing against Liosan until him and Silanah started to say "the fuck, we said everything, and you still don't agree?", and then all of a sudded Korvalain goes "ah, ok, now I see it, lol, Tellan is scum, it's so obvious!"

I mean, if you're willing to push the "roleless inno PM wording" card to attack people (which I find quite stupid but that's not the point) at least read the posts and your role PM.

[Omtose]

Catching up.

Tellan, on May 6 2009, 09:02 PM, said:

Liosan, on May 6 2009, 05:19 AM, said:

I think we should work under the assumption that there are 2 NKs a night since it's WCS unless proved otherwise by there being only 1 for the next few nights.

It's thin, but this statement bothers me. You should never roadmap your thinking like this, but it is something scum would do to plant possibilities and false leads. It's also a non-confrontational post he can easily point back to later and say see I was right. It makes him look like he's thinking about the game and in-tune either way, especially if he knows how it's going to turn out.

Thin? It's barely there. You seem to have taken this out of context, when Liosan posted that people were discussing whether there was a vig or not, and Liosan posted this statement.

I agreed with it then and now... I don't see what your problem with it is, honestly, unless you're just fishing.

[Omtose]

Silanah, on May 6 2009, 10:44 PM, said:

Liosan, on May 6 2009, 10:43 PM, said:

Personally, I am not that suspicious of Silanah. In my experience, anyone who plays like that attracts lots of attention and it doesn't seem how a killer would play.

Where did that come from?

Yeah, that was weird.

Didn't seem to me like anyone was particularly turning any heat on Sil at this point in time.

Still catching up.

[Omtose]

Silanah, on May 6 2009, 11:18 PM, said:

myself and the boyfriend are looking for a place right at the moment

Classic.

I'm late for work and still only up to last night... must read faster.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 2 hours and 26 minutes remaining

20 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Kessobahn, Korlat, Korvalain, Liosan, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Shadow, Silanah, Tellan, Tennes

11 votes to lynch, 10 votes to go to night

1 vote for Korlat: ( Silanah )
3 votes for Serc: ( Gamelon, Ampelas, Shadow )
1 vote for Shadow: ( Ruse )
1 vote for Gamelon: ( Liosan )
3 votes for Tennes: ( Omtose, Kessobahn, Serc )
1 vote for Liosan: ( Anomandaris )
2 votes for Korvalain: ( Tellan, Galain )

Players not voted: Emurlahn, Fener, Hood's Path, Korlat, Korvalain, Mockra, Rashan, Tennes

[Omtose]

I have been waiting for Ruse to come back on and post for some time now. I'm convinced he is a symp because of his "Prince" and "Machiavelli" signal in day 1, so I wanted to see if he comes and does any symping.

Ruse, on May 7 2009, 03:32 AM, said:

Oh fer fkcs sake people! I feel like I wasted 20 minutes of my life slogging my way through that roundabout. I have to disappear for about 45 minutes, but then I'm going to come back and try to make sense of all that grabassing. The trains of thought got so convoluted, I'm not liking my chances though.

Back in a bit, hopefully with clear vision in place.

Ok, so let's see what he finds...

Ruse, on May 7 2009, 04:24 AM, said:

One thing I found interesting:

Silanah went from being suspicious to having everyone hang on her every word. Some people are still mouthing token suspicion, but for the most part everyone who was on at the time was listening and to some extent deferring to her opinions. (myself included) That's either sparkling inno coming through, or truly brilliant play.

I'm not really granted with the clear vision I'd hoped. That whole Gamelon trap/Liosan symp Tellan vague explanation Korv drunk experiment Sil gobblety gook doesn't do anything for me at all.

Diving back in to look again.

Brings up Silanah but doesn't find anything scummy. Sil hasn't really had any proper heat on him (many have said he is scummy but haven't voted), so perhaps this is Ruse's way to confirm people's suspicions that Sil is inno (or a genius, he's saying).

Ruse, on May 7 2009, 04:48 AM, said:

Ok, just a start. More to come, I promise.

Shadow, why did you use several posts to dance around this issue? Maybe it was obvious. If it wasn't, true or not, this MADE it obvious. What was your purpose here?

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No, go back further - Tellan makes mention of Liosan a while earlier.

I think he was building up and looking for an excuse to vote, without being too obvious about what he was revealing in the process.

I'm really dancing around a certain word here, I hope you know what it is - again, it's up to Tellan to make that claim. I don't want to do it for him. And if he's a faking Symp, he'll just come up as Inno anyways.

Of course, he's gone awfully quiet the past little while ...

Ok, just looking at Liosan's post list you see "and about emur" "hey emur" "what about emur" FOUR POSTS IN A ROW. Rather lame play any way you slice it.

I'm going to go back and look at some other posters stuff out of sequence to see if that changes anything. Before that however, I wont be back on for about 3 hours.

And finds reason to land on Shadow.

I have not particularly suspected Sil before now. He has been doing a lot of leading since day 2 started (which I do not find scummy), but this is pretty much all I have to go on from Ruse's posts and he's mentioning but discounting Silanah, which may be for distancing.

Perhaps I am being led up the garden path by my take on Ruse's actions. But I have to go out now and won't be back for quite a while so I will go with my interpretation of the post of a probable symp.

vote Silanah

Ruse says he'll be on again soon, but I'll be gone I'm afraid.

[Galain]

Hm, that's little time. All that talk and the votes are still all over the place.

Are we enough around to get a lynch? Of the three votes-players, I see Serc as most probably not a killer, possibly a symp. I mentioned voting him out of piss when I was reading the RI PM discussion because I thought he started it, but now I see he just said "I think you're roled inno", which is ass as an inno, but bad strategy beyond words if killer. Tennes just comes to vote and state the obvious ("In this game, I see high-posters and low-posters", well duh ), and at least that's consistent with killer play in the past, but that's more of a negative argument.

Then again I'll wait a bit, if we have 8 voters we might have 9, so maybe my first choice will become a candidate.

This post has been edited by Galain: 07 May 2009 - 07:29 AM

[Galain]

Oh, cross-post.

I let down the pressure on Silanah, during that role PM thingy, if he's a killer he really played it smooth. Then again, it's not impossible to make some good guesses at that time, the rewards is high, I should re-read it if he actually showed knowledge or just sided with the right side.

When I said he started RPing as noob, I didn't express myself well, he started RPing as a coaster. Look at all his first 10-15 posts, there's nothing there, not a nudge, not a push, not a comment, not a question. Then the light got on him (no fault of his own, ironically) and now he's all over the place, pushing, asking, leading, shit you should do from the start if it's in your nature, even if ther'es less to go with.

My point is that I feel he started to play against nature into a position of easiness, and woke up only when he realized he got the spot. That's not an inno play to me.

This post has been edited by Galain: 07 May 2009 - 07:34 AM

[Omtose]

Shit shit shit forgot to remove my vote on Tennes first.

remove vote

vote Silanah

Took me a fucking hour to read the thread

[Ruse]

Ok, obviously Shadow has slipped under everyone's radar and I don't really care for this. However, my vote hanging around there all by its lonesome isn't helping anything.

I think what Serc did was dumb, but again, not necessarily a killer move. Symp move, maybe.

One name that has slipped in and out and has been mentioned by NOONE is Anomandaris. He jumped in on Liosan, voted and disappeared. Ano has gone entirely without comment and that in and of itself is suspicious. Again though, if I vote for Ano it's doubtful that will gain any steam.

Korvalain has been vocal and all over the place, but you would think out of all that jumping back and forth he might have let something really incriminating slip. I don't see anything glaring (unless it's so obvious, I need someone to slap me) so I won't vote for him at this point.

Tennes just strikes me as a low poster who will get lynched but turn out inno, which would fit the pattern of the last couple of games.

I still have issues with Shadow and Sil. Include Anomandaris on my list, whose posts I will now go back over.

And the funniest lynch train I see up there is Kesso, Omtose and Serc voting for Tennes. I'm going to look into that as well, because that seems like a random assortment considering the play of each individual up until now.

remove vote

Started this post after PS, so I'm sure this is a cross post with somebodies.

[Ruse]

Make that a cross post with a LOT of bodies.

I just looked over Anomandaris' posts, and there's a reason he hasn't tripped anyone's wire. He's very friendly, agreeable, says he is having trouble understanding what's going on and manages not to make any waves. Joined the Driss vote late. Joined the Liosan vote when it was hot. Gives a happy pot/kettle argument when someone mentions he's lurking.

[Galain]

Ruse, on May 7 2009, 10:34 AM, said:

Korvalain has been vocal and all over the place, but you would think out of all that jumping back and forth he might have let something really incriminating slip. I don't see anything glaring (unless it's so obvious, I need someone to slap me) so I won't vote for him at this point.

I see this:

Korvalain, on May 7 2009, 02:01 AM, said:

At Kess - or whoever said using pms to uncover scum is bad...I din't Game did. Lio got caught. Sil isn't his partner, hes his symp. And this game could quicly de-volve further, by everyone not voting Liosan, just to see if we are right, if we are wrong, then vote off me tellan and gamelon in that order if you want. Stretching it out only gives scum more info. Exactly what Sil is doing.

(few posts land 8 minutes ater)

Korvalain, on May 7 2009, 02:09 AM, said:

I take it back Liosan you are inno
Tellan you have one chance to keep me from lynching you,.

I mean, WTF?

This post has been edited by Galain: 07 May 2009 - 07:45 AM

[Ruse]

An abrupt about face, but Korv has been playing rather retarded. He's been bulldogging his cases since the start, which makes him overextend. Idiocy? Or a killer? I'm not sure I can decide.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 1 hour and 32 minutes remaining

20 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Kessobahn, Korlat, Korvalain, Liosan, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Shadow, Silanah, Tellan, Tennes

11 votes to lynch, 10 votes to go to night

1 vote for Korlat: ( Silanah )
3 votes for Serc: ( Gamelon, Ampelas, Shadow )
1 vote for Gamelon: ( Liosan )
2 votes for Tennes: ( Kessobahn, Serc )
1 vote for Liosan: ( Anomandaris )
2 votes for Korvalain: ( Tellan, Galain )
1 vote for Silanah: ( Omtose )

Players not voted: Emurlahn, Fener, Hood's Path, Korlat, Korvalain, Mockra, Rashan, Ruse, Tennes

[Galain]

Ruse, on May 7 2009, 11:01 AM, said:

An abrupt about face, but Korv has been playing rather retarded. He's been bulldogging his cases since the start, which makes him overextend. Idiocy? Or a killer? I'm not sure I can decide.

I can't believe this about-face is honest. Like I said, if you're going down that path, isn't there a minimal amount of fact-checking to be done?

I can only think of a purposeful tactic, by providing such a certain discordant voice to Liosan, he drew out information. I won't go back to point what, obviously, but I read things that made me cringe. But for a scum team, it was worth a sacrifice.

Sacrifice that might not even come, did you see how he managed to not get many votes after that? He used tons of "lynch me" tricks that often work.

And for all this effort, what does he conclude? Who is he voting for, before leaving the thread?

[Ruse]

@ no one...

Well, I think that only a miracle will get us a lynch today. Which would almost be a perfect ending to this shitstorm.
I will not personally go voteless before the end of the day however. Just gotta decide.

[Mockra]

Argh. No time. FML.

Not really, but serious lack of time.

[Ruse]

Ok, I figured out the reason why the lynch train on tennes was weird (before Omtose moved).

They all put their votes on rather close to each other. Omtose at 9:19, Kesso at 10:38 and Serc at 11:16. But not one of them mentioned the other's vote or case. And I went back through their posts and there has been little to no mention from each of the three in regards to each other, over any issue at all.

A totally disassociated lynch train. I don't know what that means, but at least I figured out why it seemed odd.

[Path-Shaper]

There is 1 hour remaining people. 1 hour remaining.

[Galain]

Path-Shaper, on May 7 2009, 11:42 AM, said:

There is 1 hour remaining people. 1 hour remaining.

Care to make our votes count quadruple until then?