[Tellan]

morning all

been busy as hell dealing with my student loan (interests starts accruing tomorrow, yay!)

will be around soon, (I hope)

[Path-Shaper]

Bent here...I wont be around at all today, my work is insane. Hopefully someone will be in spoilers, to help. Sorry guys, real lifes a bitch right now.

[Tellan]

Long live tax day, huh?

[Gamelon]

With some hesitation:

vote Korlat

He made a strange move there by voting Omtose and by branding Serc as possible scum - joke or no joke, at this time, it's a bit of an aggressive thing to do, especially without adding a smilie or something. Trying to test the waters, see who of us was wanting someone to start the dance but afraid to take the initiative? I mean, we are all unsure of what to do right now - he may have assumed that with deadline approaching, any train would get some followers.

Or was this an attempt to park his vote on the most inno-looking of us all, only for it to be dismissed and therefore get him to the next day?

I don't like it all, but am still hesitant.
Normally it would deserve a vote though for scummy behavior, and while this isn't exactly normal times, I still feel I can't let it go by unnoticed, so here's mine - I'll be around for the rest of the day.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 8. 2 hours and 44 minutes remaining

8 Players still alive: Ampelas, Gamelon, Korlat, Omtose, Ruse, Serc, Shadow, Tellan

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night

1 vote for Omtose: ( Korlat )
1 vote for Korlat: (Gamelon)

Players not voted: Ampelas, Omtose, Ruse, Serc, Shadow, Tellan

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 30 April 2009 - 01:16 PM

[Shadow]

Vote Korlat

I have gone over Gamelon, Tellan and Korlat. This is somewhat of a negative evidence argument, but my vote goes to Korlat because Gamelon and Tellan's posts, and posting styles before and after Mockra, didn't reveal anything overtly suspicious to me. Lots of things where you can go 'oh, well, maybe', but at the same time, you can totally see innos saying the same things. With Korlat (here's the negative evidence part), there's nothing, until he comes on earlier today jabbing away when he's finally come under closer scrutiny. So yeah, that's my vote.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 8. 2 hours and 40 minutes remaining

8 Players still alive: Ampelas, Gamelon, Korlat, Omtose, Ruse, Serc, Shadow, Tellan

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night

2 votes for Korlat: ( Gamelon, Shadow )
1 vote for Omtose: ( Korlat )

Players not voted: Ampelas, Omtose, Ruse, Serc, Tellan

[Omtose]

I've just arrived at work and I'm looking stuff over. Does anyone have a direction the want to go in? We're running out of time here and need to start looking at doing something difinitive. I don't think we should dismiss the people who said they were going to ask to be modkilled number one because they didn't and numner two just because you want to be mod killed doesn't mean you're inno. So far everyone who has been modkilled has come up inno, which is shitty for team inno to say the least. I know at least one of them could have been a symp, but I think it's far more likely that one of the two remaining Korlat or Tellan were symp or scum. I have alt guessed Tellan and I know he's telling the truth about his RL situation, so I'm willing to say he's inno. Maybe I should be a bit more merciless than that and say he could be scum hiding behind the RL situation but I don't think he is. If I'm wrong and that is what he's doing I am going to be pissed beyond belief but I don't think it's the case. Korlat on the other hand has had very little plausible excuse. I don't like the fact that he placed a vote on me with nothing to go with but a gut feeling at this point. Why not state you think I'm scum go try to drum up a case see what people have to say and then make your decision. The whole thing seems pretty scummy to me. It didn't take him long to make that statement and then place the vote. I'm pretty sure we're dealing with more than one killer still, or at least a killer and a symp. I'm guessing Korlat is one of them and he's trying to apply pressure to either flush the guard out or hope that he can cause some confusion to allow his partner to operate.

If we have nothing to go one in the next little bit I'm wondering what we think about asking the guard to reveal? We've narrowed the possible suspect list a bit, and knowing who they've blocked may be of help at this point. It's just a thought, because if they go during the night we are going to lose some valuable info.

[Shadow]

Omtose, on Apr 30 2009, 02:22 PM, said:

I've just arrived at work and I'm looking stuff over. Does anyone have a direction the want to go in? We're running out of time here and need to start looking at doing something difinitive. I don't think we should dismiss the people who said they were going to ask to be modkilled number one because they didn't and numner two just because you want to be mod killed doesn't mean you're inno. So far everyone who has been modkilled has come up inno, which is shitty for team inno to say the least. I know at least one of them could have been a symp, but I think it's far more likely that one of the two remaining Korlat or Tellan were symp or scum. I have alt guessed Tellan and I know he's telling the truth about his RL situation, so I'm willing to say he's inno. Maybe I should be a bit more merciless than that and say he could be scum hiding behind the RL situation but I don't think he is. If I'm wrong and that is what he's doing I am going to be pissed beyond belief but I don't think it's the case. Korlat on the other hand has had very little plausible excuse. I don't like the fact that he placed a vote on me with nothing to go with but a gut feeling at this point. Why not state you think I'm scum go try to drum up a case see what people have to say and then make your decision. The whole thing seems pretty scummy to me. It didn't take him long to make that statement and then place the vote. I'm pretty sure we're dealing with more than one killer still, or at least a killer and a symp. I'm guessing Korlat is one of them and he's trying to apply pressure to either flush the guard out or hope that he can cause some confusion to allow his partner to operate.

If we have nothing to go one in the next little bit I'm wondering what we think about asking the guard to reveal? We've narrowed the possible suspect list a bit, and knowing who they've blocked may be of help at this point. It's just a thought, because if they go during the night we are going to lose some valuable info.

When I said this, I got shot down by Serc But I guess Omtose has more credibility than me. What do people think? Gamelon, you said you're around....

[Ruse]

I'm here, catching up real quick.

[Tellan]

Omtose, on Apr 30 2009, 09:22 AM, said:

I've just arrived at work and I'm looking stuff over. Does anyone have a direction the want to go in? We're running out of time here and need to start looking at doing something difinitive. I don't think we should dismiss the people who said they were going to ask to be modkilled number one because they didn't and numner two just because you want to be mod killed doesn't mean you're inno. So far everyone who has been modkilled has come up inno, which is shitty for team inno to say the least. I know at least one of them could have been a symp, but I think it's far more likely that one of the two remaining Korlat or Tellan were symp or scum. I have alt guessed Tellan and I know he's telling the truth about his RL situation, so I'm willing to say he's inno. Maybe I should be a bit more merciless than that and say he could be scum hiding behind the RL situation but I don't think he is. If I'm wrong and that is what he's doing I am going to be pissed beyond belief but I don't think it's the case. Korlat on the other hand has had very little plausible excuse. I don't like the fact that he placed a vote on me with nothing to go with but a gut feeling at this point. Why not state you think I'm scum go try to drum up a case see what people have to say and then make your decision. The whole thing seems pretty scummy to me. It didn't take him long to make that statement and then place the vote. I'm pretty sure we're dealing with more than one killer still, or at least a killer and a symp. I'm guessing Korlat is one of them and he's trying to apply pressure to either flush the guard out or hope that he can cause some confusion to allow his partner to operate.

If we have nothing to go one in the next little bit I'm wondering what we think about asking the guard to reveal? We've narrowed the possible suspect list a bit, and knowing who they've blocked may be of help at this point. It's just a thought, because if they go during the night we are going to lose some valuable info.

you if you feel that Korlat's trying to flush out the guard (because he's the killer), you should vote Korlat, imho
if we have 2 more killers (and we should always assume WCS), no point to have a guard reveal before we are down to one killer--guard's our strongest tool right now, if he lives that long.

[Gamelon]

Shadow, on Apr 30 2009, 06:25 AM, said:

Omtose, on Apr 30 2009, 02:22 PM, said:

I've just arrived at work and I'm looking stuff over. Does anyone have a direction the want to go in? We're running out of time here and need to start looking at doing something difinitive. I don't think we should dismiss the people who said they were going to ask to be modkilled number one because they didn't and numner two just because you want to be mod killed doesn't mean you're inno. So far everyone who has been modkilled has come up inno, which is shitty for team inno to say the least. I know at least one of them could have been a symp, but I think it's far more likely that one of the two remaining Korlat or Tellan were symp or scum. I have alt guessed Tellan and I know he's telling the truth about his RL situation, so I'm willing to say he's inno. Maybe I should be a bit more merciless than that and say he could be scum hiding behind the RL situation but I don't think he is. If I'm wrong and that is what he's doing I am going to be pissed beyond belief but I don't think it's the case. Korlat on the other hand has had very little plausible excuse. I don't like the fact that he placed a vote on me with nothing to go with but a gut feeling at this point. Why not state you think I'm scum go try to drum up a case see what people have to say and then make your decision. The whole thing seems pretty scummy to me. It didn't take him long to make that statement and then place the vote. I'm pretty sure we're dealing with more than one killer still, or at least a killer and a symp. I'm guessing Korlat is one of them and he's trying to apply pressure to either flush the guard out or hope that he can cause some confusion to allow his partner to operate.

If we have nothing to go one in the next little bit I'm wondering what we think about asking the guard to reveal? We've narrowed the possible suspect list a bit, and knowing who they've blocked may be of help at this point. It's just a thought, because if they go during the night we are going to lose some valuable info.

When I said this, I got shot down by Serc But I guess Omtose has more credibility than me. What do people think? Gamelon, you said you're around....

If we want him to reveal to use his results, we should keep in mind that it only makes sense for the guard to reveal if we're more or less certain that we have just one killer remaining - actually, the day after we're more or less certain so that he can CI someone along with him. I don't think we're safe to assume there's just 1 killer right now (definately not in the worst case scenario), so I would urge caution. With a revealed guard, we also open ourselves up to the chances of a killer with-holding his kill to get an inno lynched, and if we don't get scum today that might be a very real option for tomorrow (edit: this does not make sense if there are 2 killers - but it might put us on the wrong foot, too, making us assume there's only 1). The only other reason I can see is that it CI's someone, namely the guard - but right now, my advice would be for him to stay hidden as our trump card.

However, in the end, it is always up to the guard.

This post has been edited by Gamelon: 30 April 2009 - 01:37 PM

[Omtose]

Tellan, on Apr 30 2009, 07:33 AM, said:

Omtose, on Apr 30 2009, 09:22 AM, said:

I've just arrived at work and I'm looking stuff over. Does anyone have a direction the want to go in? We're running out of time here and need to start looking at doing something difinitive. I don't think we should dismiss the people who said they were going to ask to be modkilled number one because they didn't and numner two just because you want to be mod killed doesn't mean you're inno. So far everyone who has been modkilled has come up inno, which is shitty for team inno to say the least. I know at least one of them could have been a symp, but I think it's far more likely that one of the two remaining Korlat or Tellan were symp or scum. I have alt guessed Tellan and I know he's telling the truth about his RL situation, so I'm willing to say he's inno. Maybe I should be a bit more merciless than that and say he could be scum hiding behind the RL situation but I don't think he is. If I'm wrong and that is what he's doing I am going to be pissed beyond belief but I don't think it's the case. Korlat on the other hand has had very little plausible excuse. I don't like the fact that he placed a vote on me with nothing to go with but a gut feeling at this point. Why not state you think I'm scum go try to drum up a case see what people have to say and then make your decision. The whole thing seems pretty scummy to me. It didn't take him long to make that statement and then place the vote. I'm pretty sure we're dealing with more than one killer still, or at least a killer and a symp. I'm guessing Korlat is one of them and he's trying to apply pressure to either flush the guard out or hope that he can cause some confusion to allow his partner to operate.

If we have nothing to go one in the next little bit I'm wondering what we think about asking the guard to reveal? We've narrowed the possible suspect list a bit, and knowing who they've blocked may be of help at this point. It's just a thought, because if they go during the night we are going to lose some valuable info.

you if you feel that Korlat's trying to flush out the guard (because he's the killer), you should vote Korlat, imho
if we have 2 more killers (and we should always assume WCS), no point to have a guard reveal before we are down to one killer--guard's our strongest tool right now, if he lives that long.

That's the problem if he doesn't live that long we have no block and we lose all of the info. If we know the guard info we can vote for a lynch based on evidence, he can let us know who he's going to block. If we still come up with a death at night we can partly assume the blocked person is inno. It could potentially clear another person, which would narrow things down even more.

[Tellan]

it's a risk either way.

but if he doesn't reveal now, at least the killer's also gonna be kept guessing.

[Ruse]

I put a little pressure on Korlat because I found it odd the way he showed up today. He doesn't even address the "gut" case on Omtose or when I called him out on the D-day slip. Instead, he just places his vote down and says he won't be back.

[Gamelon]

Tellan, on Apr 30 2009, 06:36 AM, said:

it's a risk either way.

but if he doesn't reveal now, at least the killer's also gonna be kept guessing.

yup.

[Omtose]

Ruse, on Apr 30 2009, 07:37 AM, said:

I put a little pressure on Korlat because I found it odd the way he showed up today. He doesn't even address the "gut" case on Omtose or when I called him out on the D-day slip. Instead, he just places his vote down and says he won't be back.

I have no problem with voting Korlat, I've already said his case is bullshit. We just need to give the guard a chance to get the night provisional in. Is there anyone else we think is possible scum. I would like to hear people's thoughts on Shadow? I still don't like him but I don't know if I'm being blinded by personal bias. I would like some opinions.

[Ruse]

Wow I got cross-posted all over. I'm not in favor of the guard revealing today, although he should pick his target with a lot of thought.

[Tellan]

Case on Shadow (the gist of it) appears to be that he's been, what? active and helpful?

not the strongest bit of evidence.
arg, I need to do a slow re-read once i' back from banking.

[Omtose]

Tellan, on Apr 30 2009, 07:42 AM, said:

Case on Shadow (the gist of it) appears to be that he's been, what? active and helpful?

not the strongest bit of evidence.
arg, I need to do a slow re-read once i' back from banking.

No the case on shadow is that he was pointing fingers at anyone and everyone without ever making a case. He got called on it and now has become overly helpful, gone from not knowing what to do to being really sure of himself. He also came up with and pushed the case on Emur, after it was suggested we look at Emur by Tennes. It also bothers me that he has tried to cast suspicion my way on more than one occasion including yesterday by trying to tie me to Tennes. Today though he says he's sure I'm inno. It makes no sense.